Koepka defends title; shows charisma with fist pump; glfwrx goes wild

[Darth Putter]

You may be sick of looking at it, but here is the history of "the sign."

https://www.golf.com/news/features/2019/05/13/bethpage-black-sign-mysterious-history-iconic-warning-sign/

[Josh L.]

Is anyone else more excited about the PGA this year because of the scheduling change? Seems like a bigger tournament now.

[Big Ben]

For all of us in the Midwest and Northeast we are keenly aware these boys better be good mudders this week. It’s been a cold, WET spring to say the least. The Black is gonna play LONG and tough. BB

[ebrasmus21]

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> > @ebrasmus21 said:

> > > @Ferguson said:

> > > > @bscinstnct said:

> > > > > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > > > > @bscinstnct said:

> > > > > > > @legitimategolf said:

> > > > > > > The PGA has traditionally been the least loved and appreciated major around here. But it feels even less loved and appreciated than usual right about now. I blame the a) schedule change b) spring weather in the Northeast and 3) the new forum software.

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> > > > > > Nah, wait til Thurs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This thing is gonna blow up bigtime. Got TW and the whole crew in NYC? **Fuhgedaboudit**.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TW gonna get #16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And make this pic look like a gathering at a Sunday bake sale in Mayberry ; )

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> > > > > This will only be my 2nd time going to a PGA Major out in the greater NYC area so it will probably confirm just how savage northeastern (especially NYC area) golf fans are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Highlights from last year's US Open on Saturday

> > > > > 1) People constantly screaming SLICK RICKKK at Ricky Fowler, virtually non stop.

> > > > > 2) Kids yelling CHUCKY THREE STICKS!!! @Howell 3rd.

> > > > > 3) Can't recall exactly but it was either after Phil's putt on #8 or right after he teed off on #9 but somebody yelled, PHIL YOU'RE MY DADDD!!! at the top of their lungs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably more but those few stuck out.

> > > >

> > > > That's it? Sounds like my daily subway ride ; )

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> > > > If TW wins here it's gonna be like Lord of the Flies!

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> > > > I'm going early, see TW on the range, try to follow him, jump ahead, meet my buddy, see Phil a bit. Then I'm out. Should be gone before all the clowns who get drunk off 2 beers get too lubricated.

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> > > BSC - you should carry around a large sponge-like index finger so we can see you on TV.

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> > Or maybe Basic could wear this little gem:

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> Yeah only a true madlad would wear a bolo tie.

 

But.. I’ve worn a bolo before :(

[driveandputtmachine]

Watched this after work today. The "rough" isn't that bad, but beyond the rough where you get into the super tall stuff it gets nasty.

 

[tiderider]

> @"Long Shot" said:

> > @tiderider said:

> > > @"Long Shot" said:

> > > > @tiderider said:

> > > > who all has played the black? ... played it 2 years ago for the only time, thus far, though will play it on a 2-day layover this june before heading to scotland ... played the red on a monday, and got a little too excited that night about being in long island and playing bethpage ... drank way too much wine and had a fairly decent hangover the next day as i got up at 6 to go acquire a tee time ... teed off at 9 and shot a smooth 78 from the whites carrying 11 clubs ... got up/down for par from the fairway on 15/16 and that deep left bunker on 17 ... very proud of that one ...

> > >

> > > The red is a great course, unfortunately you didn't get a full taste for the course, two of what I think are the best holes on the front are severely shortened. The first hole; a beast of a par 4 is playing only as a 95 yards par three, and the all up hill par five number 5 is playing as a short (300 yard) par 4. Not sure if they shortened any other holes out. The back nine is a beast from the tips. The red is a fun and yet challenging course to play. Hopefully you will get to play it again, perhaps do a red and black 36 in one day. That is an awesome day of golf (and you can take a cart on the red for the 2nd round).

> >

> > ?? ... the first hole when i played the red was a monster par 4 ... walked it also ...

>

> Thought you meant you played red this Monday.

 

you're saying they changed the first hole from a 470 yd par 4 to a par 3? ... that sucks ... why would they do that?

[bspn]

> > > @tiderider said:

>

> you're saying they changed the first hole from a 470 yd par 4 to a par 3? ... that sucks ... why would they do that?

They typically use the first fairway on Red for hospitality and given how far in advance they set these things up they convert #1 to a par 3 so that the course can remain open for as long as possible. A real shame for those playing it, as #1 on Red is one of the best (and hardest) opening holes you will find

 

[jmvargas]

> @bspn said:

> > > > @tiderider said:

> >

> > you're saying they changed the first hole from a 470 yd par 4 to a par 3? ... that sucks ... why would they do that?

> They typically use the first fairway on Red for hospitality and given how far in advance they set these things up they convert #1 to a par 3 so that the course can remain open for as long as possible. A real shame for those playing it, as #1 on Red is one of the best (and hardest) opening holes you will find

>

 

that is exactly what I found out when I played the Red about 2 weeks after the US Open in 2002...

