2019 The Players Championship

[QuigleyDU]

Rory -3 through 8 and losing strokes on the greens. Definition of superior ball striking

 

I would disagree, he is hitting wedge into every green but is not realistically close enough to make the putts at a high volume. Definition of a sub par wedge game.

 

Strokes Gained Putting is a reflection of "makeability". If you're losing stokes on the greens, you're missing putts that your peers (avg. Tour player) makes on average.

 

I understand how it works. I just dont think that it tells the whole story is all.. It is well known that he has putting issues. I just think that many of those issues originate on the approach shot.

[Pent08]

Rory's proximity to the hole has him at T33 ytd. Last year he was T49...hardly one of the best.

 

Edit: especially if he supposedly has wedge or short iron into all of these greens.

APPROACHES FROM 75-100 YARDS 13' 10" 7TH APPROACHES FROM 100-125 YARDS 17' 5" 15TH APPROACHES FROM 50-125 YARDS 16' 4" 8TH APPROACHES FROM 125-150 YARDS 19' 5" 2ND

[Golfnutgalen]

Rory's proximity to the hole has him at T33 ytd. Last year he was T49...hardly one of the best.

 

Edit: especially if he supposedly has wedge or short iron into all of these greens.

 

33rd sounds amazing compared to Brooks Koepka (193rd), Adam Scott (198), and Tommy Fleetwood (183rd).

[Pent08]

Rory's proximity to the hole has him at T33 ytd. Last year he was T49...hardly one of the best.

 

Edit: especially if he supposedly has wedge or short iron into all of these greens.

 

2018 wedge stats

 

75-100 : 7th

100-125 : 15th

50-125 : 8th

125-150 : 2nd

[OldTomMorris]

Justin Rose is having a tough time, very wild.

[moegolfer11]

Rory's proximity to the hole has him at T33 ytd. Last year he was T49...hardly one of the best.

 

Edit: especially if he supposedly has wedge or short iron into all of these greens.

 

2018 wedge stats

 

75-100 : 7th

100-125 : 15th

50-125 : 8th

125-150 : 2nd

 

The problem is both. Proximity to hole, and putting/conversion. It's all about conversion.

[2putttom]

How about this guy?

Next Tiger?

 

 

 

 

Oh Gawd No !

 

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[bb822]

Rory -3 through 8 and losing strokes on the greens. Definition of superior ball striking

 

I would disagree, he is hitting wedge into every green but is not realistically close enough to make the putts at a high volume. Definition of a sub par wedge game.

 

Strokes Gained Putting is a reflection of "makeability". If you're losing stokes on the greens, you're missing putts that your peers (avg. Tour player) makes on average.

 

I understand how it works. I just dont think that it tells the whole story is all.. It is well known that he has putting issues. I just think that many of those issues originate on the approach shot.

 

Not sure if I follow the reasoning then since he's +1.1 SG Approach so far. He's approaching the green very well, just not making the putts.

[Golfnutgalen]

Phil!! 4-putting like that won't help his SG stats...

[MilkyButterCuts]

Phil!! 4-putting like that won't help his SG stats...

 

Should've listened to his all knowing self and stayed home.

[deadsolid...shank]

Rory -3 through 8 and losing strokes on the greens. Definition of superior ball striking

 

I would disagree, he is hitting wedge into every green but is not realistically close enough to make the putts at a high volume. Definition of a sub par wedge game.

 

Strokes Gained Putting is a reflection of "makeability". If you're losing stokes on the greens, you're missing putts that your peers (avg. Tour player) makes on average.

 

I understand how it works. I just dont think that it tells the whole story is all.. It is well known that he has putting issues. I just think that many of those issues originate on the approach shot.

 

Not sure if I follow the reasoning then since he's +1.1 SG Approach so far. He's approaching the green very well, just not making the putts.

 

Again, for probably the 1,000th time (I’ve been involved in way too many of these stat discussions), the four and seven foot putts he missed are different than every other four and seven foot putt taken out there today. The stats want to lump them all together like they’re all the same, when we all know (let’s think Augusta) that two putts of the same length can have wild variations in difficulty, and makeability.

 

I’m not saying his today were anything out of the ordinary, just that simply comparing against the field just based on length doesn’t account for way too many variables.

