Xander Schauffele's Callaway Driver Failed COR Test

[Springbok45]

How and where is the testing done, if they're pulled off the range randomly by an official to go to a tent with the club and have it slapped in a test rig it's not going to be all that secret as there will be others being tested waiting around too so the results are probably fairly common knowledge. If it's done in a sealed room with no one else in attendance it's more of an issue.

He sounds, to me, like he's throwing a wobbler cause someone has wound him up about it and considering no one has put out any headlines about this till he brought it up he looks like a plank. Sounds like part of the Brooks mind games to get the opposition to take themselves out of the tournament before it starts;p

[bladehunter]

> @golfgirlrobin said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > >

> > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > >

> > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> >

> > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

>

> The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

>

> Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

>

>

>

>

 

I respect your opinion.

 

But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

 

I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

 

Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

[buckeyefl]

> @golfgirlrobin said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > >

> > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > >

> > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> >

> > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

>

> The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

>

> Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

>

>

>

>

 

Drug testing, yes.

Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

 

Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

 

Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were conforming?

 

The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

[Hack Daddy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > >

> > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > >

> > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > >

> > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> >

> > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> >

> > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> I respect your opinion.

>

> But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

>

> I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

>

> Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

 

His equipment. His responsibility.

 

Period. End of discussion.

[Hack Daddy]

> @buckeyefl said:

> > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > >

> > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > >

> > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > >

> > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> >

> > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> >

> > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Drug testing, yes.

> Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

>

> Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

>

> Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

>

> The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

 

Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

 

Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

 

You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

[buckeyefl]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > >

> > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > >

> > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > >

> > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> >

> > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> >

> > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> I respect your opinion.

>

> But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

>

> I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

>

> Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

 

This. Something is wrong because as you said they put the numbers right on the heads after testing.

[Man_O_War]

it would only be fair if all/each driver is tested..or a sample of a model is tested and if found to be an issue..no one can play that model.

[bladehunter]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I respect your opinion.

> >

> > But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

> >

> > I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

> >

> > Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

>

> His equipment. His responsibility.

>

> Period. End of discussion.

 

Lol. How so ? Do you think he has a testing facility in his bag ?

[bladehunter]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @buckeyefl said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Drug testing, yes.

> > Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

> >

> > Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

> >

> > Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

> >

> > The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

No. I don’t know what you’re saying. And I don’t think you do either.

 

Testing isn’t something a player can do for each event. For irons for example. They have to be sent to New Jersey to the USga for grooves testing. Which entails a fixture and a robotic laser scan of the grooves depth /width and angles. You cannot DIY this.

[Jc0]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @buckeyefl said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Drug testing, yes.

> > Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

> >

> > Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

> >

> > Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

> >

> > The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

So you would check every golf ball in the bag to make sure it conforms to the USGA golf ball dimension and speed requirements? You would check every groove on every club to make they are legally spaced and have correct groove edges? You would check your driver to make sure it conforms to the CT specs? And you would do all this after being to told by the manufacture that the balls and clubs are all legal and are good to be used.

 

You don't blame the driver if a race car fails inspection, you blame the mechanics who set it up. You don't blame the player if the equipment they are provided by the manufacturer is non-conforming because it is the manufactures responsibility to make sure they are providing conforming equipment.

[Jc0]

> @Man_O_War said:

> it would only be fair if all/each driver is tested..or a sample of a model is tested and if found to be an issue..no one can play that model.

 

The sample model test is how clubs ends up on the conforming list. The usga tests a certain number and I think all have to pass in order for the club to be certified as conforming.

[15th Club]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I respect your opinion.

> >

> > But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

> >

> > I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

> >

> > Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

>

> His equipment. His responsibility.

>

> Period. End of discussion.

 

 

No, in this case it is just the beginning of the discussion. The rule, the testing procedures, the R&A protocols; all are beyond reproach. Certainly Xander Schauffele isn’t challenging any of that, so why would anyone else?

 

Again, the only question is how test results are handled. It sure seems like there’s been lots of Tour gossip about the results. To what extent that gossip is attributable to the R&A actually merits a lot of discussion.

 

Was Callaway informed? Did a Callaway rep talk to a Taylormade rep who talked to a Titleist rep who talked to PXG and Srixon reps, all of whom talked to their own staff players, and all of whom were comparing notes on who was tested?

 

 

 

[buckeyefl]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @buckeyefl said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Drug testing, yes.

> > Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

> >

> > Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

> >

> > Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

> >

> > The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

In other news apples are not oranges.

[idrive]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @buckeyefl said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Drug testing, yes.

> > Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

> >

> > Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

> >

> > Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

> >

> > The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

So you have them checked before every round, tourny?

