RAW IRONS POST YOUR PICS

[rbpwrx]

On 5/28/2020 at 6:03 PM, PeanutsDaddy said:

This head has seen nearly 2 years of use and has been oiled and rubbed down with consistency.

 

WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE MAGNIFICENT SHAFTS!?!?!

[rbpwrx]

@brad1978golf

Can you re-post the King Forged photo? (my irons too)

Somehow a lot of the pics in this thread are missing

Edited March 16, 2022 by rbpwrx

[jmck]

On 3/11/2022 at 9:55 AM, Soccerrick10 said:

Got them built up. Just need to turn the ferrules. 
 

 

Those look fantastic!  Soooooooooo much better than when they left the PXG factory.

[jmck]

Re: tip weighting, it was a while ago so I'm not going to go digging for the thread, but IIRC Tom Wishon said that he did a bunch of Iron Byron testing and it took 20+ grams of tip weighting before they saw any real ball flight changes.

[rbpwrx]

13 minutes ago, jmck said:

Re: tip weighting, it was a while ago so I'm not going to go digging for the thread, but IIRC Tom Wishon said that he did a bunch of Iron Byron testing and it took 20+ grams of tip weighting before they saw any real ball flight changes.

Eff Iron Byron. Humans can be surprisingly sensitive. I bought a set of King Forged MBs with KBS $-Taper 130s, but they felt surprisingly dead to me, and were missing right on good swings. Took them apart and found brass tip weights 6 to 14g in every shaft. Re-assembled w/o the weights, and voila! Crisp and light and true to swing. Night and day. My subjective experience: even a few grams in the hosel can make a noticeable difference to how they play.

[jmck]

31 minutes ago, rbpwrx said:

Eff Iron Byron. Humans can be surprisingly sensitive. I bought a set of King Forged MBs with KBS $-Taper 130s, but they felt surprisingly dead to me, and were missing right on good swings. Took them apart and found brass tip weights 6 to 14g in every shaft. Re-assembled w/o the weights, and voila! Crisp and light and true to swing. Night and day. My subjective experience: even a few grams in the hosel can make a noticeable difference to how they play.

That's a static weight and/or swingweight issue you're describing, and personal to your swing and that particular build.

 

In context, the earlier discussion was about where the threshold is for tip weights measurably moving a club's COG after chrome removal.  

[rbpwrx]

56 minutes ago, jmck said:

That's a static weight and/or swingweight issue you're describing, and personal to your swing and that particular build.

 

In context, the earlier discussion was about where the threshold is for tip weights measurably moving a club's COG after chrome removal.  

Understood. Maybe COG measurement is different from playability considerations.

I know that, for me, the 8-12 gm of headweight loss from chrome removal would be major. I already find standard heads too light (as do many others - witness lead tape). I also find tip weights to affect flight differently from additional head weight.

In context, as beautiful as many of these stripped heads are, I stick to heads designed to be raw. I play Adams MB2s and Cobra King Forged MBs (black, not raw, but also not chromed - easy to de-finish w/o weight loss). Have a set of raw Aussie Blade MCT97s. The Cally Apex raws are on my wish list. Etc.

 

Heavy + raw = for me. Photos to follow.

Edited March 16, 2022 by rbpwrx

[ChristopherMcDonald]

1 hour ago, rbpwrx said:

Eff Iron Byron. Humans can be surprisingly sensitive. I bought a set of King Forged MBs with KBS $-Taper 130s, but they felt surprisingly dead to me, and were missing right on good swings. Took them apart and found brass tip weights 6 to 14g in every shaft. Re-assembled w/o the weights, and voila! Crisp and light and true to swing. Night and day. My subjective experience: even a few grams in the hosel can make a noticeable difference to how they play.

Well, my guess would be those tip weights came from the factory and were to get them to a unified swing weight. I would be interested to see what they measured if you were to put them on a scale now. I would guess they are absolutely all over the place. 

[jordan_mccomb]

3 hours ago, rbpwrx said:

WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE MAGNIFICENT SHAFTS!?!?!

Paderson graphite iron shafts

[Soccerrick10]

12 hours ago, jordan_mccomb said:

Paderson graphite iron shafts

One of the unknown gems of golf gear.  I have a set I played for 2 years in Mizuno HMB’s.  Just sold the heads and the Paderson’s are waiting for new heads.  I thought about putting them in the raw PXG’s but decided to try some steel lightweight (Nippon Zelos) shafts to see if I get better consistency compared to my usual MMT’s.