[pmadden86]

Rory flies it 10yrds over the green from 94yards middle of fairway - standard.

[Frankensteins Monster]

When Rory does those very flat, cut off wedge shots, he's pretty poor.

[nosedive32]

Phil's Triple at 3 followed by whatever the heck that birdie was at 4 are about as Phil as it gets.

[Golfnutgalen]

When Rory does those very flat, cut off wedge shots, he's pretty poor.

 

And people keep asking him to hit more of those less than full wedge shots. In my unprofessional opinion he accelerates too hard on those leading to mediocre distance control.

[MilkyButterCuts]

Just saw video of Tiger warming up.... looks windy as s***.

[Frankensteins Monster]

Past two weeks, these featured groups have played like hot garbage.

[HitEmTrue]

When Rory does those very flat, cut off wedge shots, he's pretty poor.

 

And people keep asking him to hit more of those less than full wedge shots. In my unprofessional opinion he accelerates too hard on those leading to mediocre distance control.

 

Unless shot tracker is incorrect, most of his miss on the fourth hole was directional, not distance...missed to the right of the green.

[Golfnutgalen]

Past two weeks, these featured groups have played like hot garbage.

 

Rory is still good, even though it always feels like he should be shooting much lower.

 

speaking of proximity stats from earlier, Jason Day has been poor for his entire career except for 2014 when he ranked 60th. Every other season has been around 150th. I remember the announcers discussing his poor iron play last season, but that has actually been his norm. Phenomenal putter though, makes up for a few deficiencies.

[the bishop]

When Rory does those very flat, cut off wedge shots, he's pretty poor.

Are you in mourning or something FM? What's with the black square for an avatar.

[moegolfer11]

Looks like JT and JR went a little matchy matchy on the clothes today.

[third-times-a-charm]

JT and Rose matching clothes today...wonder if they planned it

 

Looks like JT and JR went a little matchy matchy on the clothes today.

 

LOL I just posted that

 

Also look like Phil has checked out mentally. He wont make it to the weekend. guess he cant blame it on Bay Hill's conditions after all.

[bscinstnct]

[bb822]

 

I would disagree, he is hitting wedge into every green but is not realistically close enough to make the putts at a high volume. Definition of a sub par wedge game.

 

Strokes Gained Putting is a reflection of "makeability". If you're losing stokes on the greens, you're missing putts that your peers (avg. Tour player) makes on average.

 

I understand how it works. I just dont think that it tells the whole story is all.. It is well known that he has putting issues. I just think that many of those issues originate on the approach shot.

 

Not sure if I follow the reasoning then since he's +1.1 SG Approach so far. He's approaching the green very well, just not making the putts.

 

Again, for probably the 1,000th time (I’ve been involved in way too many of these stat discussions��), the four and seven foot putts he missed are different than every other four and seven foot putt taken out there today. The stats want to lump them all together like they’re all the same, when we all know (let’s think Augusta) that two putts of the same length can have wild variations in difficulty, and makeability.

 

I’m not saying his today were anything out of the ordinary, just that simply comparing against the field just based on length doesn’t account for way too many variables.

 

I mean I know statistics have their shortcomings, but people are way too quick to dismiss them with "what-ifs" and edge cases.

 

For example, PGA Tour pros expect to make a 6 foot putt ~70% of the time. Even the worst of sidehill lies only drops that make % rate to ~57%. It matters, but for the most part SG is a great and revealing stat.

[Debow]

Great bounce for Tiger on the first hole!

[BiggErn]

Somebody took one for the team for Tiger

[deadsolid...shank]

Tiger with a great break right out of the gate.

[pingbling23]

Looks like the tiger of old. Hits it 30 yards off line, bounces off someone , and has a perfect lie/line now.

[deadsolid...shank]

Did GatorMD station himself there purposely!?

[drn92]

Rory's proximity to the hole has him at T33 ytd. Last year he was T49...hardly one of the best.

 

Edit: especially if he supposedly has wedge or short iron into all of these greens.

 

So ... what you are saying is a guy who is in the top 33 golfers in the world, where the difference between his current ranking and the next one up is probably less than a foot, is hardly one of the best?

 

drn92