Tiger vs. Phil in "The Match." **MERGED**

[Cool Runnings]

Pay per view price here has just been dropped from initial $10 to $2 by local cable provider!!....I wouldn't be surprised if they provide it FOC later..

Yes, I’m getting similar feedback from business associates and friends who live/work in Australasia / Asia and Europe.

[jtitleist12]

If you buy the PPV, do you have to watch it "live" or do you have the ability to watch it later on like when you DVR a show?

 

I'd like to watch this from the start, but will not be home until later in the evening.

 

- Josh

[Cool Runnings]

Pay per view price here has just been dropped from initial $10 to $2 by local cable provider!!....I wouldn't be surprised if they provide it FOC later..

 

Are you indeed in the Philippines? Unfortunately I don't think that experience is indicative of the whole market. They are still asking for $19.99 where I am.

 

So, if I fly to the Philippines

 

I could get it for $2?

 

This is worth looking into!

 

This has been a hard sell from the beginning here...

 

I'm a big Tiger fan but this event never excited me from the get-go..

 

now if it were a foursome composed ob Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Justin Rose AND Tiger...that's a different story!!

As a big Tiger fan also, I tend to agree… it would certainly have more appeal if it included the firepower and talents of todays best players.

[Rangeballz]

If you buy the PPV, do you have to watch it "live" or do you have the ability to watch it later on like when you DVR a show?

 

I'd like to watch this from the start, but will not be home until later in the evening.

 

- Josh

 

Supposedly, you can watch it at your leisure for 48 hours, as many times as you want. Like you, I'll want to watch it later. I just hope there is not a massive technical screw-up.

[Cool Runnings]

Lol.

 

Let's just consider this. Compare Rory's 2017-2018 seasons. Tiger and Phil are both as relevant or much more so than he. Rory has ,I think, 1 win. ( Palmer). Phil has a WGC win and Tiger was 1 stroke from the Fedex cup and won the tour championship. Your failure to acknowledge that it COULD be sour grapes is pretty telling. Maybe my speaking in absolutes is wrong. I can say that. But your clinging to that small phrase is pretty nit picking wouldn't you say ? The root point remains.

 

And to another statement that you continue to make. " when have I tried to declare your opinion invalid "?

 

How's now , or for this entire thread ? Otherwise what is your point ?

 

Actually no, it’s not “nit-picking”… it’s challenging/exposing the underlying premise of your WHOLE irrational / extremist / conspiracy that there’s “No other explanation - That’s pure hate and jealousy”.

This is meant to be a welcoming and constructive forum for golfers to share insight, views and ideas… not where obsessive, paranoid hate-filled conspiracies like that go unchecked.

[Cool Runnings]

I don’t have much interest in this thing (only clicked on the last page of the thread to see when it is happening), but it appears the thread itself has been highly entertaining. Probably more so than the match will be. I guess I’ll have to keep reading now.

Be careful, you’ll soon be classed a “pure jealous hater” if you think this thread will be more “entertaining” than the actual “match” ;)

[deadsolid...shank]

I don’t have much interest in this thing (only clicked on the last page of the thread to see when it is happening), but it appears the thread itself has been highly entertaining. Probably more so than the match will be. I guess I’ll have to keep reading now.

Be careful, you’ll soon be classed a “pure jealous hater” if you think this thread will be more “entertaining” than the actual “match” ;)

 

Oh heck, I’m not worried. I hate almost everyone already and am jealous of most of them too.

[Cool Runnings]

^^^ Give 'em hell, blade. I'm still upset the CR ducked me in the other Tiger thread.

 

Never “ducked” a soul in my life, no reason to when I’m coming from a place of honesty, logic & truth. If you can re-post your previous post/comment/question I’ll happily respond to it shortly.

 

Post #985

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...f/page__st__960

Please see post #1008 for my response.

[Holy Moses]

Can you get B/R Live on Playstation?

[bladehunter]

Lol.

 

Let's just consider this. Compare Rory's 2017-2018 seasons. Tiger and Phil are both as relevant or much more so than he. Rory has ,I think, 1 win. ( Palmer). Phil has a WGC win and Tiger was 1 stroke from the Fedex cup and won the tour championship. Your failure to acknowledge that it COULD be sour grapes is pretty telling. Maybe my speaking in absolutes is wrong. I can say that. But your clinging to that small phrase is pretty nit picking wouldn't you say ? The root point remains.

 

And to another statement that you continue to make. " when have I tried to declare your opinion invalid "?

