Taylormade M5 & M6 Woods - Pics added page 46

[BearQ]

They look ok, but havnt seen any gains in at least 3 prolly more like 5 yrs and $500 is just way too much to have something different

 

If any the mizuno looks best so far

 

Distance jumped for me in 2017 with the Callaway Fusion and Epic. I don’t know if I gained any distance but I certainly didn’t loss any and gained tighter dispersion with M4.

 

I’m a club junkie and have tried it all. Outside of spin reduction and a bit more forgiveness, I’ve gained 3-5y since the 910D3. And I was way more accurate with that beauty

[Gary Gutful]

They look ok, but havnt seen any gains in at least 3 prolly more like 5 yrs and $500 is just way too much to have something different

 

If any the mizuno looks best so far

 

Distance jumped for me in 2017 with the Callaway Fusion and Epic. I don’t know if I gained any distance but I certainly didn’t loss any and gained tighter dispersion with M4.

 

I’m a club junkie and have tried it all. Outside of spin reduction and a bit more forgiveness, I’ve gained 3-5y since the 910D3. And I was way more accurate with that beauty

...and that assumes that you swing the same now as you did several years ago.

 

Too hard to measure and tell imo.

 

Agree though. Any improvements are only going to be incremental and fairly minor at this point.

[bgarrett41]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

[IUbball23]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

[noodle3872]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

 

So is it foam or resin? Or is it resin foam or foam resin?

[bgarrett41]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

 

If there is foam in them they aren’t marketed that way. Speedfoam is not the story they are telling in the 2019 heads. It’s resin that is injected.

[tbone18]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It's resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

 

So is it foam or resin? Or is it resin foam or foam resin?

speed foam. PXG uses resin.

[norge5]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

Speedfoam? Resin? It's neither. It's cool whip.

[mrmikeac]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

Speedfoam? Resin? It's neither. It's cool whip.

 

Oh come on really? Cool whip? Get real...

 

We all know it’s tough actin tinactin foot powder.

[norge5]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It's resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

Speedfoam? Resin? It's neither. It's cool whip.

 

Oh come on really? Cool whip? Get real...

 

We all know it's tough actin tinactin foot powder.

You clearly don't know anything about golf equipment. It's definitely cool whip. Tough actin Tinactin hasn't been approved by the USGA yet.

[norge5]

Word on the street is that the Ping G410 will be filled with greek yogurt. I am going to tell my wife I have to get it because of the probiotics.

[UncleJohn’sBand]

Word on the street is that the Ping G410 will be filled with greek yogurt. I am going to tell my wife I have to get it because of the probiotics.

 

No Thankyou. I don’t need my golf game to go to $#!+ any faster than it has been

[SubaruWRX]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It's resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

Speedfoam? Resin? It's neither. It's cool whip.

 

Oh come on really? Cool whip? Get real...

 

We all know it's tough actin tinactin foot powder.

You clearly don't know anything about golf equipment. It's definitely cool whip. Tough actin Tinactin hasn't been approved by the USGA yet.

Why do you keep saying it like that with emphasis on the “H”?!?

[Bomber_11]

Having seen Taylormade M5/M6 and that ghastly thing they're calling Epic Flash, it's safe to say it'll be a big year for Ping. (not to mention the new Cobra's are hideous..)

 

Or a big year for people to continue playing M3/M4/Rogue/G400 because nothing coming is an improvement lol

[AThompson_3]

Having seen Taylormade M5/M6 and that ghastly thing they're calling Epic Flash, it's safe to say it'll be a big year for Ping. (not to mention the new Cobra's are hideous..)

 

Or a big year for people to continue playing M3/M4/Rogue/G400 because nothing coming is an improvement lol

I don’t know man. Everything I’ve seen and read so far seems to lend itself to a great year for the new driver market. From what I’ve heard about the M5 it is probably the most innovative driver since R11. The Epic Flash improves upon the Epic and Rogue at all it will be a huge hit. Titleist has put out their two best drivers ever this year. There is a ton of new innovation in the driver market this year. Much more so than in any year in the past 4-5 IMO

[norge5]

Having seen Taylormade M5/M6 and that ghastly thing they're calling Epic Flash, it's safe to say it'll be a big year for Ping. (not to mention the new Cobra's are hideous..)

