The New Ventus Black

[Z1ggy16]

I have a 6x coming hopefully by the end of the week to test in my new Cobra SZ Xtreme. 2020 is the year of "max forgiveness" for me.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Go to their website, it’s on there as well.

Driver and 3 wood are recommended untipped.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

https://fujikuragolf.com/tip-trimming

[keith723]

Dang it! Oh well - it plays well so at least it’s working for me

 

thx for posting this!

[jgreer1421]

Have a Ventus black 7x with a mavrik sz 10.5. Golf pride cp2 pro midsize. I have the playing length at 45.25”. My local shop measured the sw at D5.5 with the two standard(14g & 2g) weights in it. Does that sw seem accurate? I was expecting it to be a bit lighter with a shorter length...I know it’s not that much shorter. Thought I read Callaway’s updated standard length is actually 45.5 vs the 45.75 posted on their site, which would then make sense to me with the standard sw being D3.

Anyone have the same setup and can confirm?

 

[third-times-a-charm]

Playing it .25" short in theory should make the driver 1.5SW lower, not counting the fact that the Ventus will make it SW lower to begin with due to the higher balance point than any of the stock shafts.

I play my EF with Ventus Black at 44.75" and with the stock weight it's below D0 - I have to add almost 14G to get it back up.

[jgreer1421]

Which is how I understood it. Even if the standard length being 45.5, I’m confused on how the sw could be +2.5 when playing shorter. the builder thought the Ventus was heavier at the tip, which you’re saying is opposite. In theory, and please correct me if I’m wrong.

Assuming starting length is 45.5 and D3., standard tour velvet grip.

-.25” should bring club to D1.5, then the grip is 64 grams, 13 grams more than the standard tour velvet. Which should then bring the sw back back about D3.5. Am I missing something or did the builder weigh it incorrectly? Or simply a quality control issue that possibly got a heavier head?

[third-times-a-charm]

A heavier grip will make the club SW lighter, not heavier. You would have to add more weight to the head if the grip is heavier.

[ry1808]

A couple of moths ago I swapped out my Tensei Orange for a Ventus Black 7X in a SIM driver. This thing has given me so much more confidence with the driver, amazing shaft. So long and straight.

 

My question is, for people that play this shaft in their driver, what do you play in a 3 wood? I currently have a Tensei White in my M5 and it works good but I always thought the Orange worked well in my driver until I hit the Ventus!!

 

With my preference for a heavy shaft and an X flex there are not many fitting centers that carry something I can demo.

[cw1209]

If the Ventus Black has been working well for you vs Tensei Orange, I would be looking for something with a stiff handle section. I have been gaming an AD TP 8X with good success. I think a Diamana BF 80 and Tensei Pro Blue would also work well in a 3 wood.

[rtraudt]

Any major differences between the 6x and 7x in the black or blue profiles? I’ve only had a chance to hit the Blue 6x but it was on a 45.5” build, and I normally play 44” so was planning on going 7x most likely. Also, has anyone noticed a significant fade bias of the Black when compared to the Blue, or has the tip stiffness of the Blue somewhat negated a possible major difference? I already play a cut, so it’s not as if I need a significant amount of help taking the left side out of play...

[AtlantaGolf3]

I’ve played the Blue 6x in my 9° EF head turned down to 8° and I’ve been ecstatic at the results. I am not the fastest swinger and I’ve get a mid-fast swing speed. When I lay into it, I probably can hit 114, but more commonly average 109-112. It’s surprisingly very smooth and you are able to feel the kick of the shaft. When I into a swing I you get toe strikes/over draws. Not really a hook, but a little left of comfort. I am not a super high spin player and create a lot of launch through hitting up on the ball I typically don’t need to drop spin. It can get just too low.

Out of shear curiosity, I bought a Black 6x to see how it performed in a side by side comparison. I was worried that I wouldn’t be able to power up the shaft on a regular basis. I also worried the spin would drop off to where the ball would travel nowhere.

I’ve been blown away by how stable the shaft feels on all swings. Both controlled, slower swings and going all out for it. The flight is towering and longer than the blue. Higher flight and less lateral curvature than the blue 6x and further carry. Only slight draw left on my typical toe hit. Heel side was a straight push but only 10-15 yards to the right. Right push dropped a little carry distance, but consistently put the ball in play.

I don’t have the data on the black, but the gave me spin around 2,150-2400. I am guessing the Black would be around 2k, but most people on these threads would be able to tell me differently.

Most importantly I am able to find the center of the face more consistently and my misses are not as drastic.

 

[Ryan5508]

Can someone one confirm the ventus black pictured has been tipped an inch. Guy on here said it wasn't and he ordered it untipped but my blue is much longer from the E to the adapter. Thanks guys!

[Valtiel]

The only significant difference with the Ventus as you go up in weight/flex is with the balance point. It gets higher very quickly in some of the models, so a 7x will swingweight lighter than a 6x in either shaft and you may have to experiment with headweight for it to feel right if you're sensitive to such things.

Unless there is any documentation suggesting that the graphic placement is inconsistent between models then it would appear it is definitely tipped. I would ask him if he originally ordered it from Taylormade (despite the Ping adaptor which he could have changed it to) as they will tip 1" as stock unless you actively specify that you want the shaft 1" soft, which means no tipping.

[Ryan5508]

I still have not hit it yet but is there going to be a noticeable impact on anything with it being tipped?

 

Everything I have read sounds like you should not tip this shaft.

 

I am around 112-114 swing speed for reference. Just swinging it in the yard its definitely stiffer than the blue is.

 

[Its_KBO.]

Playing the 7x tipped 1" in a 9 degree sim head and it is a cannon. Very anti left. The manufacture recommendation for tipping is similar to the speed limit in the states. A suggestion not a requirement.