 

How's now , or for this entire thread ? Otherwise what is your point ?

 

Actually no, it’s not “nit-picking”… it’s challenging/exposing the underlying premise of your WHOLE irrational / extremist / conspiracy that there’s “No other explanation - That’s pure hate and jealousy”.

This is meant to be a welcoming and constructive forum for golfers to share insight, views and ideas… not where obsessive, paranoid hate-filled conspiracies like that go unchecked.

 

Lol. And you aren’t trying to invalidate my opinion ?

 

 

 

[bladehunter]

I don’t have much interest in this thing (only clicked on the last page of the thread to see when it is happening), but it appears the thread itself has been highly entertaining. Probably more so than the match will be. I guess I’ll have to keep reading now.

Be careful, you’ll soon be classed a “pure jealous hater” if you think this thread will be more “entertaining” than the actual “match” ;)

 

Oh heck, I’m not worried. I hate almost everyone already and am jealous of most of them too. ��

 

Two thumbs up ... this is getting to be a very entertaining thread !

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I don’t have much interest in this thing (only clicked on the last page of the thread to see when it is happening), but it appears the thread itself has been highly entertaining. Probably more so than the match will be. I guess I’ll have to keep reading now.

Yes been saying that all along. WRX commentary will be far more entertaining than the match itself and won't require me to dedicate hours to watch it. Catching the highlights on YouTube will be enough for me.

[getair23]

If you buy the PPV, do you have to watch it "live" or do you have the ability to watch it later on like when you DVR a show?

 

I'd like to watch this from the start, but will not be home until later in the evening.

 

- Josh

Comcast has the option to purchase and record. Not sure about other cable companies.

[new2g0lf]

Again, you’re still not getting the central point I was making in saying/giving examples (opinions or not) that there ARE plenty of possible explanations.

 

No wonder conversations don’t move along quickly.

Perhaps everyone else isn't to blame?....

I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy... Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet... (ie: Ror's wants to hear his name being mentioned and not Tiger or Phil's)

 

And I hear what you're saying, but I don't think your ears are open to others.....

 

I’m not “blaming” a few of the same guys for being unable or unwilling to read a key point that’s clearly highlighted multiple times… but whatever the reason (unable or unwilling), I do insist in YOU and your supporters taking responsibility for your actions/inactions when conversing.

 

dropkicked:

“I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy”

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And once again you’re STILL missing the central point I’m making (let me say it another way for you).

 

When bladehunter stated “That’s pure hate and jealousy (from Rory). No other explanation.”… the first part of his statement is nothing but blade’s personal belief (be it a baseless / factless / conspiracy-based belief, and that’s fine even though it’s likely/evidently more a reflection on blade’s obsessive/insecure relationship with Tiger which is and continues to observable and is another discussion for another time)… BUT the second part of his statement “No other explanation” is what I’m highlighting and challenging as utter rubbish, worryingly delusional and pointing out is an extremist’s way of thinking helping creating a false, convenient and limiting belief system.

 

The FACT IS there ARE OTHER POSSIBLE explanations instead of blade’s absolute statement of “pure hate and jealousy”… for starters I provided 2 other possible explanations, heck when Rory was asked by the media he gave you his own perfectly valid explanation of Tiger & Phil being 15 years past their best (which is true because they are and even you can’t deny that). The fact you’re either unable or unwilling to entertain that there are no other possible explanations if Rory had the time to further qualify his thoughts, is rather sad, extremist, and very worrying to say the least.

 

dropkicked:

“Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet”

–––––––––––

 

Urrrhmmm… because he was ASKED by the media. Was he meant to “stay quiet” and say nothing in the face of the question? The reality is Rory is loved by the media and fans because he’s open and honest and speaks his mind without giving a cookie-cutter answer. We as fans should be applauding more of this from our players.

 

No because his answer made him seem bitter. He could have said, I don't know what our plans are, I might check it out. The answer he gave was what you'd expect from someone who felt overlooked and thought he deserved the opportunity to play in such a match. I get it, Rory has been in the shadow of Tiger and to a lesser degree Phil his entire career. Unless Rory is a lot dumber than I thought he knows this PPV is good for golf and members of the Tour, his answer could impact the success of the event and he knew that. FYI, Rory is not that loved by the fans, he was a lot more popular in his earlier years.

[cdnglf]

 

 

I’m not “blaming” a few of the same guys for being unable or unwilling to read a key point that’s clearly highlighted multiple times… but whatever the reason (unable or unwilling), I do insist in YOU and your supporters taking responsibility for your actions/inactions when conversing.

