Best Anti-Right Driver

[MackGolfer]

Hi all, 

 

I am from the UK and currently have an index of 15, I need a new driver but have a pretty specific list of requirements I feel you guys may be able to help with? 
 

I am a member of one of the best links courses in the country which is not particularly long but hitting fairways is a premium. As a result of this I ditched the driver and use a 17 degree hybrid off the tee which comes out flat with little spin so is perfect for the links, I hit it so well I ditched my driver. 
 

The issue is I am also a member of a long parkland course where there are some forced carries where into the wind I cannot quite clear with the hybrid. 
 

On the course especially with wind off the left I struggle with a bit of a push slice, starts right and keeps going on the wind. I have tried using draw biased drivers such as the G425 SFT but they just kick the spin up too much and I lose tons of distance especially into the wind. 
 

So my question is, is there a driver which will come out flat so that I can use it on the links but also doesn’t want to go right on me? 
 

Many thanks. 

[Ri_Redneck]

If a draw biased driver didn't help, the ONLY thing that WILL help is fixing the swing characteristic that is causing your right miss. Once you do that, any driver will work for you. Post a video of your swing in the Instructional Forum and they should be able to give you some ideas.

 

BT

[MackGolfer]

Thanks for the response. The draw biased drivers did work for me but they lost me a ton of distance and spun up massively in the wind. I’m after more of a ‘normal’ driver that won’t spin up too much but still has a bit of draw bias (not as extreme as the SFT) in it. 

[Bobb3rdown]

18 minutes ago, MackGolfer said:

Thanks for the response. The draw biased drivers did work for me but they lost me a ton of distance and spun up massively in the wind. I’m after more of a ‘normal’ driver that won’t spin up too much but still has a bit of draw bias (not as extreme as the SFT) in it. 

Maybe something more adjustable, lower spinning head like a taylormade sim. 

 

Use a higher lofted head and set the weight in the heel. Maybe even on an upright setting.

 

Or if you like a closed face, a lower lofted head, turned up so it sits more upright.

 

Worth a demo at least. 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Bobb3rdown

[MattM97]

Might hate this answer but lessons. It could just be 1 lessons with a few simple setup fixes or swing feels that gets you the ball flights you want. If you're going crazy right it's all on the delivery of the clubhead. 

[byoshio82]

Adjustable and loft down so the face opens up and then shaft that bad boy with some rebar like a Ventus Black. Or just hit the driver off the deck or tee it really low. Recently started using more loft (10.5 adjust to 12.5) since that adjustment I’ve been able to hit it off the deck reliably and it’s a fairway finder and a little fade everytime. Or could even think about a mini driver.

[Ri_Redneck]

59 minutes ago, MackGolfer said:

Thanks for the response. The draw biased drivers did work for me but they lost me a ton of distance and spun up massively in the wind. I’m after more of a ‘normal’ driver that won’t spin up too much but still has a bit of draw bias (not as extreme as the SFT) in it. 

"Draw biased" consists of 1, 2 or all 3 of these things -

 

Closed Face Angle - Works until you visually square the face, then loft is increased.

Heel Weighting - Works if there is enough to affect the MOI of the clubhead and allow for faster closure.

Upright Lie - Pretty much the norm on all modern drivers.

 

To activate all of those on your SFT, you would need to set the hosel adapter on the big + & move the weight as far as possible toward the heel of the club. Once you've done that, you will have to try your best NOT TO SQUARE the clubface at impact. Let the adjustments do thier job and just swing the club. If they work, you should get what looks like a slight pull with a straighter ball flight (less curve). Key word is SHOULD.

 

BT

[Roejye]

As someone who uses a 2 SIM MAX D's, including 1 lofted up 2 notches, and still doesn't get a draw, it's more likely you. That being said I wouldn't hesitate to recommend trying a SIM MAX D, because let's face it, buying clubs is fun.

[hammergolf]

5 hours ago, MackGolfer said:

Hi all, 

 

I am from the UK and currently have an index of 15, I need a new driver but have a pretty specific list of requirements I feel you guys may be able to help with? 
 

I am a member of one of the best links courses in the country which is not particularly long but hitting fairways is a premium. As a result of this I ditched the driver and use a 17 degree hybrid off the tee which comes out flat with little spin so is perfect for the links, I hit it so well I ditched my driver. 
 

The issue is I am also a member of a long parkland course where there are some forced carries where into the wind I cannot quite clear with the hybrid. 
 

On the course especially with wind off the left I struggle with a bit of a push slice, starts right and keeps going on the wind. I have tried using draw biased drivers such as the G425 SFT but they just kick the spin up too much and I lose tons of distance especially into the wind. 
 

So my question is, is there a driver which will come out flat so that I can use it on the links but also doesn’t want to go right on me? 
 

Many thanks. 