 

Or a big year for people to continue playing M3/M4/Rogue/G400 because nothing coming is an improvement lol

you don't like the look of the M6?

[Bomber_11]

Believe me I'm on board with driver innovation 100% - I want a driver I can pound 300 yards without having to think about a thing.

 

That being said, I'm curious what's "innovative" about these new drivers?

 

Hookers can repackage the same product and sell it over and over again, not so sure major golf companies can.

 

I don't know that I buy anything being far superior to the drivers we saw 2-3 years ago. I never noticed TwistFace to have much of an effect, definitely never saw HammerHead having an effect, Jailbreak may have been innovative in Epic, but it was just repackaged in Rogue.

 

They tell us "Forged face, Milled face, Speed Slot, Compression Channel, Y-Track, etc. etc. etc." but does the data support an M6 being superior to a 2016 M2 by more than maybe 200 RPM and 2mph ball speed? In the hands of 95% of golfers that is negligible. Especially as the price point is now reaching $600 w/ a stock shaft.

 

I've owned drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years and can genuinely say shaft makes sooooo much more of a difference than driver. If you want to spend big dollars, spend it there.

 

Late night rant over - should probably go succumb to the NyQuil I took 2 hours ago. Damn colds that my kids bring home :D

[blblco02]

Believe me I'm on board with driver innovation 100% - I want a driver I can pound 300 yards without having to think about a thing.

 

That being said, I'm curious what's "innovative" about these new drivers?

 

Hookers can repackage the same product and sell it over and over again, not so sure major golf companies can.

 

I don't know that I buy anything being far superior to the drivers we saw 2-3 years ago. I never noticed TwistFace to have much of an effect, definitely never saw HammerHead having an effect, Jailbreak may have been innovative in Epic, but it was just repackaged in Rogue.

 

They tell us "Forged face, Milled face, Speed Slot, Compression Channel, Y-Track, etc. etc. etc." but does the data support an M6 being superior to a 2016 M2 by more than maybe 200 RPM and 2mph ball speed? In the hands of 95% of golfers that is negligible. Especially as the price point is now reaching $600 w/ a stock shaft.

 

I've owned drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years and can genuinely say shaft makes sooooo much more of a difference than driver. If you want to spend big dollars, spend it there.

 

Late night rant over - should probably go succumb to the NyQuil I took 2 hours ago. Damn colds that my kids bring home :D

 

Guess what? You’re right. You’ve figured out that most of the driver innovation in the past few years is all marketing.

 

But you STILL bought “drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years”. Stop buying them and they will stop making them.

[norge5]

Believe me I'm on board with driver innovation 100% - I want a driver I can pound 300 yards without having to think about a thing.

 

That being said, I'm curious what's "innovative" about these new drivers?

 

Hookers can repackage the same product and sell it over and over again, not so sure major golf companies can.

 

I don't know that I buy anything being far superior to the drivers we saw 2-3 years ago. I never noticed TwistFace to have much of an effect, definitely never saw HammerHead having an effect, Jailbreak may have been innovative in Epic, but it was just repackaged in Rogue.

 

They tell us "Forged face, Milled face, Speed Slot, Compression Channel, Y-Track, etc. etc. etc." but does the data support an M6 being superior to a 2016 M2 by more than maybe 200 RPM and 2mph ball speed? In the hands of 95% of golfers that is negligible. Especially as the price point is now reaching $600 w/ a stock shaft.

 

I've owned drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years and can genuinely say shaft makes sooooo much more of a difference than driver. If you want to spend big dollars, spend it there.