 

the hole was still a short par-3 as some of the tents weren't fully removed yet..

 

at least it made me start with a par..

 

 

 

[bscinstnct]

> @jmvargas said:

> > @bspn said:

> > > > > @tiderider said:

> > >

> > > you're saying they changed the first hole from a 470 yd par 4 to a par 3? ... that sucks ... why would they do that?

> > They typically use the first fairway on Red for hospitality and given how far in advance they set these things up they convert #1 to a par 3 so that the course can remain open for as long as possible. A real shame for those playing it, as #1 on Red is one of the best (and hardest) opening holes you will find

> >

>

> that is exactly what I found out when I played the Red about 2 weeks after the US Open in 2002...

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> the hole was still a short par-3 as some of the tents weren't fully removed yet..

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> at least it made me start with a par..

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Ha! I remember playing the red, think it was the red, after an event and had to blast an approach shot over a tent. Hit a good shot too. Wasnt the first hole though.

[Ronnie Mundt]

> @driveandputtmachine said:

> Watched this after work today. The "rough" isn't that bad, but beyond the rough where you get into the super tall stuff it gets nasty.

>

>

If I was paired with that Brodie Smith guy I’d probably walk off of the course. His friend Patrick seemed cool, but Brodie? He sounds like the louder, bearded and slightly taller cousin of Billy Horschel.

[tiderider]

> @bspn said:

> > > > @tiderider said:

> >

> > you're saying they changed the first hole from a 470 yd par 4 to a par 3? ... that sucks ... why would they do that?

> They typically use the first fairway on Red for hospitality and given how far in advance they set these things up they convert #1 to a par 3 so that the course can remain open for as long as possible. A real shame for those playing it, as #1 on Red is one of the best (and hardest) opening holes you will find

>

 

ok ... we got mixed up ... yes, it is a fabulous opening hole ... down/up and long ...

[Ferguson]

Did a little reading about AW Tillinghast. That dude was an animal, vintage lampshade at parties and everything. He loved to indulge and defined a typical well-to-do roaring 20's man about town.

 

[tiderider]

> @Ferguson said:

> Did a little reading about AW Tillinghast. That dude was an animal, vintage lampshade at parties and everything. He loved to indulge and defined a typical well-to-do roaring 20's man about town.

>

 

posted an article in the OP that explains he's not really the designer of the course ...

 

per golf.com: _Tuesday is expected to be chilly, with temperatures hovering in the mid-to-high 40s coupled with a steady breeze blowing around 10 mph. More rain is expected on Tuesday evening. The good news? The weather should improve by Thursday. On Wednesday, the temperature is forecast to rise significantly, to a high of 64 degrees. Evening rain on Wednesday may extend into Thursday morning, but after that, it should be partly cloudy skies and perfect spring temperatures in the mid-60s for the duration of the championship. The wind is expected to stay mild, at around 10-12 mph each day._

[Ferguson]

> @tiderider said:

> > @Ferguson said:

> > Did a little reading about AW Tillinghast. That dude was an animal, vintage lampshade at parties and everything. He loved to indulge and defined a typical well-to-do roaring 20's man about town.

> >

>

> posted an article in the OP that explains he's not really the designer of the course ...

>

> per golf.com: _Tuesday is expected to be chilly, with temperatures hovering in the mid-to-high 40s coupled with a steady breeze blowing around 10 mph. More rain is expected on Tuesday evening. The good news? The weather should improve by Thursday. On Wednesday, the temperature is forecast to rise significantly, to a high of 64 degrees. Evening rain on Wednesday may extend into Thursday morning, but after that, it should be partly cloudy skies and perfect spring temperatures in the mid-60s for the duration of the championship. The wind is expected to stay mild, at around 10-12 mph each day._

 

Good article. I'm glad they found the proof. No doubt Tillinghast, the **Richard Rawlings** of the period, simply took credit for the entire project even though his input was only that of a consultant. I know more than a dozen architects and every single one of them is a credit monger.

 

 

What did they expect in May?

[Long Shot]

Spring in the last 5 or so years (maybe more) has been non-existent. We have had brutal March Like weather, wind and cold until late may early June, then poof... it turns to summer. Not like it used to be, when we had four distinct seasons on Long Island.

[NaBUru38]

Notable foreigners:

 

* British & Irish: Justin Rose, Rory McIlroy, Paul Casey, Tommy Fleetwood, Ian Poulter, Shane Lowry, Matt Wallace, Eddie Pepperell, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Tyrrell Hatton.

* Continental Europeans: Francesco Molinari, Jon Rahm, Sergio García, Rafa Cabrera Bello, Alex Noren, Henrik Stenson, Joost Luiten, Martin Kaymer.