 

If that doesn’t work out, I’ll put the Paderson’s in the PXG’s.

 

Here’s how they looked in the HMB’s…

[ewaldbeukes]

On 3/10/2022 at 10:10 PM, Russ757 said:

Well seeing soccer's made me excited as mine were also due today. Usps didn't let me down.. 

 

Arrived with Doug 9feb and in my hands 10mar.. Aside frim the silence, I couldn't be happier. I have a set of j40s that I bought with intention of sending in, that is absolutely gonna happen this fall. Probably along with my zx5/7 combo

 

I'll provide the before and after weight tomorrow for those curious. Gonna gun blue and build this weekend or next. 

 

Decisions decisions. Thought I was set for this bag but bbnfco decides to release 'gators' today.. Def a sign

 

 

Annnnnd maybe tmi, but I find myself smelling my hands and heads.. There is something addicting about that smell of raw metal. 

 

 

These irons look great! Do you know if they were bead blasted or similar?

[Valtiel]

17 hours ago, jmck said:

Re: tip weighting, it was a while ago so I'm not going to go digging for the thread, but IIRC Tom Wishon said that he did a bunch of Iron Byron testing and it took 20+ grams of tip weighting before they saw any real ball flight changes.

 

17 hours ago, rbpwrx said:

Eff Iron Byron. Humans can be surprisingly sensitive. I bought a set of King Forged MBs with KBS $-Taper 130s, but they felt surprisingly dead to me, and were missing right on good swings. Took them apart and found brass tip weights 6 to 14g in every shaft. Re-assembled w/o the weights, and voila! Crisp and light and true to swing. Night and day. My subjective experience: even a few grams in the hosel can make a noticeable difference to how they play.

 

16 hours ago, jmck said:

That's a static weight and/or swingweight issue you're describing, and personal to your swing and that particular build.

 

In context, the earlier discussion was about where the threshold is for tip weights measurably moving a club's COG after chrome removal.  

Yeah that is an important distinction there. No one would argue that 6-14g tip weights would be noticeable, that would fall into the "pretty obvious" category for most people and would definitely cause them to play differently. The question is without the human element that is influenced by the mere addition of weight and what that does to the swing/delivery, what does that weight actually do to the COG of the club and does that actually produce much of a flight difference. That's what jmck is referring to, and the purpose of answering that question is for folks needing to add large amounts of weight and their concerns over whether it messes with COG too much. 

[Russ757]

2 hours ago, ewaldbeukes said:

These irons look great! Do you know if they were bead blasted or similar?

They were stripped then brush finished 

[rbpwrx]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:34 AM, ChristopherMcDonald said:

Well, my guess would be those tip weights came from the factory and were to get them to a unified swing weight. I would be interested to see what they measured if you were to put them on a scale now. I would guess they are absolutely all over the place. 

Yes, they were clearly built for a pro/semi-pro at a pretty serious swingweight - D4 to D6 I'd guess. (Came with built-in Arccos.)
Doesn't work for me. I hate tip weights - throws off the COG and torque axis, and I'm not a believer in swingweight matching.
I DO like static weight to match. (And I do prefer a heavier-than-standard head.) But if I need extra weight in the head, lead tape or screw-ins are better, for me. I want it directly behind the strike.
The irons felt great without those tip weights, changing nothing else. AND, the results were much better. (Also guessing not too far off in swingweight - most of the tip weights were 10-12g.)
To each their own!

Edited March 17, 2022 by rbpwrx

[rbpwrx]

7 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Yeah that is an important distinction there. No one would argue that 6-14g tip weights would be noticeable, that would fall into the "pretty obvious" category for most people and would definitely cause them to play differently. The question is without the human element that is influenced by the mere addition of weight and what that does to the swing/delivery, what does that weight actually do to the COG of the club and does that actually produce much of a flight difference. That's what jmck is referring to, and the purpose of answering that question is for folks needing to add large amounts of weight and their concerns over whether it messes with COG too much. 

For me, the tip weights opened up the face noticeably. I was seeing right misses (which are rare for me - I fight lefts).
It actually was not a bad correction, and I could see why someone with a strong swing would want them built that way.
My personal preference is to start with a clean build, and see if it needs fine-tuning from there. YMMV.