I’ve seen testing on the new Callaway Big Bertha that shows its draw biased, but also low spin. It’s made in a 9* head, so you could lower the loft to 8* and make it more upright. Honestly, your issue is actually common, and I’ve never understood why manufacturers don’t make their draw biased drivers in lower lofts. By pure physics, most people who miss right tend to either add dynamic loft at impact, or the open face to path creates a higher launch and higher spin condition. In a perfect design, a draw biased driver would have a more upright lie angle to encourage a more left start line and encourage a faster face closure rate, more weight forward in the heel to further encourage a faster closure rate and reduce spin, and a lower static loft to offset the added loft issue at impact.
 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by hammergolf

[TonyRo]

I think you could go with a less intense version of what you already had, e.g. a g430 max (supposedly slightly draw biased already) 9-degree head, loft it up a smidge, put the weight in the draw setting, etc. That's about as best as you're going to get. You can try and find a stiffer shaft that knocks the spin and launch down a bit too, and switch to a premium, low-spin golf ball as well. 

[Tyler724]

Check out Callaway Rogue ST Max or Max D

[Baconator]

1 hour ago, Tyler724 said:

Check out Callaway Rogue ST Max or Max D

I bought one last year and it's the first driver I've ever tried that makes it dramatically easier to draw the ball. Worth trying at least.

Max D that is.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Baconator

[Valtiel]

7 hours ago, Ri_Redneck said:

"Draw biased" consists of 1, 2 or all 3 of these things -

 

Closed Face Angle - Works until you visually square the face, then loft is increased.

Heel Weighting - Works if there is enough to affect the MOI of the clubhead and allow for faster closure.

Upright Lie - Pretty much the norm on all modern drivers.

 

To activate all of those on your SFT, you would need to set the hosel adapter on the big + & move the weight as far as possible toward the heel of the club. Once you've done that, you will have to try your best NOT TO SQUARE the clubface at impact. Let the adjustments do thier job and just swing the club. If they work, you should get what looks like a slight pull with a straighter ball flight (less curve). Key word is SHOULD.

 

BT

Agreed, although the evidence for heel weighting/face closure IMO is dubious at best and it's far more practical to instead focus on it as a means of gear effect manipulation. Heel weighting (enough to move the sweetspot heel side) means that slight heel strikes will behave more like center ones (and thus less slice-y gear effect) and center strikes behave slightly like toe ones, imparting a little but of fade reducing draw tilt to the ball's spin axis. 

I'd also argue that lie angle is almost meaningless with regards to anything corrective here, but you're right in that it technically is a component. 

@MackGolfer The best temporary solution for you here is first determining how much of your right miss is strike related and how much is face control related. If you miss the face in the heel then a draw weighted driver (more heel-side sweet spot) can help. If you're leaving the face open then lofting up to shut the face can help, but this means you need a driver with pretty low loft to start with since spin is a concern. Strike location is important for spin as well, anything lower on the face will spin up regardless of head. 

[philly2kuk]

I agree MattM97, if equipment hasn’t worked (and it will only move ball flight a little from my experience) it needs to be lessons.
 

Alternatively get a lower spin driver in a lower loft and loft up to close the face. I’ve gone from 12 degrees to a 10 degree lofted at 11 to close the face and reduce the fade spin, but that’s due to the fact since my injury last year I struggled to get my natural draw with my driver.

[Davidv]

Ping 430 Max.

[MountainKing]

Any driver in my hand is anti right.

[Justsomeguy]

On 7/21/2023 at 8:56 AM, MackGolfer said:

Hi all, 

 

I am from the UK and currently have an index of 15, I need a new driver but have a pretty specific list of requirements I feel you guys may be able to help with? 
 

I am a member of one of the best links courses in the country which is not particularly long but hitting fairways is a premium. As a result of this I ditched the driver and use a 17 degree hybrid off the tee which comes out flat with little spin so is perfect for the links, I hit it so well I ditched my driver. 
 

The issue is I am also a member of a long parkland course where there are some forced carries where into the wind I cannot quite clear with the hybrid. 
 

On the course especially with wind off the left I struggle with a bit of a push slice, starts right and keeps going on the wind. I have tried using draw biased drivers such as the G425 SFT but they just kick the spin up too much and I lose tons of distance especially into the wind. 
 

So my question is, is there a driver which will come out flat so that I can use it on the links but also doesn’t want to go right on me? 
 

Many thanks. 

Everything Cobra since the F9 has been pretty anti-right for me.

They make draw variants of their drivers, but I don't think they're necessary.

You might also play around with a slimmer grip. You'll definitely turn the face over with a smaller grip if you're used to larger.

[Sons_of_Pitches]

On 7/21/2023 at 5:46 PM, Tyler724 said:

Check out Callaway Rogue ST Max or Max D

@MackGolfer - I would also recommend this driver and get the 9* and loft it up to further close the face if needed.  I used to use a G425 SFT before switching to the rogue st max d for the same reasons as yourself - fought the rights with driver only.  The Rogue ST Max D provides the protection I need from going right, but also is better in the spin and distance departments over the G425 SFT.  Best of luck….

