LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[Cactus Jack]

Harmon on fire. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brooks-koepka-coach-blasts-media-170035373.html

 

Heres a take on the Ryder Cup. 
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/un-american-leave-brooks-koepka-153340084.html

Edited May 24, 2023 by Cactus Jack

[Cactus Jack]

2 hours ago, golfheaven69 said:

No one is denying there are a handful of really good players in the Saudi League. Along with a ton of has beens chasing the dollar. The panic is setting in for the top guys and now is not the time for the PGA Tour to give them an inch. The guys who left took the cash now want equal treatment from the US Tour. Continue to put the screws to them until the Saudi League crashes and they have no where to turn. They can count their cash. 

LIV Golf, not the “Saudi League.”
 

Nobody to wants to return to the PGAT. Folks want a fair and equitable shot to qualify for the majors. 

[bladehunter]

9 hours ago, HackerDad78 said:

A few things became clear to me over the weekend watching Brooks win. 

 

1. He's a competitor and shows up for the biggest events. It seems to me he's back, but LIV had absolutely nothing to do with his win.  He earned his way to the Tour originally grinding it out through the ranks.  It's there, not LIV, that he learned how to close. Nothing but respect for how he earned his way to the top.

 

2. I don't see how his win "validates" LIV. He got paid a boat load of money up front. Getting beaten by CH3 and others doesn't tell me they can compete.  They played against him for years and couldn't sniff a major win with the likes of Brooks and others in the field. He didn't care about regular PGAt events, so the fact that he's winning LIV events tells me the level of competition is even lower. At least that's how I see it. 

 

3. Brooks has even hinted as much, but if he wasn't injured and in the mental state he was in when he signed, that decision could have gone different.  Not saying he regrets it, but his decision came at a low point, not a high in his career. 

 

I'll continue enjoying watching him play in majors, along with anyone else who has earned their right to be there.  But it in no way does his win excite me, or the general public, to tune in to watch LIV from my POV. It just simply reinforces how good the competition is at majors. 
 

 

I almost wonder if he won’t be the first reverse defector ?    

[brutus27]

53 minutes ago, Cactus Jack said:

Harmon on fire. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brooks-koepka-coach-blasts-media-170035373.html

 

Heres a take on the Ryder Cup. 
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/un-american-leave-brooks-koepka-153340084.html

Interesting thought provoking articles. 

[mosesgolf]

1 hour ago, Cactus Jack said:

Harmon on fire. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brooks-koepka-coach-blasts-media-170035373.html

 

Heres a take on the Ryder Cup. 
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/un-american-leave-brooks-koepka-153340084.html

I say let BK play on Ryder Cup team.  It would be a travesty to keep him off the team.  

[HomaComa]

4 hours ago, soap1984 said:

Mediocre how? Every week they play you get the best players playing. You can't hold liv to a standard you don't hold the tour to...most tour events are completely unwatchable so I don't really get how you could say it's inferior on average. 

 

I could name a handful of reasons why LIV is inferior:

 

1. Lack of Cuts

2. Crappy Venues

3. Guys just don't care

4. Also you can't say a tour has some of the best players in the world when Chase Koepka and Pat Perez are playing in every event.

 

Also why can't we hold LIV on the same pedestal as the tour? LIV wants OWGR points and other perks that come with the tour but they refuse to even make an effort to meet the requirements.

Edited May 24, 2023 by HomaComa

[Hawkeye77]

43 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I almost wonder if he won’t be the first reverse defector ?    

I honestly think the injury let him have it both ways and gave him a plausible excuse which he's used in hindsight and it's created the defector vibe, but no way his brother gets LIV $$$ without Brooks going.  I think he was happy to make his bed with LIV and no regrets that I've seen him express.  

 

This Ryder Cup stuff is over the top, lol.  Lots of time to go yet and I think if he has the points he's probably in automatically and he probably will have the points.

 

The rest of the Saudi Leaguers? Not likely IMO and most of them the team is better without from a team point of view.

[pingbling23]

2 hours ago, HomaComa said:

 

I could name a handful of reasons why LIV is inferior:

 

1. Lack of Cuts

2. Crappy Venues

3. Guys just don't care

4. Also you can't say a tour has some of the best players in the world when Chase Koepka and Pat Perez are playing in every event.

 

Also why can't we hold LIV on the same pedestal as the tour? LIV wants OWGR points and other perks that come with the tour but they refuse to even make an effort to meet the requirements.

