Tiger Woods 2019 Taylormade Irons...P7TW?

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  • MCozMCoz Members Posts: 884 ✭✭

    budcangolf wrote:


    My guess would be that they let MT make the first set and Tiger obviously liked them so they took those heads and Milled the set so they can reproduce the exact same set tiger plays and sell them for $1500+ at retail




    Only $1500?


    Likely about 1800 or less sets at $2,500 per. A small run of a set like this is very expensive to make. if they do make a set to sell they won't do it to make small margins and I wouldn't expect them to do so. There would be numerous sets for TW himself. Then numerous other sets to be given to other players and special VIPs plus some sets for potential up coming collegiate players and selected amateurs. Those are not sold for any return and yet at great costs. That's the way it has gone in the past on a smaller scale without the electricity of TW. Not many years ago TM spent great amounts of money to make various special custom prototype clubs (irons and woods) for all of their feature staff players or others that they may tried to woo into their fold. Mac Gregor used to do hand made clubs for various players from other companies, I was there years ago in Albany GA and saw racks of protos and back up clubs for many notable and big name players who may or may not have been representing MacGregor Don White himself made me a special set of wedges to my specs and grinds out of very raw, rough forged blank "blocks" while I sat and watched most of it. They finely finished them and sent them to me a couple of days later. Cost to me $0, MacGregor picked up the tab. Interestingly such things and hand protos from scratch are not as common in this decade.
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  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,054 ✭✭
    EricWGolf wrote:

    jll62 wrote:


    A couple of thoughts. All the 730 protos started off as milled heads before they forged heads. Could be the same here and they're milled as they finalize all the shaping, then he'll get forged ones later.



    But I have another thought. Take a look at the sole grinds on the irons. They're milled in the same way as the MG wedges. Could be that they're forged and then the sole is milled. Or, maybe they're just milled heads. I'm talking myself in circles.



    Can't wait to hear more!




    I can’t imagine they would put an iron in TW’s hands if it wasn’t forged. Even for testing. So, forged with a milled face/grooves??



    Just thinking out loud here.




    Mike Taylor gets the forged blanks and mills them to TW's spec....I guarantee you that is how these are processed, just like his wedges. This set has a little more TM flair but I'm sure they were built the same way.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭
    MCoz wrote:


    budcangolf wrote:


    My guess would be that they let MT make the first set and Tiger obviously liked them so they took those heads and Milled the set so they can reproduce the exact same set tiger plays and sell them for $1500+ at retail




    Only $1500?


    Likely about 1800 or less sets at $2,500 per. A small run of a set like this is very expensive to make. if they do make a set to sell they won't do it to make small margins and I wouldn't expect them to do so. There would be numerous sets for TW himself. Then numerous other sets to be given to other players and special VIPs plus some sets for potential up coming collegiate players and selected amateurs. Those are not sold for any return and yet at great costs. That's the way it has gone in the past on a smaller scale without the electricity of TW. Not many years ago TM spent great amounts of money to make various special custom prototype clubs (irons and woods) for all of their feature staff players or others that they may tried to woo into their fold. Mac Gregor used to do hand made clubs for various players from other companies, I was there years ago in Albany GA and saw racks of protos and back up clubs for many notable and big name players who may or may not have been representing MacGregor Don White himself made me a special set of wedges to my specs and grinds out of very raw, rough forged blank "blocks" while I sat and watched most of it. They finely finished them and sent them to me a couple of days later. Cost to me $0, MacGregor picked up the tab. Interestingly such things and hand protos from scratch are not as common in this decade.




    I hope they are a full bore release like the P730s.
  • cota0429cota0429 ClubWRX Posts: 3,512 ClubWRX
    From what I understand is TW has weight added to certain parts of the head and a lot of extra work goes into his heads. Something that can’t just be “milled” these looks sweet though and off the rack it might be close in shape to what he plays but we most likely will never get something from TM that TW truly plays.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭
    cota0429 wrote:


    From what I understand is TW has weight added to certain parts of the head and a lot of extra work goes into his heads. Something that can’t just be “milled” these looks sweet though and off the rack it might be close in shape to what he plays but we most likely will never get something from TM that TW truly plays.




    Heck, Ill take a close resemblance to TWs irons anytime. Wedges too..
  • b81smithb81smith ClubWRX Posts: 746 ✭✭
    Cannot believe some people get to do things like this for a living. Wow. We toil all day everyday and barely scrape by. Others coast through life and make a killing.



    This video is awesome.
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  • ago33ago33 Members Posts: 2,155 ✭✭
    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future

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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭
    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Yeah, I’m not so sure about that...
  • mBiden2mBiden2 #15 and counting..... Atlanta, GAMembers Posts: 760 ✭✭
    cota0429 wrote:
    From what I understand is TW has weight added to certain parts of the head and a lot of extra work goes into his heads. Something that can’t just be “milled” these looks sweet though and off the rack it might be close in shape to what he plays but we most likely will never get something from TM that TW truly plays.