[rbpwrx]

One set is my elderly MCT-97s. I play the 7 and 5i, but haven't finished grinding or shafting up the rest. Full set, 1i thru SW! And partially unground from the factory, so I can keep them a few grams heavier, like I like. (With a cameo from an MB2 7i and ole faithful Mizzy MP-T10 58°.).

[rbpwrx]

Honorable mention to matched set of Taylormade Fe3o2, 48, 54, 60 wedges. Back-up gamers shafted w/ vintage Precision Rifle 7.0 Spinners.

Edited March 17, 2022 by rbpwrx

[Jim E]

I’m starting to love this raw look and I have a set of 712 mb’s I’m thinking of doing this to. They have the rust wear face marks on them. Does it take off the worn out looking faces? 

[OrangeGravy]

What kind of oil options are there that work for raw heads and can any of them be used on the face/grooves without affecting play?

[marmaduk]

11 hours ago, OrangeGravy said:

What kind of oil options are there that work for raw heads and can any of them be used on the face/grooves without affecting play?

Baby oil will keep your clubs relatively rust free. It will not effect the face and play unless it’s dripping with oil. Just pour oil onto a rag then use the rag to cover the irons. 

[PeanutsDaddy]

11 hours ago, OrangeGravy said:

What kind of oil options are there that work for raw heads and can any of them be used on the face/grooves without affecting play?

I have had good success with Eezox gun oil, Sentry Solutions Marine Tuf cloths, and Putter Butter.  Also used to use WD40 with success.

 

The last image is of a Goodwood putter protected with Putter Butter.  
 

It’s important to be consistent with application if you intend to keep the rust at bay.  

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by PeanutsDaddy

[OrangeGravy]

Thanks all! 

[bladestriker]

On 3/18/2022 at 12:26 AM, OrangeGravy said:

What kind of oil options are there that work for raw heads and can any of them be used on the face/grooves without affecting play?

WD-40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor is the best I’ve found after doing some interwebs research and testing.

I’ve tried AeroKroil and EezOx and use those for other applications, but the WD-40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor is what I find best for raw clubs.

[rbpwrx]

Only 1/3rd raw, but my day-bag 3-club after-work set. So well-worn all 3 will soon be raw. 50° Vokey 250/8 w/ Rifle 7.0 Spinner, Spaldeen BOB 7i w/ X300, Adams 20° Proto w/ Tour Green 105H TX. Wouldn't trade any of them for a brand new anything, and they feel, strangely, like a matched set.

[rbpwrx]

Backup gamers. Adams MB2s 4i-GW, $-Taper 130Xs (gapper has a 125 S+). (Notice recent wear on the 9i - can finally see most of the ground up here in VT - got a handful of swings in the wild today!) Wedges are old 200-series Vokeys w/ 7.0 Spinners. Even the putter is raw (Plop 2-way blade)!

Edited March 25, 2022 by rbpwrx
typo

[pingnewbie]

Behold! 3-PW MP-32 set inspired by this thread. Oughton removed the heads and reinstalled for me, raw brushed finish, regrooved PW-7 and adjusted swingweight for all. It took a bit of turnaround time (about 6 weeks) and but he’s busy for a reason!

 

Now re-reading this thread for care tips.

Edited April 4, 2022 by pingnewbie

[HackZogan]

2 hours ago, pingnewbie said:

Behold! 3-PW MP-32 set inspired by this thread. Oughton removed the heads and reinstalled for me, raw brushed finish, regrooved PW-7 and adjusted swingweight for all. It took a bit of turnaround time (about 6 weeks) and but he’s busy for a reason!

 

Now re-reading this thread for care tips.

Thanks for posting the before and after pic with the browning. I've been contemplating picking up some older irons but didn't want to waste time and money stripping them if the grooves weren't able to be refinished as well. 

[autronicdsm]

Did anyone recently try to email Oughton? I keep getting bounced emails.

[hwturner17]

Does anyone know how to strip the finish off of a black odyssey DFX putter? 

[Inglewood]

On 4/4/2022 at 9:50 PM, autronicdsm said:

Did anyone recently try to email Oughton? I keep getting bounced emails.

Same here - emailed earlier this week and gmail gave me an undeliverable bounceback today.