Why does everything Bryson hits go left or straight?

[Justsomeguy]

Subject line says it all. I'd love to be able to do this.

[dlygrisse]

Club face is square at impact, club is on plane. 

[NoTalentLefty]

Left ? Swinging out of his shoes. And it’s beautiful to behold. 

[Justsomeguy]

7 minutes ago, NoTalentLefty said:

Left ? Swinging out of his shoes. And it’s beautiful to behold. 

I just admire that he's mostly taken the right side of every shot out of play on nearly every ball he hits.

[cardoustie]

One way miss = one of this games secrets 

[David69]

The astonishing thing is that the loft on his driver is so low which opens the face, and the Jumbomax grips are so large which promotes a weak grip. all of which promotes an open club face, yet he manages to keep it square and still not shoot everything right. When I try that setup I feel like I am slapping across the ball and it either pushes or worse slices way right if I really go after it. Not sure how he gets the face closed to go left. tremendous win today. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by David69

[Hawkeye77]

Some people who are now eating their words would have said because he's never right about anything, lol.

[games]

Grip of the club:  Held more in the palm, reduces clubhead rotation, but still maintains stability at impact.

 

Stance:  Stands close to the ball with very upright lies, with all irons and wedges same length.

 

Talent and Dedication:  These are world-class athletes.  Multiply his talent with his dedication to improvement, both physically and mentally. 

 

Practice:  Single-length irons come with a separate benefit:  You don't have to practice all of them as they're all the same.  Allows you to spend more time practicing hitting driver so you can destroy long par 4s with 350+ yard drives in the heat of competition.

[games]

1 hour ago, David69 said:

The astonishing thing is that the loft on his driver is so low which opens the face, and the Jumbomax grips are so large which promotes a weak grip. all of which promotes an open club face, yet he manages to keep it square and still not shoot everything right. When I try that setup I feel like I am slapping across the ball and it either pushes or worse slices way right if I really go after it. Not sure how he gets the face closed to go left. tremendous win today. 

 

Regarding the Jumbomax, you can still strengthen and weaken grip.  It's just a matter of holding the club more in palm and less with fingers.  Although for Bryson it is a little different.  He holds the grip in the right hand lifeline.  (I think both lifelines, but definitely the right lifeline for certain.)  His trail forearm and the shaft form a straight line significantly enhances accuracy.

 

The grip and swing setup is a form of Moe Norman-based "single axis golf."  One brand was "Natural Golf" but there have been others, including a current iteration called Setup 4 Impact.  Ironically, the knock on this model has traditionally been loss of distance!  

Edited September 21, 2020 by games

[chipa]

Hogan played with an open clubface with a flat swing and could hit a draw. Watching Bryson's hands through impact its clear he's using them to the max as Hogan recommended, in spite of the fact that he has large grips. Looking at the angle of his knuckles of the left hand at the top of the swing he still has the club plently enough in the fingers, but that shoulder be expected as he has his left wrist very extended and pushing away from him at address and continues to push the arm and hand away. He also drops the right arm in and gets the right hand in a very good position, it's easy to hit close the clubface from there.

 

I think his swing is similar to Moe Norman's with the one plane swing. I think many believe that Moe played with a ten finger grip and the Natural Golf right hand palm grip but I have read he just did that for sponsorship. Plus look at Moe's right hand position before impact, that hard to do with a right hand palm grip. 

[David69]

I’d like to find a good picture or video of his hands at setup, particularly the left. I’m sure there will be all kinds of articles and vids about it with this major win. I’m assuming he’s using the exact same setup with all his clubs. 

[games]

Check out Kirk Junge's video analyses of BDC, I think all done pre-bulk.  Should still give you an idea of the current iron grip, stance, and swing. 

 

However, more recent analysis suggests driver has changed to be more in line with conventional two-plane characteristics.  I think his grip still minimizes clubface rotation, but he's added a bit of "loop" found in the traditional swing.

