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Goodbye Stealth?

If so, I might be tempted by a TaylorMade driver next year, just don't like Stealth at all, didn't fit me, or me own personal tastes.

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Driver: Titleist TSR2 - 10* - Graphite Design Tour AD VF 6X

Woods: Ping g430 LST 3 Wood - Tour Black 75g 2.0 X-Stiff + Callaway Apex UW '24 - 17* - MMT 70g Stiff

Hybrid: King Tec '23 4 Hybrid - MMT 80g Stiff / Graphite Design Tour AD DI 85 S

Irons: TaylorMade p790 '23 - 5 - AW - KBS Tour 120g Stiff

Wedges: SM9 54* 12D & 58* 8M - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125g Stiff

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I own a Stealth Plus and I am so tempted to buy a TSR3 but my brain is saying wait till next year. I just can't put my finger on it why I don't like my Stealth. 

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They need to go back to the non Carbon. Stealth and Stealth 2 have been.....not good for the general public. Just rerelease the SIM and they will sell more, at least to people actually getting fit and not just buying because of marketing. 

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18 minutes ago, speeder757 said:

What’s everyone thoughts on the Stealth 2 Plus FWY Woods? 

Really good. Hate the price, but an absolute rocket. Everything else in their line right now is great, just not the drivers. 

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8 hours ago, brucedeuce said:

Non-Carbon Face incoming…  Carbonwood era over, paused or continuing?  

It wouldn’t surprise me given the issues they have had. 

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30 minutes ago, noodle3872 said:

I see a return to titanium faces in the next driver as a long shot. TSR has shown all titanium heads can still get the job done but I do believe TM is going to stay with the carbon face for 2024. The weight savings of the carbon face is too significant to be overlooked. I just feel TM hasn’t got the forgiveness and moderately low spin equation solved yet. Maybe 2024 will be the year. 

They’ve done a great job of ball speed retention with the carbon face, but they have had issues with inserts breaking or coming loose. It happened in the original and 2nd generation Stealth drivers. No doubt the concept is sound in physics, but they don’t seem to be able to get a hold on how to bond the carbon face to the body with no failure rate. If, and that’s the key word here, they can fix the bonding issue they may continue, but those engineers are smart and they haven’t been able to fix it so far through 2 releases.

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I was fit for and purchased a Stealth 2 (non by+ model).  I’ve hit it very well but the face popping out is always on my mind.  Although I have it, I’m not a fan of the red face but I do love the TM driver shape.

 

I agree with @BURKMI19 2024 was most likely planned years ago.  Bringing back the TP logo would be awesome. 

 

 

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Without knowing the numbers, it feels like since Stealth was originally released there have been more free agents using TSi3/TSR3, PING G425/430 LST which are all (exception of 430) titanium. Morikawa opted to use SIM. 
 

Going to be very interesting to see how they explain their way back to using some titanium components again.

 

Drivers and fairways are what they’re known for and feels like all carbon everything hasn’t quiet revolutionised the industry they would’ve hoped.

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16 hours ago, elwhippy said:

Local store manager mentioned this about six weeks ago. Be interesting to see how TM market the change. 

Yeah when you market the “carbon wood age” as the era of titanium is over it sort of puts you in a box. 
 

I think the best driver Taylor Made makes right now is the much cheaper M4. 

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5 hours ago, pmang said:

Can you explain what you mean by saying “not been good for the general public”? 

 

Yes. It's simply not forgiving. It's great out of the middle but compared to a TSR2 or a G430, Paradym X, it is awful on mishits. 

 

Sure, they have a lot of tour players playing them, but they hit the middle of the face a lot. 

 

Oh, that and Twist Face isn't real. It's just bulge and roll and every company has that....

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M2 and Sim were beasts.  They make great drivers for sure!   Very curious if 24 will be carbonized

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1 hour ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

M2 and Sim were beasts.  They make great drivers for sure!   Very curious if 24 will be carbonized

Both were awesome. SIM was really really good. 

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