2018 United States Open

[BiggErn]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

Disagree. Finau and Berger played a MUCH different course than DJ did today.

 

It’s not the same for every guy in the field.

 

If Finau or Berger win this it is only because they sucked bad enough Thursday and Friday to be the early group Saturday. They can thank the USGA for putting them in contention.

 

Is that not the case with many PGA tournaments?

 

The morning conditions are far different than the afternoon?

 

Still, I was just having fun. There is a problem with these conditions.

 

Difficult is difficult, and the US Open should be difficult.

 

But the line is crossed when players are continuously punished after making a good shot,

 

I'm not a Chamblee fan, but he made an interesting point that these greens of the old world are not designed to accommodate the level of difficulty desired by the USGA.

 

 

What side are you even on? Chamblee was right about the greens. That doesn’t excuse taking the course to the absolute edge for the first group on Saturday without considering that the course would change throughout the day. Like you said it plays the same for most pga tour events with easier early times and tougher scoring in the afternoon except they don’t become virtually unplayable.

 

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

Disagree. Finau and Berger played a MUCH different course than DJ did today.

 

It’s not the same for every guy in the field.

 

If Finau or Berger win this it is only because they sucked bad enough Thursday and Friday to be the early group Saturday. They can thank the USGA for putting them in contention.

 

You know there is luck of the draw in every tourney right?

 

Playing early Saturday had nothing to do with a draw.

[aabcuue]

Which is the Shinnecock Hills signature hole? I can't find it...

 

Your not looking in the right places.

11th Hill Head par3 159

ex small green

Trevino -shortest par5

 

16th Shinnecock par5 616

clubhouse as backdrop

Most photographed hole

 

18th Home par4 485

well known & famous hole

clubhouse backdrop

[A.Princey]

I think they will have 7-8 easy pins Sunday and the rest will be "better" than Saturday. They've protected par well enough through 3 days, why not let loose on day 4? I doubt easier pins will result in many more birdies in the end. Less doubles and triples though.

[aabcuue]

Will be interesting to see how long these rounds take.

 

long, rl long

1st tee 1st group 2:20 to reach 9th

 

10th tee 1st group 2:50 to reach 18th.

 

Last group, was 10th tee finished in basically dark @ 8:44pm

[aabcuue]

Trackman in front and to the left of tee box?

 

No in back & center on 14th and other holes. Impossible to miss orange flat box on 6ft tripod behind tee.

[aabcuue]

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the asterisk next to the hole number on the leader board represent?

 

usually group teed off on 10th tee not 1st.

[Smash Factors]

What side are you even on? Chamblee was right about the greens. That doesn’t excuse taking the course to the absolute edge for the first group on Saturday without considering that the course would change throughout the day. Like you said it plays the same for most pga tour events with easier early times and tougher scoring in the afternoon except they don’t become virtually unplayable.

 

It's a two way street buddy. The conditions are unfair, but it's unfair for everyone.

[rangersgoalie]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

[scratchswinger]

Love the course and conditions. A few holes were cut too close to the edge 14,15,18. But I’ll take over par anyway at a US Open oppressed to -5.

[aabcuue]

I hate this golf course.

 

Another old pre WW2 course that was built with greens meant to be played at 8 or 9 on the stimp and they put them at 12 +. Retarded.

 

They made the greens far more severe back then as a counter for the fact the grass was kept significantly longer. The architects must be rolling over in their graves seeing this idiocy.

I love it. They actually made the course easier than it was the last time it was played as far as the greens and #7 is concerned. The players whined quite a bit but its nice to see a course bring these guys to their knees. Who wants to see -15 in a major every year?

 

I like the fact this course exposes the greatest players in the world. They have the best equipment and are in better shape, yet they cannot conquer this beast. I love it

 

fairways are 10+yds wider.

some areas are 40yds wide.

 

changed/ added intermediate less severe penalities when shot misses. Instead of rolling into a bunker into collection area.

[BiggErn]

What side are you even on? Chamblee was right about the greens. That doesn’t excuse taking the course to the absolute edge for the first group on Saturday without considering that the course would change throughout the day. Like you said it plays the same for most pga tour events with easier early times and tougher scoring in the afternoon except they don’t become virtually unplayable.

 

It's a two way street buddy. The conditions are unfair, but it's unfair for everyone.

 

 

Yea that excuse is so played out. The USGA even said the conditions weren’t the same for everyone on top of that. And to reiterate the luck of the draw had nothing to do with tee times Saturday.

[wmblake2000]

I also prefer what happened today to DJ being 20 shots ahead going into Sunday.

[grm24]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

[BiggErn]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

There’s a difference in just having different course conditions and unplayable conditions.

[SilverBullets]

What side are you even on? Chamblee was right about the greens. That doesn’t excuse taking the course to the absolute edge for the first group on Saturday without considering that the course would change throughout the day. Like you said it plays the same for most pga tour events with easier early times and tougher scoring in the afternoon except they don’t become virtually unplayable.

 

It's a two way street buddy. The conditions are unfair, but it's unfair for everyone.

 

Actually it wasn’t unfair for everyone. Mike Davis said so himself. The course in the morning and the course in the afternoon played completely different. The greens got too dry due to the unaccounted for winds. The greens deteriorated, and sped up, as the day went on. The USGA should have put more water on the course overnight/this AM or pushed pin placements further off ridges so afternoon groups also had a chance to approach those flags.

 

The problem is, the setup was pushed to the limit this morning with some of pins as close to ridges as they could get. As the greens sped up, the pins became less and less playable because the speed was too great for the slope. This is what Azinger and Mike Davis were referring to as the ‘greens shrink’ when it gets faster. The faster the green the less sloped it can be. So when the USGA setup the course in the morning and they pushed the pin placements to the edge, they made a huge error not accounting for the wind and lack of moisture to speed up greens. By the afternoon the greens were quick enough to make those pins no longer playable.