 

Late night rant over - should probably go succumb to the NyQuil I took 2 hours ago. Damn colds that my kids bring home :D

I agree that I don't believe there is going to be anything earth shattering about any new offerings and I definitely don't want to spend $600 on a new driver. My problem is none of the current offerings that I have tried are really getting me excited. It has me looking at 2016 M2's with a good shaft or buying a premium shaft, for the first time in my life, and putting it in a G30 or M2.

[Gary Gutful]

There is no foam in any of the 2019 metal woods. It’s resin.

 

0% true. Held a cutaway of the new heads when I held / hit them a few days ago. Yes, there is foam inside of them.

 

If there is foam in them they aren’t marketed that way. Speedfoam is not the story they are telling in the 2019 heads. It’s resin that is injected.

Is the resin different to the foam?

 

Has someone done a taste test.

[mpf08796]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe resin is speedfoam that has been aged by the driver-ologist at TM. I heard its going to have full body flavor with just a hint of overpricing.

[Valtiel]

Believe me I'm on board with driver innovation 100% - I want a driver I can pound 300 yards without having to think about a thing.

 

That being said, I'm curious what's "innovative" about these new drivers?

 

Hookers can repackage the same product and sell it over and over again, not so sure major golf companies can.

 

I don't know that I buy anything being far superior to the drivers we saw 2-3 years ago. I never noticed TwistFace to have much of an effect, definitely never saw HammerHead having an effect, Jailbreak may have been innovative in Epic, but it was just repackaged in Rogue.

 

They tell us "Forged face, Milled face, Speed Slot, Compression Channel, Y-Track, etc. etc. etc." but does the data support an M6 being superior to a 2016 M2 by more than maybe 200 RPM and 2mph ball speed? In the hands of 95% of golfers that is negligible. Especially as the price point is now reaching $600 w/ a stock shaft.

 

I've owned drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years and can genuinely say shaft makes sooooo much more of a difference than driver. If you want to spend big dollars, spend it there.

 

Late night rant over - should probably go succumb to the NyQuil I took 2 hours ago. Damn colds that my kids bring home :D

 

Guess what? You’re right. You’ve figured out that most of the driver innovation in the past few years is all marketing.

 

But you STILL bought “drivers from every major OEM besides Titleist in the last 3 years”. Stop buying them and they will stop making them.

 

Most driver innovation, but not necessarily all. Sure there is PLENTY of marketing BS but the drivers TM are making now are WAY different than the ones they were making 3-5 year ago. They have been moving more and more in the PING direction of higher MOI and forgiveness while maintaining the lower MOI, less forgiving, low spin option with the adjustable weight systems. Some people still go on about "COR is maxed out, nowhere left to go" but COR is only one component of driver performance and there is still one BIG component that has not been achieved yet and that is truly low CG with high MOI per my earlier post here. Its a cost issue i'm pretty sure, it would be too expensive and/or too difficult to achieve this due to the materials you would need to make the head out of it would produce a superior driver.

 

Taylormade looks like they have been moving in this direction though and PING has made strides as well. The more of the technical data that the OEMs don't share that becomes available, the more knowledgeable people become and the OEMs have to respond. We're starting to see that now, and if the M5 and M6 can build on what they started doing with the M series drivers by increasing MOI and potentially finding a way to lower CG then the drivers WILL keep getting better in small increments. If they make a step forward with these drivers then my guess is that we are maybe 3-5 years away from seeing something that falls into the area I highlighted in the link above.

[Stanks]

You guys are reading too much into this. Check it out. Do what I do. Bring your gamer to your store and at the same time, get fit with the new M5 / 6 / any driver of your choice. If you yield better results with the gamer, shut up and move on. If you have better results with something new, figure it out if it’s the shaft or the new driver head and continue testing.

I thought the paintball industry was bad with kids crying and eventually forming out 1500$ plus on a marker that shoots paintballs. These drivers are a third of the cost and will be used far far more than some teen with his little paintball tournaments.

If it’s better, buy it. If it isn’t, day no thank you.

Buy lessons. Everyone needs those all the time.