Crappy venues?  Guys don’t care?  Pat Perez held his pga tour card for what 20 years.  

[Ghostwedge]

2 hours ago, HomaComa said:

 

I could name a handful of reasons why LIV is inferior:

 

1. Lack of Cuts

2. Crappy Venues

3. Guys just don't care

4. Also you can't say a tour has some of the best players in the world when Chase Koepka and Pat Perez are playing in every event.

 

Also why can't we hold LIV on the same pedestal as the tour? LIV wants OWGR points and other perks that come with the tour but they refuse to even make an effort to meet the requirements.

1. I'll give you that.

2. Try again, Trump courses are world class.

3. They're Professionals they care, they perform or lose their status.

4. Perez had a Tour card forever just like JJ Spain and Luke Donald do now.

 

Maybe the requirements need to be tweaked.....

 

[Dicka]

18 hours ago, GreatStrike said:

 

Wouldn't it be nice if Jay Monahan was man enough to reciprocate and congratulate the 2023 PGA Championship winner, Brooks Koepka?  

 

 

Why? Why would anyone get their knickers in a twist over what Monahan may or may not have said? The narrative just feeds the BS.

[MoeMoe]

Sergio goes out and shoots 66 66 to qualify for the US Open. 

[Bye]

8 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

Folks want a fair and equitable shot to qualify for the majors. 

There is a system. It seems there is an expectation that the system will just adapt. 

 

Garcia has just gone through qualifying for the US Open. They can go to Open Qualifying if they want to. 

[dcmidnight]

8 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

I say let BK play on Ryder Cup team.  It would be a travesty to keep him off the team.  

 

If he qualifies I absolutely agree. Thing is, I think he needs to Top 3 or so in the last two majors to make it. There are just too many points up for grabs between now and then and IMO he cant afford one bad major.

[bladehunter]

8 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I honestly think the injury let him have it both ways and gave him a plausible excuse which he's used in hindsight and it's created the defector vibe, but no way his brother gets LIV $$$ without Brooks going.  I think he was happy to make his bed with LIV and no regrets that I've seen him express.  

 

This Ryder Cup stuff is over the top, lol.  Lots of time to go yet and I think if he has the points he's probably in automatically and he probably will have the points.

 

The rest of the Saudi Leaguers? Not likely IMO and most of them the team is better without from a team point of view.

Yep. Agree.  I think if he qualifies on points he’s in. But I don’t think they choose anyone else. Why would they ? There’s plenty of options for picks on the us side. 
 

definitely forgot about chase.   For sure he’s instantly unemployed if brother leaves.   

[bladehunter]

10 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

Harmon on fire. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brooks-koepka-coach-blasts-media-170035373.html

 

Heres a take on the Ryder Cup. 
 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/un-american-leave-brooks-koepka-153340084.html

The response to Claude is easy.  
 

when brooks left to go to the SL he was washed up.  As in injured.  It made sense to take the money for retirement purposes.  And to be his brothers meal ticket.  I understood him leaving more than most.  So Claude whining about people saying that is nonsense.  It is the truth.  It’s changed now for the better. But there was no guarantee it would at that time. 
 

and his take on why folks don’t like the SL isn’t all of the story.  It’s not even most of the story.  The saudi connection is but a blip on the radar of reasons.  The true dislike comes from the format.  the evidence to support this is the fact that tours have played for the Saudis for years , and there’s been no large scale uprising about it.  It’s true that this is an attempt to buy a sport for clout and image repair.  But most don’t care about that nearly as much as they do the format and imagery that the SL . 
 

by that I mean the party atmosphere, the music crap , the encouragement of drunken sailor patrons , the shotgun start and the short duration.  
 

For some reason the fans of LIV can’t believe this.  But it’s the truth.  If they stopped the shenanigans , played 72 holes without a shotgun , and lost greg Norman , you’d have a lot more fans. Greg Norman is a non starter as the face.  It’s like hiring skeletor to serve ice cream on your new ice team truck.  Nobody letting their kids run out to meet that.  Claude makes no mention of any of these things.  He focuses wrongly on the Saudi connection.  When the issue is the clown world depiction of the game we love.  
 