 

dropkicked:

“I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy”

–––––––––––

 

And once again you’re STILL missing the central point I’m making (let me say it another way for you).

 

When bladehunter stated “That’s pure hate and jealousy (from Rory). No other explanation.”… the first part of his statement is nothing but blade’s personal belief (be it a baseless / factless / conspiracy-based belief, and that’s fine even though it’s likely/evidently more a reflection on blade’s obsessive/insecure relationship with Tiger which is and continues to observable and is another discussion for another time)… BUT the second part of his statement “No other explanation” is what I’m highlighting and challenging as utter rubbish, worryingly delusional and pointing out is an extremist’s way of thinking helping creating a false, convenient and limiting belief system.

 

The FACT IS there ARE OTHER POSSIBLE explanations instead of blade’s absolute statement of “pure hate and jealousy”… for starters I provided 2 other possible explanations, heck when Rory was asked by the media he gave you his own perfectly valid explanation of Tiger & Phil being 15 years past their best (which is true because they are and even you can’t deny that). The fact you’re either unable or unwilling to entertain that there are no other possible explanations if Rory had the time to further qualify his thoughts, is rather sad, extremist, and very worrying to say the least.

 

dropkicked:

“Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet”

–––––––––––

 

Urrrhmmm… because he was ASKED by the media. Was he meant to “stay quiet” and say nothing in the face of the question? The reality is Rory is loved by the media and fans because he’s open and honest and speaks his mind without giving a cookie-cutter answer. We as fans should be applauding more of this from our players.

 

No because his answer made him seem bitter. He could have said, I don't know what our plans are, I might check it out. The answer he gave was what you'd expect from someone who felt overlooked and thought he deserved the opportunity to play in such a match. I get it, Rory has been in the shadow of Tiger and to a lesser degree Phil his entire career. Unless Rory is a lot dumber than I thought he knows this PPV is good for golf and members of the Tour, his answer could impact the success of the event and he knew that. FYI, Rory is not that loved by the fans, he was a lot more popular in his earlier years.

 

This event does as much for the PGA Tour as Dancing with the Stars did for the NFL.

 

[WidespreadPanic]

I just checked my PPV and it’s listed as $29.99 + fees / taxes. What’s that all about???

[new2g0lf]

Again, you’re still not getting the central point I was making in saying/giving examples (opinions or not) that there ARE plenty of possible explanations.

 

No wonder conversations don’t move along quickly.

Perhaps everyone else isn't to blame?....

I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy... Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet... (ie: Ror's wants to hear his name being mentioned and not Tiger or Phil's)

 

And I hear what you're saying, but I don't think your ears are open to others.....

 

I’m not “blaming” a few of the same guys for being unable or unwilling to read a key point that’s clearly highlighted multiple times… but whatever the reason (unable or unwilling), I do insist in YOU and your supporters taking responsibility for your actions/inactions when conversing.

 

dropkicked:

“I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy”

–––––––––––

 

And once again you’re STILL missing the central point I’m making (let me say it another way for you).

 

When bladehunter stated “That’s pure hate and jealousy (from Rory). No other explanation.”… the first part of his statement is nothing but blade’s personal belief (be it a baseless / factless / conspiracy-based belief, and that’s fine even though it’s likely/evidently more a reflection on blade’s obsessive/insecure relationship with Tiger which is and continues to observable and is another discussion for another time)… BUT the second part of his statement “No other explanation” is what I’m highlighting and challenging as utter rubbish, worryingly delusional and pointing out is an extremist’s way of thinking helping creating a false, convenient and limiting belief system.

 

The FACT IS there ARE OTHER POSSIBLE explanations instead of blade’s absolute statement of “pure hate and jealousy”… for starters I provided 2 other possible explanations, heck when Rory was asked by the media he gave you his own perfectly valid explanation of Tiger & Phil being 15 years past their best (which is true because they are and even you can’t deny that). The fact you’re either unable or unwilling to entertain that there are no other possible explanations if Rory had the time to further qualify his thoughts, is rather sad, extremist, and very worrying to say the least.

 

dropkicked:

“Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet”

–––––––––––

 

Urrrhmmm… because he was ASKED by the media. Was he meant to “stay quiet” and say nothing in the face of the question? The reality is Rory is loved by the media and fans because he’s open and honest and speaks his mind without giving a cookie-cutter answer. We as fans should be applauding more of this from our players.