[Gary Gutful]

You guys are reading too much into this. Check it out. Do what I do. Bring your gamer to your store and at the same time, get fit with the new M5 / 6 / any driver of your choice. If you yield better results with the gamer, shut up and move on. If you have better results with something new, figure it out if it's the shaft or the new driver head and continue testing.

I thought the paintball industry was bad with kids crying and eventually forming out 1500$ plus on a marker that shoots paintballs. These drivers are a third of the cost and will be used far far more than some teen with his little paintball tournaments.

If it's better, buy it. If it isn't, day no thank you.

Buy lessons. Everyone needs those all the time.

Don't get me started on the new M7 RocketPaintballs machine. The paint coefficient has been maxed out since at least the time of M1/M2.

[Stanks]

You guys are reading too much into this. Check it out. Do what I do. Bring your gamer to your store and at the same time, get fit with the new M5 / 6 / any driver of your choice. If you yield better results with the gamer, shut up and move on. If you have better results with something new, figure it out if it's the shaft or the new driver head and continue testing.

I thought the paintball industry was bad with kids crying and eventually forming out 1500$ plus on a marker that shoots paintballs. These drivers are a third of the cost and will be used far far more than some teen with his little paintball tournaments.

If it's better, buy it. If it isn't, day no thank you.

Buy lessons. Everyone needs those all the time.

Don't get me started on the new M7 RocketPaintballs machine. The paint coefficient has been maxed out since at least the time of M1/M2.

 

I think you’re missing the point little buddy

[fillwelix]

They look ok, but havnt seen any gains in at least 3 prolly more like 5 yrs and $500 is just way too much to have something different

 

If any the mizuno looks best so far

 

prolly??? What word is that?

 

prol·ly /ˈprälē/

 

adverb INFORMAL

adverb: prolly

 

probably.

"you prolly know this already"

 

Origin

Probably

->

Prolly

1940s

 

1940s: representing an informal pronunciation of probably.

 

Ahh those millennials and their new-fangled words from

 

...

 

 

78 years ago

[SwooshLT]

Having seen Taylormade M5/M6 and that ghastly thing they're calling Epic Flash, it's safe to say it'll be a big year for Ping. (not to mention the new Cobra's are hideous..)

 

Or a big year for people to continue playing M3/M4/Rogue/G400 because nothing coming is an improvement lol

 

This is where I stand with my M3....I gained so much top end that I'm living with poor misses

[csiachos]

My problem is that I just like to buy the newest thing out. I did really benefit from TwistFace bc I hit the ball really straight and felt I could swing harder.

[Z1ggy16]

Having seen Taylormade M5/M6 and that ghastly thing they're calling Epic Flash, it's safe to say it'll be a big year for Ping. (not to mention the new Cobra's are hideous..)

 

Or a big year for people to continue playing M3/M4/Rogue/G400 because nothing coming is an improvement lol

 

This is where I stand with my M3....I gained so much top end that I'm living with poor misses

Or even older clubs. I'm still getting 160 ball speed on garbage heel strikes from my LTD on about 110mph swing. I bet in 2019 guys could buy a barely used LTD for $100 and it would keep up with M5/M6 without too much problem.

[getair23]

You guys are reading too much into this. Check it out. Do what I do. Bring your gamer to your store and at the same time, get fit with the new M5 / 6 / any driver of your choice. If you yield better results with the gamer, shut up and move on. If you have better results with something new, figure it out if it's the shaft or the new driver head and continue testing.

I thought the paintball industry was bad with kids crying and eventually forming out 1500$ plus on a marker that shoots paintballs. These drivers are a third of the cost and will be used far far more than some teen with his little paintball tournaments.

If it's better, buy it. If it isn't, day no thank you.

Buy lessons. Everyone needs those all the time.

Don't get me started on the new M7 RocketPaintballs machine. The paint coefficient has been maxed out since at least the time of M1/M2.

 

I think you're missing the point little buddy

Are you saying, we should buy paintball lessons?