 

[King_Slender]

31 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

The response to Claude is easy.  
 

when brooks left to go to the SL he was washed up.  As in injured.  It made sense to take the money for retirement purposes.  And to be his brothers meal ticket.  I understood him leaving more than most.  So Claude whining about people saying that is nonsense.  It is the truth.  It’s changed now for the better. But there was no guarantee it would at that time. 
 

and his take on why folks don’t like the SL isn’t all of the story.  It’s not even most of the story.  The saudi connection is but a blip on the radar of reasons.  The true dislike comes from the format.  the evidence to support this is the fact that tours have played for the Saudis for years , and there’s been no large scale uprising about it.  It’s true that this is an attempt to buy a sport for clout and image repair.  But most don’t care about that nearly as much as they do the format and imagery that the SL . 
 

by that I mean the party atmosphere, the music crap , the encouragement of drunken sailor patrons , the shotgun start and the short duration.  
 

For some reason the fans of LIV can’t believe this.  But it’s the truth.  If they stopped the shenanigans , played 72 holes without a shotgun , and lost greg Norman , you’d have a lot more fans. Greg Norman is a non starter as the face.  It’s like hiring skeletor to serve ice cream on your new ice team truck.  Nobody letting their kids run out to meet that.  Claude makes no mention of any of these things.  He focuses wrongly on the Saudi connection.  When the issue is the clown world depiction of the game we love.  
 

 

 

As someone who will flip on LIV, but am really just a golf fan, I'd push back on a few things.  

 

1) His point about Tiger being the first guy who really got paid up front and guys like Scheffler, Rory, JT, etc. should be paid to show up is absolutely right.  The ARE the product and the histrionics Monahan went through when he saw big names leaving proved that.  Most of the other guys only drive some ratings if they are a cinderella story (Michael Block) or do something magical to win a round.  Literally nobody cares when a Keith Mitchell type wins.

 

2) Format - Week to week, I agree that the PGA format is the best for producing drama and tension as the week goes on for FANS.  For PLAYERS most of these guys are playing to qualify for majors or keep their card.  They really don't care about winning the Rocket Mortgage Classic in and of itself.  For guys who are SOLELY focussed on legacy and majors, LIV is a breath of fresh air - as Brooks said, it's like playing a round with your boys.  I'd go so far as to say it's probably the perfect setting for Rory to recharge and get back in a major groove. 

 

3) Love the shotgun start, but think it should only be used the first 2 days with the final round being a traditional start.  In fact, I think the PGA should adopt it for Thursday and Friday before the cut and then play a traditional start on the weekend.  It would give them way more flexibility with weather issues. 
 

4) Haven't heard a word from Normal in at least a month.  But if you started an ice cream truck and dressed as Skeletor, it would be a wild success.

[Titleist_PT23]

10 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I almost wonder if he won’t be the first reverse defector ?    

He just got 4 more years (I think vs. what his 2019 PGA win entitled him to) into the Masters and British Open, which is what he really wants/needed (already exempt for the PGA and he was in the US Open through 2028).

 

So why would he leave now?  To play in the regular tour events?  Or to play against the best in "real" events more often?  Doesn't seem like the former itself (need more PGAT wins) would do it.  Perhaps it's the latter or he thinks to be remembered as one of the best you need to be associated with the real deal (or not associated with any derogatory term we can all come up with)?

 

I think he's probably OK where he is, and the public perception of him and his accomplishments seem to have become more positive in the last few days (just going by media coverage and comments here).

[Hawkeye77]

23 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

The response to Claude is easy.  
 

when brooks left to go to the SL he was washed up.  As in injured.  It made sense to take the money for retirement purposes.  And to be his brothers meal ticket.  I understood him leaving more than most.  So Claude whining about people saying that is nonsense.  It is the truth.  It’s changed now for the better. But there was no guarantee it would at that time. 
 

and his take on why folks don’t like the SL isn’t all of the story.  It’s not even most of the story.  The saudi connection is but a blip on the radar of reasons.  The true dislike comes from the format.  the evidence to support this is the fact that tours have played for the Saudis for years , and there’s been no large scale uprising about it.  It’s true that this is an attempt to buy a sport for clout and image repair.  But most don’t care about that nearly as much as they do the format and imagery that the SL . 
 

by that I mean the party atmosphere, the music crap , the encouragement of drunken sailor patrons , the shotgun start and the short duration.  
 