 

No because his answer made him seem bitter. He could have said, I don't know what our plans are, I might check it out. The answer he gave was what you'd expect from someone who felt overlooked and thought he deserved the opportunity to play in such a match. I get it, Rory has been in the shadow of Tiger and to a lesser degree Phil his entire career. Unless Rory is a lot dumber than I thought he knows this PPV is good for golf and members of the Tour, his answer could impact the success of the event and he knew that. FYI, Rory is not that loved by the fans, he was a lot more popular in his earlier years.

 

This event does as much for the PGA Tour as Dancing with the Stars did for the NFL.

 

It promotes the Tour and tests the PPV model for the PGA Tour so not sure how you reach that conclusion. You analogy doesn't even make sense, Tiger and Phil will be playing golf not dancing.

[Holy Moses]

I just checked my PPV and it’s listed as $29.99 + fees / taxes. What’s that all about???

 

Sponsored by the Wilson Cortex? ?

[WidespreadPanic]

I wonder if there are any stipulations set up for blow out situations. Maybe lose a couple on purpose. Somebody winning 8&7 would be a disaster.

[new2g0lf]

I wonder if there are any stipulations set up for blow out situations. Maybe lose a couple on purpose. Somebody winning 8&7 would be a disaster.

 

I'm guessing the side bets will help keep it close by forcing each other to take shots they might not in a straight up match play event.

[bscinstnct]

I just checked my PPV and it’s listed as $29.99 + fees / taxes. What’s that all about???

 

Supply and demand, maybe lots of orders. Well, demand, anyway.

 

Either that or reverse psychology. Nobodys ordering so *raise the price and make people think it's a hot ticket!

[lowheel]

I don’t have much interest in this thing (only clicked on the last page of the thread to see when it is happening), but it appears the thread itself has been highly entertaining. Probably more so than the match will be. I guess I’ll have to keep reading now.

 

Be careful, you’ll soon be classed a “pure jealous hater” if you think this thread will be more “entertaining” than the actual “match” ;)

 

Oh heck, I’m not worried. I hate almost everyone already and am jealous of most of them too. ��

 

;) hope you and the family have a great thanksgiving!

 

 

[lowheel]

I’m not “blaming” a few of the same guys for being unable or unwilling to read a key point that’s clearly highlighted multiple times… but whatever the reason (unable or unwilling), I do insist in YOU and your supporters taking responsibility for your actions/inactions when conversing.

 

dropkicked:

“I am actually in agreement with bladehunter's comment, as I believe the animosity stem from deeply rooted anger and jealousy”

–––––––––––

 

And once again you’re STILL missing the central point I’m making (let me say it another way for you).

 

When bladehunter stated “That’s pure hate and jealousy (from Rory). No other explanation.”… the first part of his statement is nothing but blade’s personal belief (be it a baseless / factless / conspiracy-based belief, and that’s fine even though it’s likely/evidently more a reflection on blade’s obsessive/insecure relationship with Tiger which is and continues to observable and is another discussion for another time)… BUT the second part of his statement “No other explanation” is what I’m highlighting and challenging as utter rubbish, worryingly delusional and pointing out is an extremist’s way of thinking helping creating a false, convenient and limiting belief system.

 

The FACT IS there ARE OTHER POSSIBLE explanations instead of blade’s absolute statement of “pure hate and jealousy”… for starters I provided 2 other possible explanations, heck when Rory was asked by the media he gave you his own perfectly valid explanation of Tiger & Phil being 15 years past their best (which is true because they are and even you can’t deny that). The fact you’re either unable or unwilling to entertain that there are no other possible explanations if Rory had the time to further qualify his thoughts, is rather sad, extremist, and very worrying to say the least.

 

dropkicked:

“Why else would he have elaborated as to reasons why he wouldn't watch, instead of simply staying quiet”

–––––––––––

 

Urrrhmmm… because he was ASKED by the media. Was he meant to “stay quiet” and say nothing in the face of the question? The reality is Rory is loved by the media and fans because he’s open and honest and speaks his mind without giving a cookie-cutter answer. We as fans should be applauding more of this from our players.

 

No because his answer made him seem bitter. He could have said, I don't know what our plans are, I might check it out. The answer he gave was what you'd expect from someone who felt overlooked and thought he deserved the opportunity to play in such a match. I get it, Rory has been in the shadow of Tiger and to a lesser degree Phil his entire career. Unless Rory is a lot dumber than I thought he knows this PPV is good for golf and members of the Tour, his answer could impact the success of the event and he knew that. FYI, Rory is not that loved by the fans, he was a lot more popular in his earlier years.