* Asians: Hideki Matsuyama, Haotong Li, Kiradech Aphibarnrat, C.T. Pan, Siwoo Kim, Byeong Hun An, Sungjae Im, Jazz Janewattananond, Shugo Imahira, Sunghoon Kang, Satoshi Kodaira.

* Aus & NZ: Jason Day, Marc Leishman, Adam Scott, Cameron Smith, Ryan Fox, Danny Lee.

* Other notable players: Louis Oosthuizen, Justin Harding, Branden Grace, Adam Hadwin, Corey Conners, Emiliano Grillo, Abraham Ancer, Jhonattan Vegas, Joaquín Niemann, Vijay Singh.

[QuigleyDU]

I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

[jtitleist12]

I'm sorry if I have missed it, but how is Rich Beem able to play in this tournament?

[gioguy21]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

 

if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

[bscinstnct]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

 

 

[QuigleyDU]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

>

> if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

 

That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

[gioguy21]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> >

> > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

>

> That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

 

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> >

> > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

>

> That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

 

no, it's a par 5.

[Ferguson]

This tournament will be won by the guy who can adjust to playing in cooler and slower conditions. It will take a combination of course knowledge and patience to stay out of the penal rough and bunkers and get his named engraved on Sunday. The guy who has his approach game under control will be best suited. The bombers will be tested.

 

 

[legitimategolf]

> @"Long Shot" said:

> Spring in the last 5 or so years (maybe more) has been non-existent. We have had brutal March Like weather, wind and cold until late may early June, then poof... it turns to summer. Not like it used to be, when we had four distinct seasons on Long Island.

 

And in that time, spring has become my least favorite time to play golf in the Northeast. Spring turf conditions are the worst.

[JohnnyCashForever]

> @Ferguson said:

> This tournament will be won by the guy who can adjust to playing in cooler and slower conditions.

>

>

Could be Rory's year.

 

[JaNelson38]

> @jtitleist12 said:

> I'm sorry if I have missed it, but how is Rich Beem able to play in this tournament?

 

He beat Tiger in the 2002 PGA. Former champions are exempt to the PGA Championship until they are 65 years old, if they choose to play.

[QuigleyDU]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> > >

> > > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

> >

> > That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

>

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> > >

> > > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

> >

> > That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

>

> no, it's a par 5.

 

Then you are probably correct. Isnt there a front nine par 5 playing as a par 4?

[gioguy21]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> > > >

> > > > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

> > >

> > > That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

> >

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > I would love to see what the average drive is this week. I am guessing it will be 30-40 yards shorter due to wet grass and no roll.

> > > >

> > > > if it were august -- the 4th hole would be playing considerably under par...but in wet conditions, it will be much closer to par.

> > >

> > > That is playing as a par 4 this week correct? I am not sure that hole as a par 4 will ever be "considerably" under par. If a par 5, you have a point.

> >

> > no, it's a par 5.

>

> Then you are probably correct. Isnt there a front nine par 5 playing as a par 4?

 

that would be #7; that hole will be beast if it's wet. tiger hit driver off the tee, then played a 5w AND and 3w and came up short...

[QuigleyDU]

> @Ferguson said:

> This tournament will be won by the guy who can adjust to playing in cooler and slower conditions. It will take a combination of course knowledge and patience to stay out of the penal rough and bunkers and get his named engraved on Sunday. The guy who has his approach game under control will be best suited. The bombers will be tested.

>

>

 

Seems to me that the bombers have the most to gain with wet conditions and less roll. They can air it out and not run the ball through as many fairways. It will be the guy that can handle mud balls.

[flushem]

> @NaBUru38 said:

> Notable foreigners:

>

> * British & Irish: Justin Rose, Rory McIlroy, Paul Casey, Tommy Fleetwood, Ian Poulter, Shane Lowry, Matt Wallace, Eddie Pepperell, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Tyrrell Hatton.

> * Continental Europeans: Francesco Molinari, Jon Rahm, Sergio García, Rafa Cabrera Bello, Alex Noren, Henrik Stenson, Joost Luiten, Martin Kaymer.

> * Asians: Hideki Matsuyama, Haotong Li, Kiradech Aphibarnrat, C.T. Pan, Siwoo Kim, Byeong Hun An, Sungjae Im, Jazz Janewattananond, Shugo Imahira, Sunghoon Kang, Satoshi Kodaira.

> * Aus & NZ: Jason Day, Marc Leishman, Adam Scott, Cameron Smith, Ryan Fox, Danny Lee.

> * Other notable players: Louis Oosthuizen, Justin Harding, Branden Grace, Adam Hadwin, Corey Conners, Emiliano Grillo, Abraham Ancer, Jhonattan Vegas, Joaquín Niemann, Vijay Singh.

 

You forgot to add YE Yang, twice Tiger Beater.