For some reason the fans of LIV can’t believe this.  But it’s the truth.  If they stopped the shenanigans , played 72 holes without a shotgun , and lost greg Norman , you’d have a lot more fans. Greg Norman is a non starter as the face.  It’s like hiring skeletor to serve ice cream on your new ice team truck.  Nobody letting their kids run out to meet that.  Claude makes no mention of any of these things.  He focuses wrongly on the Saudi connection.  When the issue is the clown world depiction of the game we love.  
 

 

 

I get a kick out of listening to Claude sometimes and this is just him defending "his" player and over the top at that and getting some attention and that's what it's all about these days.  And yep, he doesn't analyze LIV in any real way - it's my guy is great, setting up a couple of straw men to damn Brandel and Lynch with faint praise, and Phil is oh so popular.  Fair enough.

 

Totally agree with you but I think there is still another aspect and that is what was revealed with Phil's comments getting outed and looking carefully and critically at all the silly comments he and Norman (and a couple others) have made over the course of the past year plus.

 

The goal was first and foremost to make LIV "THE" world Tour, not some complement to the PGA Tour.  The Saudis wanted to buy Tiger and every single top player they could get and gutting and destroying the PGA Tour was the absolute number one goal and their frontrunners Norman and Mickelson made that clear --- the LIV cheerleaders like to deny that and minimize it, but it's a fact.  LIV miscalculated, didn't bag the players it needed and stuck both feet in its mouth at every opportunity.  Harmon comes off as more of the same - so it's a little predictable.

 

Koepka's comeback is a great story, if it gives LIV traction in the sense it has a player who can actually get it done, so be it.  He's a great player. But in the end, it's a proven and flawed product that has failed to deliver on every promise made in private and in public when the guys were recruited and still going nowhere outside a one-off event in Australia that its next two events basically buried with the lack of interest.

 

And it's stuck ---- it really can't change the team format and can't drop the 54 hole format and can't drop the party atmosphere --- that's all it was selling and if it can't sell that, it becomes an exhibition that ends up copying the Tour a few days a week but does nothing for the game overall like the Tour has done and continues to do.

 

 

 

 

[freeze16172002]

On 5/23/2023 at 6:21 PM, soap1984 said:

Mediocre how? Every week they play you get the best players playing. You can't hold liv to a standard you don't hold the tour to...most tour events are completely unwatchable so I don't really get how you could say it's inferior on average. 

Who are the best Players? Westwood, McDowell, Chase Koepka alot more of that quality than Brooks and C. Smith....You think Brooks not being picked for the Ryder Cup would bother him? I think he is more concerned with getting a reality show like Keeping up with the Koepka's, his wife seems to be that type

Edited May 25, 2023 by freeze16172002

[leezer99]

Question about relegation. 

 

Is there someplace or someone that is tracking which LIV players are facing relegation as we head into the halfway point in the season?  It's hard to understand who is on the chopping block since I don't know who has a contract and who are the unsigned players.

 

My understanding is that the bottom 24 are facing the axe but there are a bunch of captains and stuff in that lower tier. Is the bottom 24 shuffled to include anyone without a contract or is it strictly just the worst of LIV? 

 

If anything I'd think LIV would be promoting this similarly to how we watch the cut line at PGAT events.

[jdl]

11 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

LIV Golf, not the “Saudi League.”
 

Nobody to wants to return to the PGAT. Folks want a fair and equitable shot to qualify for the majors. 

There is a path to the majors. They all knew what it would entail when they left to go to LIV. Maybe they'll get OWGR points eventually. Right now there's really 3 groups in LIV when it comes to majors - the top few that have already won a major and will be exempt for several years. Then there's the group at the bottom, guys that really have no shot regardless of what tour they are on. And finally the middle, guys like Gooch, Niemann, Varner etc that are capable but would need to get ranking points. As mentioned, there is a path to the Opens, and Sergio just made it that way. For the PGA and Masters, well....it would have been easier to get there on the PGA Tour but they chose the guaranteed $$ instead and seems to me a fair trade-off.

[2bGood]

On 5/24/2023 at 1:46 AM, MoeMoe said:

Sergio goes out and shoots 66 66 to qualify for the US Open. 

 

Well done. I went from 0% respect for him to like 2%. 