[bward]

Yes, it is tipped. I have a blue and a black and the graphics line up on them.

[Valtiel]

Swinging in the yard you are likely feeling much more of the mid section differences in the shaft than anything else. Tipping is a very personal thing and is completely dependent on feel and swing type. 112-114mph with an aggressive, late release could be just fine, especially if you are looking for anti-left. If you're a smoother swinger or don't have an aggressive tempo then it may feel too tight, but you won't know until you try as its all guesses on paper.

[Guest]

I recieved my Ventus black 6X and am playing a Taylormade M5. Im playing it at 45.5". I had to add around 25g of lead tape under the grip to get the driver swing weight to play as a D2. Is this normal? It is the aftermarket shaft with velecore. I have added no weight to the M5 head and it weighs in at 198g. The grip is golf pride which weighs in at 48g.

[rtraudt]

25g of lead tape? That sounds quite abnormal. What type of swingweight scale are you using? Does it typically provide accurate or consistent results for you? Holding the club, does it feel like D2? Or does it feel like a sledgehammer? Is the length actually 45.5"?

[Valtiel]

Something must be slightly off here. First, 25g of lead tape under the grip will "drop" the swingweight by about ~5 points depending on placement. You haven't actually dropped the swing weight, just added counter balance to trick the scale, the driver will still be heavy. Second, 198g is on the slightly heavier side of normal for a current TM head, but it still does not account for the fact that you would have be measuring around D7 after shortening the stock length 1/4". Either your scale is off, your length measurement is off, your head weight measurement is off, or the amount of lead tape you added was not 25g. Potentially a combination of these. How are you measuring everything?

[ipb123]

Just purchased a Mavrik with a Ventus Black Velocore 6x Shaft from Club Champion. Untipped, D5 Swing Weight, 45 Inches.

My driver SS is ~119MPH with a pretty aggressive transition. In my first two rounds with the Ventus Black 6x, my misses are consistently hooks. How does one consider moving to the Ventus Black 7x, versus. tipping the 6x that I already own?

[be0972]

I have the same set up as you, but I haven’t added any weight under the grip. I’m playing it at D6 and love it! I’ve thought about getting smaller weights for the head, but everything is working right now, so I’m going to leave it alone.

[Valtiel]

You would tip a 6x if you like the weight but want a slightly firmer feel. You would move to the 7x if the driver felt light and you wanted more static weight to help with tempo. You could also add head weight but this will feel different, the only way to find the right answer is to experiment. Add 10g of lead tape down the back side of the shaft right below the grip, this will simulate an increase in shaft weight, but the 7x also has a higher balance point so try to keep the lead tape strips shorter and stack them more to simulate that as well. Then you can rip that tape off and apply some of it to the head to get a feel for how that differs. Experiment with as many permutations of this as you can and take note of how your flight does or does not change and how the club feels overall. If you don't really experience any change then you likely have a swing flaw that is overriding everything and you'll need to focus on that.

[ipb123]

Just purchased a Mavrik with a Ventus Black Velocore 6x Shaft from Club Champion. Untipped, D5 Swing Weight, 45 Inches.

My driver SS is ~119MPH with a pretty aggressive transition. In my first two rounds with the Ventus Black 6x, my misses are consistently hooks. How does one consider moving to the Ventus Black 7x, versus. tipping the 6x that I already own?

[t4t3r]

Just because it often gets lost in the thread and it will be searched many times over in the future, measurement from tip to the "E" in Velocore on both the Blue and Black Ventus is approximately 4." Most adapters will add approximately 3/8-1/2."

Back to the thread - I have been trying for the second go-around to get along with an untipped Ventus Blue 6x for the past month because while it is a cannon about 50% of the time, the other 50% it misses both ways. Just a little too unpredictable for me. I originally ordered my SIM with an untipped Ventus Black 6x but hadn't gotten around to cutting it down to my preferred length until this weekend. Put it in play yesterday and it was absolutely awesome. Not the first time I had tested it out, but the first time at my preferred length/swingweight which made all the difference. Still a mid-high flight but incredibly consistent window on every swing which is something I struggled with in the Blue. Toe hits which is my typical miss were much more controllable and were more of a medium draw instead of a hook. That is with stock weight settings on my SIM so that gives me the chance to move the weight out a little more towards the toe and neutralize that miss - will have to test this. I do think a little tipping in the Blue would help to tame it, but I think the Black is a much better fit and will be in the bag going forward.

[reamr87]

I think Mavrik sells an adapter with a flatter lie angle, which could help. Not sure what the loft is on your driver, but could turn the loft down to open the face. If you’re open to switching heads, standard Sim with weight moved towards the toe helps a lot of people. 7x will make the swing weight go up, and you’re already at D5.

[reamr87]

Forgot to mention, making the lie angle flatter also will add to swing weight.

[cw1209]

I'm seeing this shaft show up in more and more tour bags. Add Daniel Berger and Tommy Fleetwood to the list.

[jgreer1421]

You still gaming the Ventus vs the PO? I recently sold my ventus black and put in the new AV RAW orange. Only 1 range session with the orange and hit the black in a simulator. Initially, seem to think ventus feels better and a bit smoother, but interested to hear others thoughts with some more experience with both. It was my first time swinging this year, so certainly some user error is in play...

 

Playing w/ the 14g and 6g weights(swapped 2g) in my mavrik sz 10.5. turned down to 9.5 in draw setting. Seems a bit inconsistent but, but really like the mid/higher ball flight on it and jumps when I get it right, assuming the spin is staying down....which I haven't put on a trust worthy launch monitor with either since I started using the 10.5 head. Was right around 2,000 rpms with the 9* sz head with a hzrdus yellow shaft.