[farmer]

Checking lofts and lies is a relatively simple procedure, which can be done at home. According to legend, Lanny Wadkins checked his after every practice session. Testing COR, not a diy project. Been mentioned, but probably .8333 or .84, not legal but not a real advantage.

[jamie]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > > >

> > > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I respect your opinion.

> > >

> > > But just disagree that he holds any responsibility in this. A player of any level cannot possibly be held accountable for a manufacturing error. The idea that drivers change to illegal during course of play is just false. The driver he was hitting was the same spec it is now when he chose it. He was assured then it was legal by the spec pass sticker it had.

> > >

> > > I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

> > >

> > > Have they released the actual measured fail test ? Is it over the actual limit ? Or over the limit And the supposed margain of error that has always been listed as ok and allowed ?

> >

> > His equipment. His responsibility.

> >

> > Period. End of discussion.

>

> Lol. How so ? Do you think he has a testing facility in his bag ?

 

Ya don’t you know that Hack takes his car every morning to have an emissions test...his car, his responsibility.

[JohnnyCashForever]

> @bladehunter said:

 

> I’d bet anything the issue here is a disagreement between two testing parties and a driver that is either on the edge or over /under it by a small amount.

 

Interesting theory. Very plausible IMO.

 

 

 

 

[nsxguy]

> @golfgirlrobin said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > >

> > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > >

> > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> >

> > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

>

> The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

>

> Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

>

>

>

>

 

Sorry Robin but he wasn't complaining about the testing process nor that HE got "caught". And he DID take the consequences. He went and replaced the head. End of problem.

 

I don't know the exact sequence of events but it sounds to me Schauffle initially got upset and spilled the beans publicly himself because a FC inferred he was, or called him, a cheater.

 

And I'm sorry but not all "razzing" is created equal.

 

I don't know who said it but there are lots of different nationalities on the Pro Tours so a lot of different upbringings within, and outside of golf, not to mention English being a foreign language to a number of them, so perhaps joking(?) about someone "cheating" isn't quite as big a deal elsewhere but,,,,,,,,,

 

IMO there is a "line" that people do not cross in all sorts of circumstances. Said line often "moves" a bit depending on the status of who's talking to you. Consider an ethnic joke that one of the same ethnicity can crack but one of another ethnicity dare NOT. Or something a friend of yours might say to you that you'd just laugh your butt off but if someone you didn't know said it,,,,,,,,,,

 

In golf I would consider that line to be where one is calling, or even inferring, another player is a cheater. If you really BELIEVE it, report the guy/occurrence but it is NOT something one "jokes" about unless they are very good friends AND it's done in private.

 

Now, maybe you're right and ALL the test results should be made public but then, of course, you're going to get the "ALL drivers need to be tested then, not just 30 of,,,,,," and that would be correct.

 

Anyway, just another "tempest in a teapot". Fitting given it's the Open Championship, no ? LOL

[MadGolfer76]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > > > @MadGolfer76 said:

> > > > > >Unless I am missing something with that...?

> > > > >

> > > > > What you're missing is this:

> > > > > https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=cp&section=rule&rulenum=5&subrulenum=5

> > > >

> > > > "Selected teeing areas" is what that link shows for me? Is that the right one?

> > >

> > > Oops, fat fingers here. Should be this one:

> > > https://www.usga.org/ConformingGolfBall/conforming_golf_ball.asp

> > Okay, but what I was getting at are the individualized tour player models that are made only for particular players. I don't see those expressed in that pdf? Or, at least I don't see names listed next to different balls.

> >

>

> We're safe. Every ball played in R&A, USGA, state and regional golf association, and professional tour competitions is listed. The list is updated once a month. Visit Far Hills sometime, there's testing of balls and equipment going on all day every day. The public is invited to tour the facility.

Nice. Always wondered how that worked. Thanks.

 

[jll62]

> @dwboston said:

> > @jll62 said:

> > > @Titletown said:

> > > > @SAM_PGA said:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It depends on how non-conforming it is. There was a study posted here a while ago discussing how different COR values affect distance. Basically with the margin of error in today's manufacturing even drivers that are over their COR value add very little distance. Furthermore, the tour vans test clubs for their players. I bet his was right on the edge when they initially tested it and barely failed the R&A test. There are also margin of errors in the measuring devices.

> > > >

> > > > Completely agree with this... Not one manufacturer is going to let a non-conforming driver into play on a world wide platform. Additionally (I can only speak of Titlest) has a routine schedule of testing every single driver they have on play to ensure they do not exceed the illegal line. If a Titleist driver is on the line, they know there is a very good chance that the next time it is tested it could be illegal... A back-up, if it doesn't already exist, will go into production.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I don't mean to be a smart-a$$ here because I don't know a **** thing about COR, but you say no manufacturer would let a non-conforming driver into play, but Callaway did. I don't blame Xander one bit, but someone has to be at fault. There had to be someone on the tour truck that knew this was non-conforming. Or am I missing something?