 

On 5/24/2023 at 4:12 AM, bladehunter said:

The response to Claude is easy.  
 

when brooks left to go to the SL he was washed up.  As in injured.  It made sense to take the money for retirement purposes.  And to be his brothers meal ticket.  I understood him leaving more than most.  So Claude whining about people saying that is nonsense.  It is the truth.  It’s changed now for the better. But there was no guarantee it would at that time. 
 

and his take on why folks don’t like the SL isn’t all of the story.  It’s not even most of the story.  The saudi connection is but a blip on the radar of reasons.  The true dislike comes from the format.  the evidence to support this is the fact that tours have played for the Saudis for years , and there’s been no large scale uprising about it.  It’s true that this is an attempt to buy a sport for clout and image repair.  But most don’t care about that nearly as much as they do the format and imagery that the SL . 
 

by that I mean the party atmosphere, the music crap , the encouragement of drunken sailor patrons , the shotgun start and the short duration.  
 

For some reason the fans of LIV can’t believe this.  But it’s the truth.  If they stopped the shenanigans , played 72 holes without a shotgun , and lost greg Norman , you’d have a lot more fans. Greg Norman is a non starter as the face.  It’s like hiring skeletor to serve ice cream on your new ice team truck.  Nobody letting their kids run out to meet that.  Claude makes no mention of any of these things.  He focuses wrongly on the Saudi connection.  When the issue is the clown world depiction of the game we love.  
 

 

Their is lots of reason not to like the SL. You nailed a bunch. But beyond the Saudi issues, the idea of a government entity owning a sports league is an issue for me.  I think it is fair to say that in countries that  have true democratically elected governments you will never see their nation own and control a sports league - the voters would never go for it. So that leaves absolute monarchies and dictatorships in control. Not to be too dramatic but if LIV works and userps the PGAT it could change the face of the way professional sport is run world wide and I don't think for the good. You already see hints of this trend line with the World Cup and Olympics and I see LIV as an expansion of this. 

Edited May 25, 2023 by 2bGood

[betarhoalphadelta]

2 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

2) Format - Week to week, I agree that the PGA format is the best for producing drama and tension as the week goes on for FANS.  For PLAYERS most of these guys are playing to qualify for majors or keep their card.  They really don't care about winning the Rocket Mortgage Classic in and of itself.  For guys who are SOLELY focussed on legacy and majors, LIV is a breath of fresh air - as Brooks said, it's like playing a round with your boys.  I'd go so far as to say it's probably the perfect setting for Rory to recharge and get back in a major groove. 

 

3) Love the shotgun start, but think it should only be used the first 2 days with the final round being a traditional start.  In fact, I think the PGA should adopt it for Thursday and Friday before the cut and then play a traditional start on the weekend.  It would give them way more flexibility with weather issues. 

 

 

2) I get that. But guess what? I (and most of the folks on here) are FANS, not PLAYERS. I care about the viewing experience. Professional golf is an entertainment product. Products are produced to sell to consumers, in this case broadcasts which drive TV ad revenues. If LIV is better for the players but a worse viewing experience for the fans, it will and should fail, because the viewing experience for the fans is the product that drives the $$$. 

 

3) I agree. I've said multiple times that I wouldn't be opposed to the PGAT going shotgun start for Thurs/Fri. Due to large fields I think it's untenable from a logistical standpoint, as you'd still need multiple waves and a draw, and in the biggest of fields you might need 3 waves which I can't really make out how that would work. But I agree that for PGAT, Sat/Sun should be traditional start, and that the final LIV round as well. The reason that the PGAT has done the traditional reverse order of standings start is because it makes for good TV product to have the leaders chasing each other on holes 1-18. It was something that was not necessary to change, and didn't IMHO improve the product. 

[CaseyC]

2 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

 

 

... For guys who are SOLELY focussed on legacy and majors, LIV is a breath of fresh air - as Brooks said, it's like playing a round with your boys.  I'd go so far as to say it's probably the perfect setting for Rory to recharge and get back in a major groove. 

 

 

 

The above makes LIV's goal of "Team Golf" less viable.     For Brooks, the Majors are far more important than his team.  He didn't wear his Teams logos at either The Masters or the PGA.

[Cactus Jack]

1 hour ago, jdl said:

There is a path to the majors. They all knew what it would entail when they left to go to LIV. Maybe they'll get OWGR points eventually. Right now there's really 3 groups in LIV when it comes to majors - the top few that have already won a major and will be exempt for several years. Then there's the group at the bottom, guys that really have no shot regardless of what tour they are on. And finally the middle, guys like Gooch, Niemann, Varner etc that are capable but would need to get ranking points. As mentioned, there is a path to the Opens, and Sergio just made it that way. For the PGA and Masters, well....it would have been easier to get there on the PGA Tour but they chose the guaranteed $$ instead and seems to me a fair trade-off.