 

To get the course to play the way they intended, many of the pins needed to be moved 2-3 paces over (specifically holes 14, 15 and 18 were really bad... I didn’t see much of the front so I can’t comment there)

[imakaveli]

USGA always delivers ???

[BiggErn]

USGA always delivers

 

Mike Davis tap dancing says all we need to know. He knows he screwed it up and someone will answer for it.

[deadsolid...shank]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

There’s a difference in just having different course conditions and unplayable conditions.

 

Rose and Stenson put up respectable numbers. It wasn't unplayable. Brutally difficult no doubt, several shots harder than earlier, but not unplayable.

[BiggErn]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

There’s a difference in just having different course conditions and unplayable conditions.

 

Rose and Stenson put up respectable numbers. It wasn't unplayable. Brutally difficult no doubt, several shots harder than earlier, but not unplayable.

 

 

Guess you didn’t listen to Stenson’s post round interview

[jmvargas]

low amateur fight will be exciting as the 3 left are at -11, -12 and -13....

 

.....anyone know why ricky fowler played so poorly today??

[rangersgoalie]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

Yup, I got the bad end of it many times......this, from the safety of my couch looked pretty extreme though. I've never understood killing greens basically to produce supposed championship tests. Played quite a few times in Australia, and amazing how many times we played on the fastest greens I ever played, and they rolled true, and did not look like they were dead

[grm24]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

There’s a difference in just having different course conditions and unplayable conditions.

Shinnecock wasn't unplayable Saturday afternoon. If it was why did DJ play it at even par in the most difficult conditions Saturday from holes 9-17? If it was so unplayable why was it that only Phil made an A-hole out of himself by concocting the worst excuse ever for his screw up on 13? It's replies like yours that make me realize that so many people here have no clue. <golfclap>

[Mick Douglas]

When the best player in the world said he played well, misses only 5 greens and 3 fairways but shoots 7 OVER their are serious issues with the course conditions.

[Golfnuck]

Simple solution ...... fired Mike Davis immediately.

[Golfnuck]

Complain all ya want about how ridiculous and unplayable the course is.

 

It's the same for every guy in the field.

 

He who hits the ball through the clowns mouth in the least number of strokes walks away with the giant lolly pop.

 

Welcome to the US Open.

 

According to the guys who shot the low scores today early, it wasn't the same for everyone....by a lot apparently

It's nothing new. You've been on tour. There has never been a golf tournament where the conditions were exactly the same for all players. Whether it's the course conditions, weather, time when you teed off, proximity to the lead, course conditions later in the day, etc.

 

While Finau and Berger played great how many others shot bad scores with the same conditions? Daniel Berger shot 66 Saturday while his playing partner Kevin Chappell shot 78. Finau shot 66. His playing partner Peter Uihlein shot 75. Scorecard doesn't lie. All of that without cheating and hitting a moving ball.

 

There’s a difference in just having different course conditions and unplayable conditions.

Shinnecock wasn't unplayable Saturday afternoon. If it was why did DJ play it at even par in the most difficult conditions Saturday from holes 9-17? If it was so unplayable why was it that only Phil made an A-hole out of himself by concocting the worst excuse ever for his screw up on 13? It's replies like yours that make me realize that so many people here have no clue. <golfclap>

 

Quotes from Mike Davis .......

 

"We want the U.S. Open to be tough, but this afternoon was too tough," said Mike Davis, CEO of the USGA. "It was a tale of two courses. Their were some aspects of this set-up that well-hit shots were not rewarded but penalized." - Golf Digest

 

“There were some aspects today where well-executed shots were not rewarded. We missed it with the wind,” Davis said. “We don’t want that. The firmness was OK but it was too much with the wind we had. It was probably too tough this afternoon – a tale of two courses.” - Golf Channel

[JonnyKrasnodar]

Well that was a tough watch. Wonder how easy they'll make it today?

[mosesgolf]

IMO, any pin placement that brings a 3 putt into the picture from 3 feet is asinine. Any pin placement that allows balls to roll off the greens from a missed put is also asinine. USGA setups are often times (too often) asinine.

[OldTomMorris]

This tournament could have been great as its a truly fantastic venue.

[paulshack]

This tournament could have been great as its a truly fantastic venue.

 

Man you sure your not watching reruns of us open at pebble again

[aabcuue]

I hate this golf course.

 

Another old pre WW2 course that was built with greens meant to be played at 8 or 9 on the stimp and they put them at 12 +. Retarded.

 

They made the greens far more severe back then as a counter for the fact the grass was kept significantly longer. The architects must be rolling over in their graves seeing this idiocy.

 

really? And Augusta's greens are not severe? The reason why it's playing as hard because the wind has picked up and making these guys uncomfortable. Many golden age course are defenseless thanks to the aerial game. This course is awesome.

 

Yes. Absolutely. Augusta’s speed is stupid as well. The guys have just learned to play them well because they go back every year.

 

And Oakmont. And pinehurst number 2, etc,etc,

 

My relatives belong to Aronomink. Beautiful old Donlad Ross design near Philly. Absolute travesty that they play those greens at 12. Flat out stupid. And the members love it because no guest can go there and score well because they are nearly impossible the first time you play them. It’s a caddy only course so at least you get professional help.

 

If a course was built pre 1940 it should never be played with greens faster than 10. It was not designed for it.

 

Well, we'll find soon enough how Aronomink

does later this Sept.

 

Aronomink is now substituting for round3 of FedEx Playoffs -BMW Championships.