Poll: Will Tiger Break Jacks Major Record?

[Roadking2003]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

[mukster]

Although these polls usually come down to more of a popularity contest than anything else, I did vote, no and yes to the 2 questions.

 

Pigems, far more important in the popularity contest is your province. I just came back from a 2 week holiday in Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick. We absolutely loved Nova Scotia and we will go back, this time armed with the clubs!

[tbowles411]

He ties it. :)

[FIRs&GIRs&3-Putts]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

Wow, the WGC-Match Play is basically a mini-tour event then.

[NJpatbee]

I can see Tiger winning one or two additional majors and also getting the record for most wins.

[unrepentant 60s kid]

I can see Tiger winning one or two additional majors and also getting the record for most wins.

 

Massachusetts, Holy Cross, and Wake Forest went well enough.

What the hell happened at Purdue?

[FootWedge16]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

SoF is 13 I think. So it’s not exactly a major, but it’s not the Puerto Rico Open either.

[bscinstnct]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

Unless you aren't even playing in it. Like Jordan ; )

 

As far as the TC. Tell Rory, Brooks, DJ and basically the entire top 20 OWGR how easy it was to win this year.

[Ferguson]

I remembering reading an article about 20 years ago where Tiger alluded to a loosely stated career goal of 100 wins and 25 majors.

 

With his recovery, ability to compete this year and now proving to himself he can win, I believe Tiger will retire as the Goat with 90 wins and 18 majors.

 

Majors 15-19:

2 Masters

1 British

1 PGA

[TreyWingbat]

[NHauss]

Pained me to vote no. I think he will win 3 more in the next 7 years, and then either contend/ win one more a la Tom Watson 5-10 years later if he is still health enough to play. So 1 short or tie. I'm young so didn't see Jack play but I already think Tiger is tops or at least equal in the conversation.

[Hawkeye77]

He couldn't even manage one in 2013, they aren't that easy to win. Stil think he'll get a couple in the next few years IF he is lucky enough to still be playing well.

[Nard_S]

He's insanely driven. So I would not bet against it. Big wildcard, how do young guns respond, do a couple go back and re-examine a bit and match the intensity he brings to the preparation process and sheer desire to win? I think a fair barometer to judge is going to be golf from Torrey Pines to Augusta next year.

[Pigems]

Although these polls usually come down to more of a popularity contest than anything else, I did vote, no and yes to the 2 questions.

 

Pigems, far more important in the popularity contest is your province. I just came back from a 2 week holiday in Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick. We absolutely loved Nova Scotia and we will go back, this time armed with the clubs!

 

Shoot me a message next time you come back, we’ll meet up for a round. :)

[Pigems]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

You need to be top 30 in the world just to get in, then you have to beat the best 29 other golfers playing this season. I wouldn’t exactly call that EASY. Heck the masters is a weaker overall field with older players who don’t even play golf any more, like a Mike Wier for example.

[cdnglf]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

You need to be top 30 in the world just to get in, then you have to beat the best 29 other golfers playing this season. I wouldn't exactly call that EASY. Heck the masters is a weaker overall field with older players who don't even play golf any more, like a Mike Wier for example.

 

Top 30 in Fedex Cup standings != Top 30 in the World

It is not the best 29 golfers this playing this season, its the top 29 in Fedex points. There's a reasonably strong correlation, but they're not the same.

 

The Masters has all the top 50 players in the world, plus another 30-35 legit competitors. How could it possibly be a weaker overall field than the TC, which only has 30 players in total?

[Pigems]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it’s the best of who’s left by that time. It’s got to be at least close.

[cdnglf]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it's the best of who's left by that time. It's got to be at least close.

 

It is not close. For every player in the Tour Championship, there's an equivalent or better player in the Masters. Plus another 55 or so other legit Pros.

[Potatohead]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it's the best of who's left by that time. It's got to be at least close.

 

It is not close. For every player in the Tour Championship, there's an equivalent or better player in the Masters. Plus another 55 or so other legit Pros.

 

https://datagolf.ca/field-strength-table

 

The average player in the Tour Championship averaged 1.4 shots per round better than an average player, in an average event. The Masters was only .35 shots.

 

So, while there are fewer players in the TC, each is playing at a higher level - Which is why they are there in the first place.

[redfirebird08]

He couldn't even manage one in 2013, they aren't that easy to win. Stil think he'll get a couple in the next few years IF he is lucky enough to still be playing well.

 

Damn right they are very difficult to win. Koepka's run over the last 18 months is amazing. I will believe the current version of Tiger can win a major when he actually does it. I have the same skepticism with Fowler.

[jasonfish11]

Man 2019 and 2021 rotations set up pretty well for Tiger. It's hard to imagine him winning 5 more majors, but if he can get over that hump early next year this sets up pretty well.

 

2019

 

Masters -- Augusta National; Augusta, Ga.

PGA Championship -- Bethpage Black; Farmingdale, N.Y.

U.S. Open -- Pebble Beach Golf Links; Pebble Beach, Calif.

Open Championship -- Royal Portrush; Northern Ireland

Presidents Cup -- Royal Melbourne; Melbourne, Australia

2020

 

Masters -- Augusta National; Augusta, Ga.

PGA Championship -- TPC Harding Park; San Francisco, Calif.

U.S. Open -- Winged Foot Golf Club; Mamaroneck, N.Y.

Open Championship -- Royal St. George's; Sandwich, England

Ryder Cup -- Whistling Straits; Kohler, Wis.