> >

> > I'm no fan of Callaway, but this is all much ado about nothing. When Xander put the head into play, I would bet a lot of money that it was conforming (but very close to the limit after accounting for tolerance). No company is going to intentionally put a non-conforming driver into use these days. His head almost certainly became non-conforming after use.

> >

> > I do agree with Xander that only testing a 30 club sample isn't equitable. Either test them all, or don't test any.

>

> There's a reason the number 30 is chosen. It's called the Central Limit Theorem in statistics. To boil it down, if the sample is sufficiently large, the distribution of results tends to be normally distributed, and sufficiently large has been found to be a sample of at least 30. Doing a sample of 30 will give you comparable results to testing the entire population, at less time and cost.

 

I'm fully versed in the concept, thanks. My point was not to argue against 30 being of sufficient size to give statistically significant results, but rather the idea that testing only a sample of drivers is equitable for the players who are found to have a non-conforming driver. I feel that if a player is forced to remove their driver from play days before a major championship, then every player should face the same scrutiny.

 

I'd be okay with a 30 driver sample size if the R&A was doing it simply as research and not as a tool for enforcement.

[Soloman1]

I hate it when puffed up people say, “Period. End of discussion.”

 

Period. End of discussion. :)

[MaxBuck]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

I've never heard of an amateur golfer having the COR on his or her driver checked. I doubt 1 in 100,000 golfers has done so.

[new2g0lf]

> @"Hack Daddy" said:

> > @buckeyefl said:

> > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @golfgirlrobin said:

> > > > > So you have a simple equipment issue that has happened to players before you, and will happen again, and instead of letting the story die on Tuesday or Wednesday, you drag it out for the entire tournament. No one thinks you cheated, people are capable of understanding the concept of manufacturing tolerances, people understand that the pro’s equipment is intended to be as close to the line as possible without going over, and there is no actual penalty of any kind, and yet XS has reduced himself to being the guy who points at others and says “well, they did it, too”.

> > > > >

> > > > > He certainly didn’t complain about the testing process until he was caught and now it’s suddenly not good enough? Now he’s worried about others having an advantage? The whole argument is completely disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think most of his problem is that he’s getting razzed by the other players and he can’t take it.

> > > >

> > > > Probably true. But on the flip side. Why should he need to take it ? Speaking out is likely The only way to shut them up . Afterall. The system in place did fail him , right ? It’s not as if he has any control over it.

> > >

> > > The problem with the system is that it’s designed to keep secrets, and people only keep secrets until it’s more interesting not to. The answer is transparency, but the tour holds onto every bit of information as tightly as they can. Put out a list every week and everyone eventually ends up on it, hide it and it becomes a story. Same is true of disciplinary actions, drug test results, etc.

> > >

> > > Don’t want to take the razzing? If it’s going to bother you that much, check your driver periodically. You know the random tests are out there; be a little proactive, take some responsibility. You played a non conforming club, it affected the field, if only by a little, there ought to be some consequences. If you don’t want to take on that added responsibility, then stand up and take a few smart a** comments and don’t be a whinger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Drug testing, yes.

> > Clubs that your sponsor tests and are confirming as far as you know, no. That's out if the players hands and they shouldn't have to do their own testing. Besides that's not the issue at hand. His name should not be out there and that's what he's rightfully upset about.

> >

> > Also it didn't effect the field at all. It's zero advantage. Also he gained the exact opposite of an advantage thanks to someone's lack of professionalism and having to out a new driver in the bag.

> >

> > Now imagine you are playing in a local tournament and they decide to do a groove check. Well it turns out you had a groove on one club that was non-conforming so we notify everyone, you lose the title and forever deemed a cheat. Should you have to check your own grooves to protect the field after the manufacturer said they were confirming?

> >

> > The only person hurt in this is the player. The company screwed up which is why this has no reason to be out in the public. Drug tests where someone knowingly decides to use banned substances, release the name and fire away.

>

> Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

>

> Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

>

> You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

 

Wrong, you're not a pro golfer and your lofts have nothing to do with whether your irons are conforming or not. Pro golfers have no way to ensure a club is within spec, that's why they are sponsored, it's the manufacturers job to ensure their clubs conform with the RoG.

 

What could be questionable is that some golfers test out a bunch of the same driver and bag the one they hit the best. At that point, if one club is performing even slightly better than the rest the manufacturer offered them, they should request the club to be tested as it's an outlier from the rest. I am not sure this was the case of Xander but I've heard this has happened with other pros.

[I_HATE_SNOW]

What percentage of drivers, made and sold, are tested? I'd guess less than 1%, way less.

