Toulon calls out Scotty for copying

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  • Matt JMatt J Members Posts: 8,643 ✭✭
    Scotty is a little "emporer without clothes" it seems. No one in his organization brought attention to the Toulon cover? Honestly I could see Scotty not realizing it, but someone should of. Too easy to use STP red white and blue, etc. instead of Gulf. Or even just different stripe patterns. It's too similar but it's just one head cover, Sean seems whiny and irrelevant. Not to mention he tee'd up the fact that they each make 3 or 4 PING knock off designs. And Scotty was the first to go to a milled version which created the market for Toulon. Roll in the mud and everyone just gets dirty. It's a headcover.
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,332 ✭✭

    deep18 wrote:


    Not defending Scotty (or anyone else) but especially in putters, everyone copies everyone else. Yes there are a few examples of a groundbreaking design (like when the 2 ball came out) but for the most part, everyone is just tweaking everyone else’s ideas and around and around we go.




    Even the 2 ball was "inspired" by Dave Pelz 3 ball putter.




    But the difference is, Callaway bought the rights to the design from Pelz.
  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,277 ✭✭
    03trdblack wrote:


    I think people are getting confused about what he's claiming as copied. He's not referring to the putters but the headcover design and the special edition nature of the release using the exact same ideas and color scheme.



    Scotty could have done something with the Shelby Cobra blue\white stripes or Jaguar British Racing Green but he chose the identical shell racing colors and identical headcover design down to the way it is laid out and everything. I'm not saying there's a copyright or anything but it's just lazy on Scotty's part and unoriginal.
    Cameron could have chosen the same colors and not been accused of copying. Those headcovers look like they bought Toulon covers and just removed a logo and changed the number.
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  • nova6868nova6868 Members Posts: 4,683 ✭✭
    I like seeing Sean Toulon throw some heat Cameron's way. Toulon has come on strong in the high-end putter market with both classic designs and original designs. I hope they continue to take market share from Cameron.
  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152


    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    Right, right, lol...That was not his messaging, it was deceptive.
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  • DFinchDFinch Members Posts: 1,349 ✭✭
    The replies to the original tweet are the best part of the whole saga.
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  • Scotty1140Scotty1140 Members Posts: 4,404 ✭✭
    Wouldn’t expect anything less from Scotty Xerox.



    Although it’s not like Toulon’s design is anything original.
  • golfgirlrobingolfgirlrobin Members Posts: 2,280 ✭✭



    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    Right, right, lol...That was not his messaging, it was deceptive.




    Not sure why anyone would be deceived into thinking that a guy who is middle aged now was making putters in 1962.
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  • Scotty1140Scotty1140 Members Posts: 4,404 ✭✭
    edited Dec 1, 2018 #40




    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    Right, right, lol...That was not his messaging, it was deceptive.




    Not sure why anyone would be deceived into thinking that a guy who is middle aged now was making putters in 1962.


    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought I remember reading 1962 is when TP Mills first started making putters that’s what the 62 is referencing. That line is a very Mills style line.
  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152
    edited Dec 1, 2018 #41




    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    Right, right, lol...That was not his messaging, it was deceptive.




    Not sure why anyone would be deceived into thinking that a guy who is middle aged now was making putters in 1962.




    That's the Don! Plus, why use Circa then, unless he was been deceptive. He wasn't building anything in 1962.



    Check the meaning of circa my friend.
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,601 ✭✭
    Circa 62 explained;



    “Performance infused with Old World style. Craftsmanship expressed in modern design. Beauty in measured simplicity. The Circa 62 line is all of these—and more. Mixing the finest traditional putter aesthetics with innovative new design, Scotty Cameron brings you his creations with character reminiscent of the Handmade, Classic, and Scottsman families.”
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    Toulon is a nobody.
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  • FairwayFredFairwayFred Sponsors Posts: 3,966 ✭✭
    Arpeggi wrote:


    Toulon is a nobody.


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.
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  • cxxcxx Members Posts: 3,052 ✭✭
    edited Dec 2, 2018 #45
    None of these high end putter makers has any right to claim that someone copied their design. Their putters are copies of someone else's designs. As far as the color scheme of the headcovers, give me a break. If they think they have something to protect, get a trademark or copyright and sue in court.



    There have been very few original designs that worked since the ping designs. Most successful new designs gained popularity through performance in the hands of PGA tour pros. The #7 with the horns on the back and that taylormade spider come to mind. Not even sure who gets the credit for those.
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    Titleist suing Kirkland and PXG suing Taylormade are the most recent battles. This is standard MO for the industry.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    Callaway/Odyssey copies the red putters from TM.
  • cxxcxx Members Posts: 3,052 ✭✭
    RSinSG wrote:


    Titleist suing Kirkland and PXG suing Taylormade are the most recent battles. This is standard MO for the industry.




    I think the Titleist/Kirkland thing is over.
  • Scotty1140Scotty1140 Members Posts: 4,404 ✭✭
    edited Dec 2, 2018 #49
    cxx wrote:

    RSinSG wrote:


    Titleist suing Kirkland and PXG suing Taylormade are the most recent battles. This is standard MO for the industry.




    I think the Titleist/Kirkland thing is over.




    Is this why the K Sig is now a 3 piece instead of the original 4 piece?

  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 3,794 ClubWRX
    In any case, propaganda for both sides, as more entry into this specialized putter market, even the front runner needs a little attention sometimes.

    I would not be surprised is somebody ( not necessarily the principals ) from both sides had a little discussion before it happened.
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    edited Dec 2, 2018 #51

    Arpeggi wrote:


    Toulon is a nobody.


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.


    And one of the nicest most fun guys !
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    Arpeggi wrote:


    Toulon is a nobody.


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.


    And one of the nicest most fun guys !






    a genuine guy that is passionate about what he does. He is what is right about the golf industry.....
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    Sean is the kind of guy that will give a nobody the time of day and treat them like they’re the most important person in the room. One of the best in this game.
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    Marketing works. 99% of golfers I encounter do not have knowledge of the guys on this board in regards to equipment. I have had many many playing partners point out their Scotty to me and explain it is the best putter and they have never putted better. The general perception by Joe Average golfer is Scotty makes the best putters. Marketing has put this in their head and they believe it to be true. If SC steals ideas and designs almost no one notices or cares among the vast majority of golfers. They are just hoping they can afford to buy a SC one day. SC knows how to sell putters and I am sure his bank account makes him feel better when the haters hate!
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    Warrick wrote:



    Arpeggi wrote:


    Toulon is a nobody.


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.


    And one of the nicest most fun guys !






    a genuine guy that is passionate about what he does. He is what is right about the golf industry.....




    He’s a typical marketing guy. My conversation with him in 2016 followed by his Callaway live appearance turned me off of him and anything toulon related and I was a fan of the San Diego and what they were doing.
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    GoGoErky wrote:

    Warrick wrote:



    Arpeggi wrote:


    Toulon is a nobody.


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.


    And one of the nicest most fun guys !






    a genuine guy that is passionate about what he does. He is what is right about the golf industry.....




    He's a typical marketing guy. My conversation with him in 2016 followed by his Callaway live appearance turned me off of him and anything toulon related and I was a fan of the San Diego and what they were doing.




    My personal experience tells me all I need to know about the guy, pure class.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,056 ✭✭


    Sean Toulon is one of the most well known and well respected people in the golf equipment industry.



    And one of the nicest most fun guys !



    a genuine guy that is passionate about what he does. He is what is right about the golf industry.....





    He's a typical marketing guy. My conversation with him in 2016 followed by his Callaway live appearance turned me off of him and anything toulon related and I was a fan of the San Diego and what they were doing.



    My personal experience tells me all I need to know about the guy, pure class.




    Not discrediting your personal experience. Everyone has the right to feel or think how they choose based on their experiences, interactions with who or whatever. Mine are different from you on him and that doesn’t make either of us right or wrong. This isn’t a thread about Sean or his family so I’m big going to take it down that road. Just offered a different take on a person mentioned here
  • SoCalTitleistSoCalTitleist Members Posts: 3,255 ✭✭
    I don’t think he means Toulon is a nobody , I think he means he’s not as big and we’ll known as Scotty .
  • DRRicksDRRicks Banned Posts: 2,444 ClubWRX
    All of these guys should be quiet, as they all plagiarize. True putter innovation ended with Karsten Solheim a long time ago!
  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,217 ✭✭

    deep18 wrote:


    Not defending Scotty (or anyone else) but especially in putters, everyone copies everyone else. Yes there are a few examples of a groundbreaking design (like when the 2 ball came out) but for the most part, everyone is just tweaking everyone else’s ideas and around and around we go.




    Even the 2 ball was "inspired" by Dave Pelz 3 ball putter.




    Well, since Pelz was with Odyssey at the time, not really the same.
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