Did the U.S. open seal Azinger's fate?

[NoTalentLefty]

8 minutes ago, Mp14forlife said:

 

Maybe but was the meme even necessary then???

[tatertot]

28 minutes ago, NoTalentLefty said:

This post is a knee jerk’n reactionary piece of cow manure even a dung beetle would stay away from. 

And yet, here you are, rootin' around in the dung ...

[Mp14forlife]

13 minutes ago, NoTalentLefty said:

Maybe but was the meme even necessary then???

 

[NoTalentLefty]

7 minutes ago, tatertot said:

And yet, here you are, rootin' around in the dung ...

I’m a pig 

[mocokid]

47 minutes ago, gvogel said:

I remember Ken Venturi, Johnny Miller, and even Henry Longhurst.  Each added to the broadcast.  Azinger subtracts from the broadcast.

Peter Allis , Dave Marr =Hof. Paul couldn't carry their little ball marker bags, though real men don't have such silly things.

[NoTalentLefty]

2 minutes ago, Mp14forlife said:

 

Expect nothing less from the OP. 

[NoTalentLefty]

4 minutes ago, mocokid said:

Peter Allis , Dave Marr =Hof. Paul couldn't carry their little ball marker bags, though real men don't have such silly things.

Actually each of these men also suffered criticism from the public. Allis was considered a pompous wind bag and Marr was a name dropper. BUT I enjoyed both of them. And Paul and Johnny as well. 

[johnseg]

1 hour ago, jimb6golf said:

As many have stated already the commentary isn't that bad as I'm only watching the golf anyway.  The airplane noise was annoying I guess though.  The real problem was the amount of commercials, especially the amount of 'playing through' spots.  I realize that most of the networks want you to watch their pay versions for more in depth coverage but it's getting a bit silly with so little golf shown and so many commercials.  Azinger isn't that bad, but he's not Miller, but some of the other commentators weren't very good.  Overall a fun tournament to watch especially in prime time on the east coast which was great.

I am not sure how you can complain about "Playing Through". It is an opportunity to stay with live coverage during commercial breaks.

 

[livt0golf]

1 hour ago, byoung14 said:

Azinger isn’t going to lose his job, commentators across all sports say ridiculous things at times and are still employed. The PGA Tour and the “golf media” has leaned too much into social media which blows things out of proportion and makes the smallest things into supposedly huge issues when the majority of golf fans/viewers could care less about them instead just preferring to watch great golf.

I don't know about you, but most golf fans want real insight into what is going on in a players mind and what they would be thinking over a shot. Having a competent former player that can relate and tell you what a player is thinking and how they might play a shot is what adds value to a tournament. Otherwise you could just have Joe Buck. Does anyone remember how terrible those US Opens were with FOX? 

[sui generis]

2 hours ago, Duct Tape said:

Should I be worried I didn’t hear the plane buzzing?

 

I hear buzzing every waking second and have done for 65 years. 😉

 

[scotee]

53 minutes ago, NoTalentLefty said:

Actually each of these men also suffered criticism from the public. Allis was considered a pompous wind bag and Marr was a name dropper. BUT I enjoyed both of them. And Paul and Johnny as well. 

 

Yes, and what's wrong with variety.  I would bring back McCord. I'm still not happy with Maltbie and Koch getting pushed out.

[bladehunter]

Let’s be fair here.  This venue threw up the stranger danger vibe for many. We can’t blame Paul for that.  Loads of new things to throw you off. 
 

for one. I’m sure he , like me , thought that this was a what a barranca was.  The huge rodent.  Once we learned that it was actually  a gulley or ditch it got better.  But for a while it was hard to figure how they would get a golf ball into one.  Or moreover how you’d get a ball out of one.  
 

culture shock is real. Paul isn’t immune.  He arrived thinking he’d be announcing a us open.  And instead wayyy tooo many curveballs came at him.  

[bladehunter]

49 minutes ago, johnseg said:

I am not sure how you can complain about "Playing Through". It is an opportunity to stay with live coverage during commercial breaks.

 

The counter argument is that it gives them license to add in more commercial breaks.  Count them pre playing through and now. They go to a lot more breaks.  And in theory if they couldn’t play through ,  people would reject coverage with this many commercials.  

[Cliffy2020]

48 minutes ago, johnseg said:

I am not sure how you can complain about "Playing Through". It is an opportunity to stay with live coverage during commercial breaks.

 

Lol. It’s a way for them to play more commercials during live coverage.

 

Full screen live coverage has gone from ~38mins/hour down to 29/hr and if you factor in the “let us take this moment to remind you” promos it goes down to ~24mins/hr of actual golf content.

 

At least Rolex allowed us plebes to watch the final hour commercial break free.

[PedronNiall]

2 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

But SI isn't the only outlet covering Azingers performance. NY Post, SB nation and even WRXs news page had it covered. 

 

I didn't notice... I only heard the plane buzzing. Just wish overall the US announcers would take a queue from the euro tour and realize less talk is more. 

And how! They wouldn't even button it when the final group was approaching 18 green and simply let the moment be. Constant nattering so they could be part of the moment instead of letting it be Clark's.

 

As to Azinger, I mostly ignore him the way I do others when they full send it into nonsense land, but for whatever reason his baseless take that Clark was somehow the only one capable of or hitting fades after he'd already stated during a previous round how much he liked Rory's ability to work the driver both ways made me shake my head.