    Glad to see a Nike guru, like yourself, chiming in on this topic. Great interview on TG2 by the way. I envy your club collection and Nike “one offs”. Can’t wait to see your MT wedges when you get them!
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,850 ✭✭
    cota0429 wrote:


    From what I understand is TW has weight added to certain parts of the head and a lot of extra work goes into his heads. Something that can’t just be “milled” these looks sweet though and off the rack it might be close in shape to what he plays but we most likely will never get something from TM that TW truly plays.




    Exactly true. Tm can keep trying. But you’re going to see artisan blades and wedges in the bag in the end.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,850 ✭✭
    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭

    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.




    TW is slowly turning into a club ho. You never know, some of the new stuff he is testing could make its way to his bag this year. I hope we find out soon.
  • MCozMCoz Members Posts: 884 ✭✭
    [background=transparent]Tiger has always tested other equipment in off tour rounds at home. Even when tied to Nike contracts. I know TM made Drivers and FWs numerous times over the years. Pretty sure there was others. I believe that Orlimar made some testers for him in his early Titleist days also.[/background]
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭
    edited Jan 6, 2019 6:48pm #45
    MCoz wrote:


    [background=transparent]Tiger has always tested other equipment in off tour rounds at home. Even when tied to Nike contracts. I know TM made Drivers and FWs numerous times over the years. Pretty sure there was others. I believe that Orlimar made some testers for him in his early Titleist days also.[/background]




    Yep, TW loved the R510 TP bad even had it in the bag very very briefly.
  • Jordan SpeethJordan Speeth ClubWRX Posts: 1,090 ClubWRX
    EricWGolf wrote:

    jll62 wrote:


    A couple of thoughts. All the 730 protos started off as milled heads before they forged heads. Could be the same here and they're milled as they finalize all the shaping, then he'll get forged ones later.



    But I have another thought. Take a look at the sole grinds on the irons. They're milled in the same way as the MG wedges. Could be that they're forged and then the sole is milled. Or, maybe they're just milled heads. I'm talking myself in circles.



    Can't wait to hear more!




    I can’t imagine they would put an iron in TW’s hands if it wasn’t forged. Even for testing. So, forged with a milled face/grooves??



    Just thinking out loud here.




    You can mill a club head from a forged block of carbon steel. They can forge it into a rectangular block (or whatever other rough shape they want to start with) and throw it into the CNC mill and out comes a club. I'm going to say that they've also done some final grinding/shaping/finishing to dial it in even further to Tiger's liking.
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  • swgolf12swgolf12 Members Posts: 896 ✭✭

    MCoz wrote:


    [background=transparent]Tiger has always tested other equipment in off tour rounds at home. Even when tied to Nike contracts. I know TM made Drivers and FWs numerous times over the years. Pretty sure there was others. I believe that Orlimar made some testers for him in his early Titleist days also.[/background]




    Yep, TW loved the R510 TP bad even had it in the bag very very briefly.




    I believe it was actually a R500.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭
    edited Jan 7, 2019 2:13pm #48
    swgolf12 wrote:


    MCoz wrote:


    [background=transparent]Tiger has always tested other equipment in off tour rounds at home. Even when tied to Nike contracts. I know TM made Drivers and FWs numerous times over the years. Pretty sure there was others. I believe that Orlimar made some testers for him in his early Titleist days also.[/background]




    Yep, TW loved the R510 TP bad even had it in the bag very very briefly.




    I believe it was actually a R500.




    I’ll look for the article/pic. He actually had the R510 TP, may have been in a practice round or something. The site I was on at the time was in a total uproar..
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    You mean this?



    R510 TP

    May 2003

    Deutsche Bank SAP Open, Gut Laden GC, Hamburg, Germany



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  • JakeW13JakeW13 Members Posts: 48 ✭✭


    You mean this?



    R510 TP

    May 2003

    Deutsche Bank SAP Open, Gut Laden GC, Hamburg, Germany







    Any comments or teasers you can give us on the P7TWs Tiger's got in his bag?
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    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.




    TW is slowly turning into a club ho. You never know, some of the new stuff he is testing could make its way to his bag this year. I hope we find out soon.




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  • youngwaldoyoungwaldo NJMembers Posts: 3,211 ✭✭
    Very nice. So pure.



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  • MuniPukeLifeMuniPukeLife MuniPuke Members Posts: 138 ✭✭
    MCoz wrote:


    budcangolf wrote:


    My guess would be that they let MT make the first set and Tiger obviously liked them so they took those heads and Milled the set so they can reproduce the exact same set tiger plays and sell them for $1500+ at retail




    Only $1500?