 

This event does as much for the PGA Tour as Dancing with the Stars did for the NFL.

 

 

How many poor husbands were dragged by their wives to watch that crap?

[cdnglf]

No because his answer made him seem bitter. He could have said, I don't know what our plans are, I might check it out. The answer he gave was what you'd expect from someone who felt overlooked and thought he deserved the opportunity to play in such a match. I get it, Rory has been in the shadow of Tiger and to a lesser degree Phil his entire career. Unless Rory is a lot dumber than I thought he knows this PPV is good for golf and members of the Tour, his answer could impact the success of the event and he knew that. FYI, Rory is not that loved by the fans, he was a lot more popular in his earlier years.

 

This event does as much for the PGA Tour as Dancing with the Stars did for the NFL.

 

It promotes the Tour and tests the PPV model for the PGA Tour so not sure how you reach that conclusion. You analogy doesn't even make sense, Tiger and Phil will be playing golf not dancing.

 

Nobody buying this thing is unaware of the PGA Tour, and the PGA Tour knows what PPV is.

 

[Hamerhaai]

Free to watch in the Netherlands :)

[straightshot7]

straightshot7:

“That's not surprising at all. I don't expect this "match" to have global appeal. The majority of Tiger's fans are in the U.S. 95% of Phil's fans probably reside in the U.S.

 

It's obviously not an event with the gravity to attract many International viewers. But, that doesn't mean it isn't an entertaining event for people who are big Tiger and Phil fans and avid U.S. golf enthusiasts.

 

I don't think anyone's pretending that this event rivals top PGA Tour events or Ryder Cups, etc.

 

It's not being promoted as a tournament with prestige or the weight of a Tour event or a Major championship. So I'm not sure why people are holding it to such a high standard.”

––––––––––––––––

 

Some fair points… hence my original posts/comment stating “It is interesting few if any outside of the USA really cares about this match…” which you essentially support when saying “The majority of Tiger's fans are in the U.S. 95% of Phil's fans probably reside in the U.S.”

 

Except what I said is that it really shouldn't be considered "interesting". It's exactly what one would expect.

 

And it sounded like you were trying to pass that off as a legitimate criticism of the event, which it isn't.

 

No one expected this event to draw large International interest.

 

The vast majority of NFL viewers reside in the U. S. too. And they're not suffering.

 

So your point about a lack of International interest is weak at best. No one cares.

 

Firstly, Golf is a true international sport, NFL isn’t. Second, Tiger & Phil are both global brands who have international reach & value and who are paid millions by overseas brands to have their faces/names associated with them - Tiger & Phil are also both adored worldwide by not only golf fans, but general sporting fans alike. Trust me, the sponsors and brands taking part in this match would love to have a wider international appeal. So actually my point about a lack of international interest is not only valid but strong at worst.

 

My original post was actually a statement of insight & reality about the upcoming match and its lack of global reach / interest / value despite their international brand’s global status. But I’m not surprised by those who are extremely Tiger-sensitive who’ve made up a negative conspiratorial agenda.

 

Thanks again for you continued support of my original post though.

 

1. What you hear from 4 friends isn't conclusive evidence of anything

 

2. My point stands that the large majority of Phil and Tiger's fans (especially those avid enough to order something like this) reside in the U.S.

 

3. No one, including the sponsors and "match" organizers ever intended for this event to have large International appeal or purchases

 

So your criticism is a total straw-man argument. It's like saying interest in the President's Cup is low among Europeans. Yeah? Tell us something we don't know?

 

Since you'll never acknowledge the weakness of your arguments, I know you'll probably come back again with more of the same. I wish you all the best but I'm done "conversing" with you. It's been fun, I'm just going to grab some popcorn when it comes to your posts from now on. :)

[Pleasedwith3putts]

No coverage in the UK

[bscinstnct]

No coverage in the UK

 

So what are you going to watch with ypur Thanksgiving leftovers?

 

; )

[ebrasmus21]

No coverage in the UK

 

So what are you going to watch with ypur Thanksgiving leftovers?

 

; )

 

[Pleasedwith3putts]

No coverage in the UK

 

So what are you going to watch with ypur Thanksgiving leftovers?

 

; )

 

I guess I'm gonna have to follow this thread for updates :golfer: