Maltby TS2

[Popeye64]

Someone asked about the weight of the Pure Track shaft being excessive. It got me to thinking about how or why I'm stuck between two putters. 

In the battle to find a putter for the season I have two that have risen above anything else. Thier makeup is quite different. One stock Queen Bee and the PTM-5. The PTM-5 has the Pure Track shaft. So the weight is drastically different. Yet I seemingly putt just as well with either. 

Weighing both shows the the PTM-5 was at 718g vs 547g. A stark difference. 

So I checked the balance points and funny enough they are almost identical. There is a difference in face balance though. The Queen Bee is a toe hang vs the face balanced PTM-5. 

Why I can switch so easily between the two does baffle me. I've always been a blade style putter player and have begrudgingly gone to a mallet style. The look and especially the Copper finish of the Queen Bee is RIGHT up my alley. 

So right up until I play my first round this season I'll continue on my little putting green. 

I roll both putters several times a day and my made putts with both putters is identical. Though my heart says Queen Bee, I'm gonna fight with the decision till the end. 

[ChaosTheory]

1 hour ago, TallGuy90 said:

I have STi2 currently. I have grown to like them more but it’s always a love hate relationship with them. 

 

 

I'm talking about the STi, not the STi2.  The STi are just like the KE4 Max.

[TallGuy90]

30 minutes ago, Snowman9000 said:

 

 

I'm talking about the STi, not the STi2.  The STi are just like the KE4 Max.

Yea I was eyeing the STi OS but haven’t had any luck in eBay 

[AutomationGolfer]

8 hours ago, Mako J said:

Do they have the Score shafts? My PTMs with Score shafts will “creak” every now and then. 

Yes I do have Score LT shafts in them. It kind of feels like a creak or crack in the hosel, it feels weird though when you transition and get this feeling and sound up the shaft

[Mako J]

2 hours ago, AutomationGolfer said:

Yes I do have Score LT shafts in them. It kind of feels like a creak or crack in the hosel, it feels weird though when you transition and get this feeling and sound up the shaft

I agree. Unsettling at first. I’ve been playing the PTMs off and on for a year now with no problems. Just occasional creaking.😄

[Popeye64]

Update on the KE4 TC FW 14°. Distance wise it's exactly what I hoped for. Steady 250y. The KE4 4W at 16° has always been 235y. I play the 3w almost an inch longer. 

I was hesitant to ad the 14° because I was sure that the distance gain was going ro be minimal. It's a lot more than minimal. Using the liteweight driver shaft makes the 3W just as easy to play as the 4W. My TS-2 4i is good for 215 so now the top of my bag is well covered. 

I don't carry a hybrid as the 4i Is plenty long enough and the 4W is very easy to layoff and sneak a 220 shot in there with control.  

Can't wait for the weather to turn so I can play my first round of the year. 

[Colej]

I just put together a KE4 TC tour 4 wood with a xcaliber Avalon 7. Brand new CPX grip. I can’t wait to hit it tomorrow! Feels fantastic waggling it and the new grip is pretty sweet as well. I could see going to these grips on all my clubs. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by Colej

[Nels55]

I have hit a few balls on skytrak and played a couple of rounds with my new KE4 14 deg 3 wood with Aerotech SS75 shaft at 43.5".  I tend to launch it a little low off of the turf but I have not lost a ball with it yet.  As a matter of fact it seems to hit the ball incredibly straight regardless of how thin or otherwise mis-hit the shot is.  I ordered another SS75 shaft to put in my driver based on how straight the ball is going.  LOL don't know if that will help but chicken soup I guess.  I am hitting the club in the 220 to 230 yard range with around a 14 deg launch which is okay though possibly I would be better off with a 4 wood.  Anyway it does seem to fill the gap between driver and 3 hybrid in bag and I am happy with it especially compared to the other 3 woods that I have...

[rbrdmkr]

Nice looking  Xcaliber shafts in the fairway’s can anyone review the classic line that is on sale right now at 50% off. Thanks

[Colej]

5 minutes ago, rbrdmkr said:

Nice looking  Xcaliber shafts in the fairway’s can anyone review the classic line that is on sale right now at 50% off. Thanks

Great mid to mid/high flying shaft. If you can find the flex available they are worth the buy. 