 

It really, really is best to try and let the announcers fade into the background the same way one must for the Cessna. To those who didn't hear the Cessna at all, blessed be you and your special ears, because that drone is annoying as can be. Really no reason their sound team shouldn't be able to cancel out that specific drone considering how constant it is. If the tiny mics & processors on cellphones can take care of things like that then thousand dollar broadcasting inputs & a multi-million dollar broadcast studio should be able to do at least something.

[oughtaquit]

Most golf commentary is like most other things - too loud, too unnecessary, and just plain too much. A little is good; more is not better. 

[me05501]

There seems to be a bias in NBC's coverage toward making the players seem superhuman. Azinger's schtick is a piece of that, always acting like a player has no shot whatsoever and then feigning surprise when they end up doing what professional golfers do every day. 

 

It's not for us. It's for casual fans. OTOH it seems to annoy them too if my wife is any indication. 

[johnseg]

28 minutes ago, Cliffy2020 said:

Lol. It’s a way for them to play more commercials during live coverage.

 

Full screen live coverage has gone from ~38mins/hour down to 29/hr and if you factor in the “let us take this moment to remind you” promos it goes down to ~24mins/hr of actual golf content.

 

At least Rolex allowed us plebes to watch the final hour commercial break free.

I just look at as commercials will always be increasing so I don't mind it.

[livt0golf]

Honestly Azinger treats this like something to do after retirement like a guy that gets a job at a place to get a discount for items he would normally buy for his hobby. He's not even present for the role and doesn't give it the attention it deserves. He does zero homework when he gets to a course. He lacks any insight on how these golfers are working there way through the golf course and has no idea how they are playing shots. It's like he never played golf at a high level. He's one of the worst announcers the game has seen. He needs to be let go and replaced by a former player that knows how to describe the game and can give meaningful insight to the viewers.

 

Johnny Miller was one of the best as he knew exactly what a player was doing to hit a shot and could explain to the average viewer how they did it. He would even give tips on what to practice to pull them off. The only reason he got negative feedback was he was brutally honest about bad shots from players. 

The fact is you want an announcer to tell you what a player might be thinking and what shot they may play. They choose former players because they should be able draw on past experience having played PGA tour golf in tournament conditions. We have never played on the PGA tour so that insight is nice to hear. You can't talk to a player before they hit the shot. 

[OBbogey5]

Maybe it’s just silly that golf is spread across too many broadcast companies. There’s just not enough good announcers for that many network teams. Which I can’t believe, but it has to be the case. Concentrate the coverage to one major network and get the best talent in the booth/on course. 
 

NBC really screwed this up by doing the Golf Channel. They have the largest net, but the worst of everything in producing golf content. Dan Hicks is the very best thing of their coverage, because he’s as cool as the other side of the pillow (and everyone still wants to know how he got 1990s Hanna Storm), but they have not been urgent enough in getting a player analyst. Azinger will not be in that booth in ten years. He’s awful. CBS are pros. It should’ve been you Fredo.

Edited June 20, 2023 by OBbogey5

[Duct Tape]

Bringing up another, Rossie (Bob Rosburg), who I loved to watch on ABC, who wasn’t above a little hyperbole if not inaccuracy - “He’s got no shot, absolutely no chance Jim!”

 

Often proven wrong but who cared. He was great entertainment and a wonderfully nice man, not to mention a legitimately good golfer. First roving course reporter if I remember correctly. 
 

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Duct Tape
Can’t type

[dbdors]

4 hours ago, So_Cal said:

I didn’t even notice him, only the constant buzzing airplanes. 

My wife, who never watches golf, watched with me and asked, "are those drones I keep hearing"!!

[m d g]

3 hours ago, Ferguson said:

 

No.  It just means, like me, you have an old TV.

 

 

 

 

 

Not an old TV. Old ears...

[596]

I didn't hear anything Azinger said. The buzzing plane was far enough to mute the broadcast. It was annoying as h*ll! 

Edited June 20, 2023 by 596

[rgk5]

I do not know which donkey said it, but one of the announcers proudly referred to the Ryder Cup being played at the LACC in 2017 when it was in fact the Walker Cup. 🤨

[Louis_Posture]

What specifically do people not like about Azinger's commentary?

He provides insight into the shot at hand such as the lie of the ball, wind conditions, what other players have done given a similar shot, current mental state and how previous hole(s) affected same. Like Faldo, Azinger offers commentary that is helpful to anyone listening for help with their own game.

[Ferguson]

3 hours ago, goudok said:

even my wife was wondering how many more time he was going to say that.  

 

"Be an athlete" tied with "intestinal fortitude."  Said 11 times, each.  

 

By the way, he ripped off the, "be an athlete" from Payne. 

 

 

[livt0golf]

41 minutes ago, rgk5 said:

I do not know which donkey said it, but one of the announcers proudly referred to the Ryder Cup being played at the LACC in 2017 when it was in fact the Walker Cup. 🤨

Believe it was Faxon... Another one that needs to go... He did correct himself at least. 

[livt0golf]

32 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

What specifically do people not like about Azinger's commentary?

He provides insight into the shot at hand such as the lie of the ball, wind conditions, what other players have done given a similar shot, current mental state and how previous hole(s) affected same. Like Faldo, Azinger offers commentary that is helpful to anyone listening for help with their own game.

He is often wrong. He gives incorrect advice on how to play a shot or doesn't know what shot the player is going to play. He gets surprised all the time. 

[golfortennis]

1 hour ago, johnseg said:

I just look at as commercials will always be increasing so I don't mind it.

 

You're certainly entitled to like chicken sh!t and be ok with more and more of it.  Just don't be surprised when not too many of you agree.