[CB67]

The closest views I could find but I didn’t look long there’s probably a better picture out there. 

[LCP]

I switched to his swing with my woods and driver about six weeks ago. (I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! -- 70% STRAIGHTER AND NO LOWER BACK PAIN OR GOLFER'S ELBOW -- ALL GONE NOW!! AND HANDICAP HAS DROPPED 2 SHOTS [3 shots really--but I had ballooned up badly in the two weeks prior] IN THAT TIME AND I'VE GOT MORE TO GO).  Bryson really seems to stay planted on his rear foot.  That requires weight on it.  That makes it go left.  Also a little bit forward of middle ball position with this swing sends it left.  And it does it with a high positive angle of attack.  That explains his 5.5º driver.  I might be missing 20mph of his swing speed, but I hit some HIGH shots now.  So much that I'm looking for lower flight with a 7.5º G410 Plus/Ventus Black 7X and 12º G400 Stretch "3 wood"/Speeder 869 8.2X.  As a result I'm trying to keep weight forward some (a big fault of mine is over swinging on the backswing and hanging back on my rear foot) to reduce the upward angle of attack, but the problem with keeping the weight forward is that it introduces a miss to the right.  Keeping his weight planted on his rear foot is why he goes left.  If I'm gonna do that, I need to start playing 3.5" tees with my driver.  My hits are all super-low on the face if I don't try to force weight to the front foot.

Edited September 21, 2020 by LCP

[David69]

Those grip pics show a very weak, thumb straight down top of club one knuckle grip. And with very little club face manipulation I would guess that this setup naturally adds loft with a natural open club face. So with the lower loft on the driver and hitting up, things must even it out a bit. 

[Tax77]

Difficult to hold the club in both palms with a standard grip, easy with the left, the right feels very uncomfortable unless you split the hands up. Winter is nearly here, might buy a jumbo and play around. 

[sshadow2]

2 hours ago, LCP said:

I switched to his swing with my woods and driver about six weeks ago. (I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! -- 70% STRAIGHTER AND NO LOWER BACK PAIN OR GOLFER'S ELBOW -- ALL GONE NOW!! AND HANDICAP HAS DROPPED 2 SHOTS [3 shots really--but I had ballooned up badly in the two weeks prior] IN THAT TIME AND I'VE GOT MORE TO GO).  Bryson really seems to stay planted on his rear foot.  That requires weight on it.  That makes it go left.  Also a little bit forward of middle ball position with this swing sends it left.  And it does it with a high positive angle of attack.  That explains his 5.5º driver.  I might be missing 20mph of his swing speed, but I hit some HIGH shots now.  So much that I'm looking for lower flight with a 7.5º G410 Plus/Ventus Black 7X and 12º G400 Stretch "3 wood"/Speeder 869 8.2X.  As a result I'm trying to keep weight forward some (a big fault of mine is over swinging on the backswing and hanging back on my rear foot) to reduce the upward angle of attack, but the problem with keeping the weight forward is that it introduces a miss to the right.  Keeping his weight planted on his rear foot is why he goes left.  If I'm gonna do that, I need to start playing 3.5" tees with my driver.  My hits are all super-low on the face if I don't try to force weight to the front foot.

i did the same a few months back, and got similar results. Greatest step I made this year. Now, I've transitioned throughout my bag using Junge's method.

 

Still trying to work out all these changes, but teeing a bit higher while moving the ball back a smidge usual helps me. I don't move my weight a bit forward, the weight remains to the rear with all tee shots and I only get to the front by the momentum of the swing.

 

Results: I get my 3w today to the distance of my driver 3 months ago.

 

[dlygrisse]

It appears the left hand is very weak while the right hand is very neutral. He’s slinging the right hand while the left is in a position not to roll over. Just my take. 

[chipa]

7 minutes ago, dlygrisse said:

It appears the left hand is very weak while the right hand is very neutral. He’s slinging the right hand while the left is in a position not to roll over. Just my take. 