[Popeye64]

Built a Max Milled 56 1.05 for a customer. I did get permission to hit it first.... 

First off the M Series and the Max Milled have the same exact offset in the hosel leading edge area. It's just that the black color hid it well. 

In my back yard and super sketchy turf..... this wedge is extremely forgiving. Even chunked a few on purpose and damn if it didn't seem to matter much. That extended sole keeps the leading edge moving, rather than digging in. 

Hit clean, these are extremely soft feeling. I know some of you can't seem to get over the hosel transition but I don't notice it myself. 

[ode]

From the pics on GW site the 1.05 does not appear to have the same amount of curve transitioning from hosel to leading edge as the .90.

 

[Popeye64]

24 minutes ago, ode said:

From the pics on GW site the 1.05 does not appear to have the same amount of curve transitioning from hosel to leading edge as the .90.

 

You guys need to stop worrying about the curve and just hit them. It's a great wedge. 

[Gdashoff]

So would these be an upgrade over the old M+ wedges? I still have a 56/62 with the Maltby pro shaft that I play.  I like to take my eye completely off the ball and chunk wedge shots a few times a round but I don't think any wedge will fix that issue.

[Popeye64]

9 minutes ago, Gdashoff said:

So would these be an upgrade over the old M+ wedges? I still have a 56/62 with the Maltby pro shaft that I play.  I like to take my eye completely off the ball and chunk wedge shots a few times a round but I don't think any wedge will fix that issue.

In a way yes they are an upgrade for several reason. If your M Series are still fairly fresh then no. 

A big thing is they are bendable.  M Series are not. They are softer feeling when striking the ball. M Series can feel a bit clunky at times but they are quute a bit harder. Though the grooves should last longer being a harder metal. They have a certain level of weight adjustment. They have a shorter hosel with a little better weight distribution. Scoring lines are much longer which will help on a toe strike. All else is pretty equal. 

So yes they certainly are an upgrade but you could wait until your wedges wear out. 

[ode]

3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

You guys need to stop worrying about the curve and just hit them. It's a great wedge. 

True but past experience tells me if the offset looks bad (to my eye) and that specific element of the offset, it's no bueno for me....it's distracting, off-putting!  And I'm no snob either, have played clubs with a little/moderate offset no problem, big chunky CB's, etc.  These would be right up my alley with the sole width and sole relief upgrade from the M+.  I'll likely snag a 1.05 at some point and give it a go!

 

 

 

[Colej]

3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

In a way yes they are an upgrade for several reason. If your M Series are still fairly fresh then no. 

A big thing is they are bendable.  M Series are not. They are softer feeling when striking the ball. M Series can feel a bit clunky at times but they are quute a bit harder. Though the grooves should last longer being a harder metal. They have a certain level of weight adjustment. They have a shorter hosel with a little better weight distribution. Scoring lines are much longer which will help on a toe strike. All else is pretty equal. 

So yes they certainly are an upgrade but you could wait until your wedges wear out. 

I tried to bend a MG tour grind and that didn’t work out so good. It snapped real quick!!!!

[achappy]

Someone posted pictures on the Golfworks site.  I believe the issue is the .90 versions appear to have the front leading edge either cut down or something to create that odd transition in the hosel.  The 1.05 58* that was posted looks great but you can easily see it on the 54*.

 

So it seems that if you are someone who would be bothered by that transition (i.e. me) you need to go with the 1.05 versions and hope the lower lofted .90s aren't as bad.

[Popeye64]

14 minutes ago, achappy said:

Someone posted pictures on the Golfworks site.  I believe the issue is the .90 versions appear to have the front leading edge either cut down or something to create that odd transition in the hosel.  The 1.05 58* that was posted looks great but you can easily see it on the 54*.

 

So it seems that if you are someone who would be bothered by that transition (i.e. me) you need to go with the 1.05 versions and hope the lower lofted .90s aren't as bad.

Its the same exact profile as the M Series + and now you guys have a huge issue with the head..... seriously??? Wtf

[achappy]

58 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Its the same exact profile as the M Series + and now you guys have a huge issue with the head..... seriously??? Wtf

 

I'm sorry, I never had the M Series + but I did have the original M Series (and I believe the + were identical). These are NOT the same profile.  The M Series did not have that weird hosel transition.  I played a 52 and a 58* for two years.