    Likely about 1800 or less sets at $2,500 per. A small run of a set like this is very expensive to make. if they do make a set to sell they won't do it to make small margins and I wouldn't expect them to do so. There would be numerous sets for TW himself. Then numerous other sets to be given to other players and special VIPs plus some sets for potential up coming collegiate players and selected amateurs. Those are not sold for any return and yet at great costs. That's the way it has gone in the past on a smaller scale without the electricity of TW. Not many years ago TM spent great amounts of money to make various special custom prototype clubs (irons and woods) for all of their feature staff players or others that they may tried to woo into their fold. Mac Gregor used to do hand made clubs for various players from other companies, I was there years ago in Albany GA and saw racks of protos and back up clubs for many notable and big name players who may or may not have been representing MacGregor Don White himself made me a special set of wedges to my specs and grinds out of very raw, rough forged blank "blocks" while I sat and watched most of it. They finely finished them and sent them to me a couple of days later. Cost to me $0, MacGregor picked up the tab. Interestingly such things and hand protos from scratch are not as common in this decade.


    That's awesome.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭


    You mean this?



    R510 TP

    May 2003

    Deutsche Bank SAP Open, Gut Laden GC, Hamburg, Germany







    Bingo:)
  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,503 ✭✭



    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.




    TW is slowly turning into a club ho. You never know, some of the new stuff he is testing could make its way to his bag this year. I hope we find out soon.




    When do you think he'll play them? #AskingForAFriend




    Hopefully we see them here in a few weeks:)
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    Those look **** fine to me. Can't wait to see what he does with them this season.

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  • chadly643chadly643 Members Posts: 457 ✭✭
    I am not a machinist, but isn’t the milling just a way to use a machine to do the work that Mike Taylor does by hand on a grinding wheel? He takes a forged club blank and uses his hands and a grinder to create the final shape. I’d assume TM is taking forged blanks and using a computer controlled mill to get the same results without having to clone Mike Taylor. Forging or casting is how you get the blanks, milling and grinding is how you finish the clubs. Is this accurate?
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,850 ✭✭
    edited Jan 8, 2019 8:32am #58



    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.




    TW is slowly turning into a club ho. You never know, some of the new stuff he is testing could make its way to his bag this year. I hope we find out soon.




    When do you think he'll play them? #AskingForAFriend




    Will he play them is the question. And if he does which revision will it be ?



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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,850 ✭✭
    chadly643 wrote:


    I am not a machinist, but isn’t the milling just a way to use a machine to do the work that Mike Taylor does by hand on a grinding wheel? He takes a forged club blank and uses his hands and a grinder to create the final shape. I’d assume TM is taking forged blanks and using a computer controlled mill to get the same results without having to clone Mike Taylor. Forging or casting is how you get the blanks, milling and grinding is how you finish the clubs. Is this accurate?




    In theory. Yes. I’d say Mr Taylor has his hands on them regardless of whether a mill or his grinders are used. Tm had trouble building the first set to suit tiger ...months of trying. . No reason to think they have cracked the code now.
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  • No_Catchy_NicknameNo_Catchy_Nickname Kyushu,_JapanMembers Posts: 5,191 ✭✭




    ago33 wrote:


    hold on...



    He's only testing two irons. Therefore it might take some time to get the atoms in the head are in proper alignment.



    Also, on the wedge shot, everyone else hits a hi toe wedge, tiger stays with his normal LW



    Right now, nothing to see here but maybe, just maybe in the future




    Exactly. All you’re seeing is a test round. And we know how quick he kicks things to the curb. Otherwise the sticks he’s playing wouldn’t still be in the bag.




    TW is slowly turning into a club ho. You never know, some of the new stuff he is testing could make its way to his bag this year. I hope we find out soon.




    When do you think he'll play them? #AskingForAFriend




    Hopefully we see them here in a few weeks:)




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  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,207 ✭✭
    chadly643 wrote:


    I am not a machinist, but isn't the milling just a way to use a machine to do the work that Mike Taylor does by hand on a grinding wheel? He takes a forged club blank and uses his hands and a grinder to create the final shape. I'd assume TM is taking forged blanks and using a computer controlled mill to get the same results without having to clone Mike Taylor. Forging or casting is how you get the blanks, milling and grinding is how you finish the clubs. Is this accurate?




    Chance are they take MT's grind, put it on a CMM, digitize profile and program a NC miller to replicate it to near exact specs and then finish sand.



    I worry retail will be neutered because TW likes them heavy, tall faced and with added mass in the vertical. My hope is that they don't mess with it, in the way it was done on the 681 or get real dopey and strengthen the lofts. Offer them in S400, to true spec, I'm buying them.
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