 

Any slow motion video of Bryson will show the left arm/hand is rolling over but since it's a weak grip it doesn't generally roll over too much.

[chipa]

A single plane swing might be better for accuracy but Bryson didn't hit his drives so straight so maybe not so much. It may help people who let go of the club during the takeaway or who have a severe in to out move.

 

Also, a single swing plane won't help pick up yardage either as Bryson swung hard than 6 or 7 other pro's that outdrove him. 

[SwingBlues]

"Eliminate the variables" ?

 

Not just the driver. His entire golf game

Edited September 21, 2020 by SwingBlues

[Myherobobhope]

I’d really like to see his swing path numbers compared to other pros... I feel like his setup is designed for a more consistent swing path to reduce spin variation... then it’s just a matter of face angle at impact to hit the ball on his target line..

 

thats my current operating theory.

[gators78]

22 hours ago, chipa said:

 

Any slow motion video of Bryson will show the left arm/hand is rolling over but since it's a weak grip it doesn't generally roll over too much.

 

I can't imagine this, it almost has to feel like your left thumb is pointing at the target at impact. 

[games]

@gators78Thanks for the pic!  That's really interesting.  His left thumb is sitting on the index and or middle finger of his right hand.

 

I wonder if those are really XL Jumbomax grips on driver.  If they are, his hands must be HUGE.

[me05501]

On 9/20/2020 at 10:16 PM, David69 said:

Those grip pics show a very weak, thumb straight down top of club one knuckle grip. And with very little club face manipulation I would guess that this setup naturally adds loft with a natural open club face. So with the lower loft on the driver and hitting up, things must even it out a bit. 

 

Super upright lie also helps it stay left. 

[Zitlow]

Bryson has a punch elbow which is an indication on what's driving his swing. 

 

[pinhigh27]

On 9/20/2020 at 7:32 PM, David69 said:

The astonishing thing is that the loft on his driver is so low which opens the face, and the Jumbomax grips are so large which promotes a weak grip. all of which promotes an open club face, yet he manages to keep it square and still not shoot everything right. When I try that setup I feel like I am slapping across the ball and it either pushes or worse slices way right if I really go after it. Not sure how he gets the face closed to go left. tremendous win today. 

How does low loft open the face ?

[New_age99]

I’ve read that a few people have had success changing to Brysons style of set up and have been hitting it a lot more consistent. 
 

I fooled around with it a bit and was hitting huge blocks the entire time then near the end of the session started duck hooking as overcompensation. 

It felt like I was keeping the wrists so quiet though. Any ideas what I’m messing up that a coupe of you others here have been nailing down since trying?

 

My driver is my weakness and I hit the rest of my clubs relatively well and I was hoping the Bryson style could be a new hope for finally putting the driver back in the bag. 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by New_age99

[David69]

39 minutes ago, pinhigh27 said:

How does low loft open the face ?

Lower lofted clubs sit more open naturally. That is why your 9i is visibly more closed at address than your 5i. It is how adjustable hosels work too. 

 

 

[New_age99]

3 hours ago, New_age99 said:

I’ve read that a few people have had success changing to Brysons style of set up and have been hitting it a lot more consistent. 
 

I fooled around with it a bit and was hitting huge blocks the entire time then near the end of the session started duck hooking as overcompensation. 

It felt like I was keeping the wrists so quiet though. Any ideas what I’m messing up that a coupe of you others here have been nailing down since trying?

 

My driver is my weakness and I hit the rest of my clubs relatively well and I was hoping the Bryson style could be a new hope for finally putting the driver back in the bag. 

 

Just thinking out load . Could this have been caused due to not having my hands forward / leading through impact ? I just watched a Kirk Junge video and he advocates the hands / grip leading the strike at impact and I feel like I was definitely not doing that on the range. 
 

It seems like this would keep my club face square for longer during the low point of the swing. 
 

I’ll have to try it out once hurricane Teddy passes.