 

And even if they are identical, for those who didn't play the M+ these have a weird transition.  I know you are a big Golfworks fan, but it's OK to be critical of certain elements as this will help them hopefully improve.

[Colej]

1 hour ago, Popeye64 said:

Its the same exact profile as the M Series + and now you guys have a huge issue with the head..... seriously??? Wtf

I’ll post some pictures compared to the TSW and it’s got a little bit of that going on as well. Just not as pronounced. 
 

either way it’s a great head and shouldn’t hold someone back from trying one. 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Colej

[Colej]

[azgreg]

The old M Series Promilled wedges were my favorite ones.

 

[Therty]

Potential for an updated TS1 at some point in 2022, TS1-IM alluded to by Britt in the golfworks forums

[Cwebb]

12 hours ago, achappy said:

 

I'm sorry, I never had the M Series + but I did have the original M Series (and I believe the + were identical). These are NOT the same profile.  The M Series did not have that weird hosel transition.  I played a 52 and a 58* for two years.

 

And even if they are identical, for those who didn't play the M+ these have a weird transition.  I know you are a big Golfworks fan, but it's OK to be critical of certain elements as this will help them hopefully improve.

It makes me wonder if they reduced their cost of the head molds, by having 56* heads adjusted to 54* and 52* heads adjusted to 50* at the factory....which would increase the offset by about .75mm and decrease the bounce by 2*.

 

I know they did this with their TSW wedges, where they have 3 molds used to make 6 lofts.  On these they show it in the specs for the offset.

[Mako J]

Anybody get some on course time with the Max wedges yet?

 

I’m thinking 54 in the 1.05 since I don’t manipulate the face much and typically use it for 3/4 to full swings and bump and runs around the green. I’ve got a TSW and while I love it around the green, I’m not confident enough with it on full swings as I’m too steep and it’ll dig on me.
 

I’m then thinking 56 in the .90, bent to 58+. Hopefully the .90 will still allow for some face opening and the additional bounce should help my usual fat miss. 
 

My course is usually firm and tight. What do you guys think? 

[blarkin97]

13 hours ago, Mako J said:

Anybody get some on course time with the Max wedges yet?

 

I’m thinking 54 in the 1.05 since I don’t manipulate the face much and typically use it for 3/4 to full swings and bump and runs around the green. I’ve got a TSW and while I love it around the green, I’m not confident enough with it on full swings as I’m too steep and it’ll dig on me.
 

I’m then thinking 56 in the .90, bent to 58+. Hopefully the .90 will still allow for some face opening and the additional bounce should help my usual fat miss. 
 

My course is usually firm and tight. What do you guys think? 

I will be getting out this weekend with my 54 / 60.  I have hit some flops in my garage with the 60 1.05 and it was easier than I thought it would be to open it up without the leading edge getting too crazy

[Popeye64]

13 hours ago, Mako J said:

Anybody get some on course time with the Max wedges yet?

 

I’m thinking 54 in the 1.05 since I don’t manipulate the face much and typically use it for 3/4 to full swings and bump and runs around the green. I’ve got a TSW and while I love it around the green, I’m not confident enough with it on full swings as I’m too steep and it’ll dig on me.
 

I’m then thinking 56 in the .90, bent to 58+. Hopefully the .90 will still allow for some face opening and the additional bounce should help my usual fat miss. 
 

My course is usually firm and tight. What do you guys think? 

I did play nine holes with mine and the first thought is they just glide through the turf. It was a limited sample but first real impression was great. I was able to mindlessly hit them. 

[Fellaheen51]

2 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

I did play nine holes with mine and the first thought is they just glide through the turf. It was a limited sample but first real impression was great. I was able to mindlessly hit them. 

 

Ha!  I'm all about "mindless" golf with no-brainer clubs.  With that endorsement, figured it was time to place the order for a 58* Max.  Done.  Get one built for when the cold weather and snow finally ends.  Sometime in June.  

[Paintman]

56°, Nippon 1050 stiff, Star wrap. Spinner trick. Love it !