2021

 

Masters -- Augusta National; Augusta, Ga.

PGA Championship -- Kiawah Island's Ocean Course; Kiawah Island, S.C.

U.S. Open -- Torrey Pines; La Jolla, Calif.

Open Championship -- St. Andrews Golf Links, St. Andrews, Scotland

Presidents Cup -- Quail Hollow Golf Club; Charlotte, N.C.

[IVM]

It all depends on how his back holds up .

[Potatohead]

It all depends on how his back holds up .

 

If it hasn't been a problem thus far, with the amount of golf he has played in the last six weeks or so, it won't be a problem going forward.

 

Unless you are talking about a whole new injury, which of course is possible.

[jacobEDGE]

Why are Majors valued so much higher? They're just a slightly deeper field and in some cases not even a deeper field depending on who makes it to the weekend. Why do they carry so much value? Why isn't the TC considered as deep a field as a major value wise for example?

 

Fascinating how the TC is now an almost-major. Did I miss something over the past few days?

 

It's one of the easiest tournaments to win. Only have to beat 29 guys.

 

I can't tell if this is genuine or sarcasm.

[lowheel]

If he gets 1 in 2019 I would say the chances of getting to 18 is 25%. If he somehow gets 2 in 2019 his chances are 75%+. If none are won in 2019 his chances are probably 5% of ever reaching it.

 

However, this is just like the winnng percentage odds on NFL Gamecast, the 99% likely scenarios can teeter-totter in the other direction in just one play(win). If he can get 2 by 45 he's still got an outside chance. Barring injury, I feel his game can hold up for about 5 strong years. I'd laugh if he had a Tom Watson moment in 15y and actually pulled it off to tie Jack or surpass him!

 

I wonder if Jack ever ponders a scenario where Tiger never falls from glory, never has injuries and asks himself, "To what heights could Tiger have really ascended if he'd never been set back for an entire decade???"

 

Why should he? are we pretending that injuries were the only reason his play fell off? Longevity matters. Nobody told Tiger to change his swing after Yang took him down. His biggest asset is also his biggest weakness, his ego. It took an entire season of hitting score crippling bad drives to figure out that he shouldnt swing out of his shoes and use a shaft that promotes a tighter flight. Lets see what the W does for him next year but the what if game goes both ways.

[lowheel]

He couldn't even manage one in 2013, they aren't that easy to win. Stil think he'll get a couple in the next few years IF he is lucky enough to still be playing well.

 

Damn right they are very difficult to win. Koepka's run over the last 18 months is amazing. I will believe the current version of Tiger can win a major when he actually does it. I have the same skepticism with Fowler.

 

Thats a very fair way of looking at it

[lowheel]

I remembering reading an article about 20 years ago where Tiger alluded to a loosely stated career goal of 100 wins and 25 majors.

 

With his recovery, ability to compete this year and now proving to himself he can win, I believe Tiger will retire as the Goat with 90 wins and 18 majors.

 

Majors 15-19:

2 Masters

1 British

1 PGA

 

he has i believe 12 wins in the last 10 years and 0 majors/so basically from age 32 to 42 he had 12 wins and 0 majors.Youre saying he gets 10 more wins and 4 majors past 43 years old? thats bold.It would be insane to see it happen but realistically...

[Hawkeye77]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it's the best of who's left by that time. It's got to be at least close.

 

It is not close. For every player in the Tour Championship, there's an equivalent or better player in the Masters. Plus another 55 or so other legit Pros.

 

https://datagolf.ca/...-strength-table

 

The average player in the Tour Championship averaged 1.4 shots per round better than an average player, in an average event. The Masters was only .35 shots.

 

So, while there are fewer players in the TC, each is playing at a higher level - Which is why they are there in the first place.

 

You are making way more out of that stat than it allows, especially the "higher level" - lots of things figure into score, like course conditions and setup, and simply taking averages of fields 5 times larger and spreading that among "average" tournaments has its own pitfalls.

[cdnglf]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it's the best of who's left by that time. It's got to be at least close.

 

It is not close. For every player in the Tour Championship, there's an equivalent or better player in the Masters. Plus another 55 or so other legit Pros.

 

https://datagolf.ca/...-strength-table

 

The average player in the Tour Championship averaged 1.4 shots per round better than an average player, in an average event. The Masters was only .35 shots.

 

So, while there are fewer players in the TC, each is playing at a higher level - Which is why they are there in the first place.

 

Comparing "average player quality" is useless when the fields are of different sizes.

The "average player quality" of the top 30 is higher than the average of the top 50, but obviously it is more difficult to beat all the top 50 than just the top 30.

[bscinstnct]

You have to make it through 3 tourneys just to get to that top 30 though, so it's the best of who's left by that time. It's got to be at least close.

 

It is not close. For every player in the Tour Championship, there's an equivalent or better player in the Masters. Plus another 55 or so other legit Pros.

 

https://datagolf.ca/...-strength-table

 

The average player in the Tour Championship averaged 1.4 shots per round better than an average player, in an average event. The Masters was only .35 shots.

 

So, while there are fewer players in the TC, each is playing at a higher level - Which is why they are there in the first place.

 

Comparing "average player quality" is useless when the fields are of different sizes.

The "average player quality" of the top 30 is higher than the average of the top 100, but obviously it is more difficult to beat all the top 100 than just the top 30.

 

 

What other event would you draw parallel to the TC?