At this point it’s safe to say the players that matter are unanimous in that the OWGR results are not accurate. The system changed, and all everyone wants   Are accurate rankings. 

[HomaComa]

9 hours ago, Ghostwedge said:

1. I'll give you that.

2. Try again, Trump courses are world class.

3. They're Professionals they care, they perform or lose their status.

4. Perez had a Tour card forever just like JJ Spain and Luke Donald do now.

 

Maybe the requirements need to be tweaked.....

 

2. Orange County National

3. Pat Perez last year lol

 

[HomaComa]

10 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

Crappy venues?  Guys don’t care?  Pat Perez held his pga tour card for what 20 years.  

Perez was in the bottom 10 in like 5 events last year

[bladehunter]

3 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

As someone who will flip on LIV, but am really just a golf fan, I'd push back on a few things.  

 

1) His point about Tiger being the first guy who really got paid up front and guys like Scheffler, Rory, JT, etc. should be paid to show up is absolutely right.  The ARE the product and the histrionics Monahan went through when he saw big names leaving proved that.  Most of the other guys only drive some ratings if they are a cinderella story (Michael Block) or do something magical to win a round.  Literally nobody cares when a Keith Mitchell type wins.

 

2) Format - Week to week, I agree that the PGA format is the best for producing drama and tension as the week goes on for FANS.  For PLAYERS most of these guys are playing to qualify for majors or keep their card.  They really don't care about winning the Rocket Mortgage Classic in and of itself.  For guys who are SOLELY focussed on legacy and majors, LIV is a breath of fresh air - as Brooks said, it's like playing a round with your boys.  I'd go so far as to say it's probably the perfect setting for Rory to recharge and get back in a major groove. 

 

3) Love the shotgun start, but think it should only be used the first 2 days with the final round being a traditional start.  In fact, I think the PGA should adopt it for Thursday and Friday before the cut and then play a traditional start on the weekend.  It would give them way more flexibility with weather issues. 
 

4) Haven't heard a word from Normal in at least a month.  But if you started an ice cream truck and dressed as Skeletor, it would be a wild success.

Lol. On the last part.  I enjoy that type humor. You're probably right.  Kids would probably love Skeletor ( they all run off now to google who the Heck I’m taking about 😂)

but Greg. He just gives off the slimiest  vibe possible.  You just know you can’t be in favor of whether he’s selling.  
 

disagree of course on the rest.  The “ round with your bros” look is exactly why I hate it.  It’s a slippery slope to simpleton-ville.  Competition should be the product.  Not a soap opera.  I get that the big names draw fans.  But what I don’t get is why they think they need tiger money ?  They don’t draw tiger fans.  
 

the market will self correct if a tiger second coming happens.  That guy can get tiger money.  

[golfheaven69]

10 minutes ago, HomaComa said:

Perez was in the bottom 10 in like 5 events last year

And probably doesn’t care which says a lot. 

[bladehunter]

3 hours ago, agolf1 said:

He just got 4 more years (I think vs. what his 2019 PGA win entitled him to) into the Masters and British Open, which is what he really wants/needed (already exempt for the PGA and he was in the US Open through 2028).

 

So why would he leave now?  To play in the regular tour events?  Or to play against the best in "real" events more often?  Doesn't seem like the former itself (need more PGAT wins) would do it.  Perhaps it's the latter or he thinks to be remembered as one of the best you need to be associated with the real deal (or not associated with any derogatory term we can all come up with)?

 

I think he's probably OK where he is, and the public perception of him and his accomplishments seem to have become more positive in the last few days (just going by media coverage and comments here).

It wi depend on how much his words are worth.   He touts caring about “ legacy “ and of course highlights majors.  Playing on the best tour against the best players is the only way.  Yes. He can continue to win majors.  But his other stats are now retired.  So going forward we will know for sure if he values money or legacy the most.  I’m not even judging that decision.  I’m just saying he’s having to make one. It can’t be both.  
 

 

I wouldn’t doubt that the tour wouldn’t pay some back door money to a Brooks or DJ to flip back.  Because it will only take one big domino to fall to make future flips toward LIV an almost non starter - No!  

Edited May 24, 2023 by bladehunter