[Tyler724]

7 hours ago, Sons_of_Pitches said:

 The Rogue ST Max D provides the protection I need from going right

This is a great way to describe these drivers. Not necessarily overkill on making everything go left, but keep it from going right for me. Helps avoid the dreaded two way miss off the tee when I’m having an off day with the driver. 

[Phebus]

Lots of talk on heads and settings, but I’d first try changing shafts in the head you have now. A softer shaft works for me in getting more draw out of what I have. 

[lance1420]

Just went through this with a dear friend of mine. 
 

He was very discouraged as he purchased a draw bias driver and nothing changed. 
 

On the course last week we changed his grip and his push fade became an easy cut. 
 

Now I’m no pro but the simple things can be seen so I’d suggest a lesson as the fix may be easier than you think…

[Sons_of_Pitches]

1 hour ago, lance1420 said:

Now I’m no pro but the simple things can be seen so I’d suggest a lesson as the fix may be easier than you think…

100% - IMHO it’s a combination of equipment and swing technique.  Put a bad swing on it and those anti-right drivers can certainly go right.

Edited July 24, 2023 by Sons_of_Pitches

[Mikey_HACKilroy]

Live input is worth a lot more than a new club that won't fix the problem.

Once you get your slice in order, you'll find the market for drivers is plentiful and you can pick the one that "speaks" to you. 😄
 

[tatertot]

24 minutes ago, Mikey_HACKilroy said:

Live input is worth a lot more than a new club that won't fix the problem.

Once you get your slice in order, you'll find the market for drivers is plentiful and you can pick the one that "speaks" to you. 😄
 

While what you say is true, it's more fun to buy new stuff.

[JermWRX]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:56 AM, MackGolfer said:

Hi all, 

 

I am from the UK and currently have an index of 15, I need a new driver but have a pretty specific list of requirements I feel you guys may be able to help with? 
 

I am a member of one of the best links courses in the country which is not particularly long but hitting fairways is a premium. As a result of this I ditched the driver and use a 17 degree hybrid off the tee which comes out flat with little spin so is perfect for the links, I hit it so well I ditched my driver. 
 

The issue is I am also a member of a long parkland course where there are some forced carries where into the wind I cannot quite clear with the hybrid. 
 

On the course especially with wind off the left I struggle with a bit of a push slice, starts right and keeps going on the wind. I have tried using draw biased drivers such as the G425 SFT but they just kick the spin up too much and I lose tons of distance especially into the wind. 
 

So my question is, is there a driver which will come out flat so that I can use it on the links but also doesn’t want to go right on me? 
 

Many thanks. 

LTDX LS with whatever low spin shaft you prefer. I love mine with a Ventus Blue, because I'm ok with a touch of launch. You might wanna try it with a Black. All this combo does is hit knuckleballs. Point and shoot. Forgiving as anything you'll try but with excellent distance.

[Mrgreen36]

7 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

LTDX LS with whatever low spin shaft you prefer. I love mine with a Ventus Blue, because I'm ok with a touch of launch. You might wanna try it with a Black. All this combo does is hit knuckleballs. Point and shoot. Forgiving as anything you'll try but with excellent distance.

 

Except the ltdx ls is the most fade biased driver I've ever owned. It's anti left not right. Unless you're left handed. 

[Mikey_HACKilroy]

14 minutes ago, tatertot said:

While what you say is true, it's more fun to buy new stuff.

 

True... LOL

Though, giving myself credit, I did advocate for a wider selection. Lots of options are even MORE fun.
 

I can't say I haven't been bitten by the golf purchase bug, though. I just recently bought a bag, then a shaft, and now I'm looking at new grips.... LOL. Lord knows what's next....

[jarediogolf]

If it’s a push slice I’d recommend a lighter weight shaft. 
But in reality with a push slice, your just not closing the face. You are simply not releasing the club.

Two feels you can try. 
1. Try feeling like the back of your left hand is pointing to at the ground in front of you. Kinda the bowed left wrist style of driving. 
2. Feel like your hitting the breaks a bit with your hand before impact to let the head catch up (aka releasing the club head). 
 

But equipment wise I personally would go lighter and stiff over softer, especially when trying to limit spin. But the excessive spin is coming from an open face. No gear can compensate for a spinny push slice. 

[puttingmatt]

Maybe just try a stronger grip position,

Move away from the slice spin that is being generated at impact. Sometimes, a little adjustment, can reap large rewards.

[Roejye]

4 hours ago, Sons_of_Pitches said:

100% - IMHO it’s a combination of equipment and swing technique.  Put a bad swing on it and those anti-right drivers can certainly go right.

I can attest to that fully, I went out and played after work yesterday. My dad and I jumped around a little and ended up getting 13 holes in, on the last hole I pulled my most anti right driver the 10.5° SIM MAX D turned up to 12, I was so tired I hit 2 terrible push slices into the trees on the right. As accurate as that setup has been for me, a bleep swing will produce a bleep result.