[Golfjack]

> @dwboston said:

> > @jll62 said:

> > > @Titletown said:

> > > > @SAM_PGA said:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It depends on how non-conforming it is. There was a study posted here a while ago discussing how different COR values affect distance. Basically with the margin of error in today's manufacturing even drivers that are over their COR value add very little distance. Furthermore, the tour vans test clubs for their players. I bet his was right on the edge when they initially tested it and barely failed the R&A test. There are also margin of errors in the measuring devices.

> > > >

> > > > Completely agree with this... Not one manufacturer is going to let a non-conforming driver into play on a world wide platform. Additionally (I can only speak of Titlest) has a routine schedule of testing every single driver they have on play to ensure they do not exceed the illegal line. If a Titleist driver is on the line, they know there is a very good chance that the next time it is tested it could be illegal... A back-up, if it doesn't already exist, will go into production.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I don't mean to be a smart-a$$ here because I don't know a **** thing about COR, but you say no manufacturer would let a non-conforming driver into play, but Callaway did. I don't blame Xander one bit, but someone has to be at fault. There had to be someone on the tour truck that knew this was non-conforming. Or am I missing something?

> >

> > I'm no fan of Callaway, but this is all much ado about nothing. When Xander put the head into play, I would bet a lot of money that it was conforming (but very close to the limit after accounting for tolerance). No company is going to intentionally put a non-conforming driver into use these days. His head almost certainly became non-conforming after use.

> >

> > I do agree with Xander that only testing a 30 club sample isn't equitable. Either test them all, or don't test any.

>

> There's a reason the number 30 is chosen. It's called the Central Limit Theorem in statistics. To boil it down, if the sample is sufficiently large, the distribution of results tends to be normally distributed, and sufficiently large has been found to be a sample of at least 30. Doing a sample of 30 will give you comparable results to testing the entire population, at less time and cost.

 

Thing is that is fine for statistical analysis, but not fine for actually doing things. Imagine at immigration you only test 30 out of a bunch of people instead of every single person. Doesn't make sense does it? They could clearly test and label the drivers before the tournament begins. It shouldn't be a problem to implement this if they are serious about fairness. Drug testing is different, although again the best test would be to test everybody before each tournament.

[grm24]

> @gvogel said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @hef63303 said:

> > > Just for accuracy's sake, it is a CT Test, not a COR Test.

> >

> > No surpirse Shackelford wouldn't know the difference between CT and COR.

>

> I think that he probably does, and they amount to just about the same thing. We commonly use COR even though we know it is CT now - because we were talking about COR for so long.

 

Possibly. However he has made more than a few posts in regards to equipment that have been incorrect where it makes me think he is simply out of his element when it comes to that subject. He should stick to course architecture and his enjoyment of Frank Hannigan and Dan Jenkins.

[new2g0lf]

> @Golfjack said:

> > @dwboston said:

> > > @jll62 said:

> > > > @Titletown said:

> > > > > @SAM_PGA said:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It depends on how non-conforming it is. There was a study posted here a while ago discussing how different COR values affect distance. Basically with the margin of error in today's manufacturing even drivers that are over their COR value add very little distance. Furthermore, the tour vans test clubs for their players. I bet his was right on the edge when they initially tested it and barely failed the R&A test. There are also margin of errors in the measuring devices.

> > > > >

> > > > > Completely agree with this... Not one manufacturer is going to let a non-conforming driver into play on a world wide platform. Additionally (I can only speak of Titlest) has a routine schedule of testing every single driver they have on play to ensure they do not exceed the illegal line. If a Titleist driver is on the line, they know there is a very good chance that the next time it is tested it could be illegal... A back-up, if it doesn't already exist, will go into production.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't mean to be a smart-a$$ here because I don't know a **** thing about COR, but you say no manufacturer would let a non-conforming driver into play, but Callaway did. I don't blame Xander one bit, but someone has to be at fault. There had to be someone on the tour truck that knew this was non-conforming. Or am I missing something?

> > >

> > > I'm no fan of Callaway, but this is all much ado about nothing. When Xander put the head into play, I would bet a lot of money that it was conforming (but very close to the limit after accounting for tolerance). No company is going to intentionally put a non-conforming driver into use these days. His head almost certainly became non-conforming after use.

> > >

> > > I do agree with Xander that only testing a 30 club sample isn't equitable. Either test them all, or don't test any.

> >

> > There's a reason the number 30 is chosen. It's called the Central Limit Theorem in statistics. To boil it down, if the sample is sufficiently large, the distribution of results tends to be normally distributed, and sufficiently large has been found to be a sample of at least 30. Doing a sample of 30 will give you comparable results to testing the entire population, at less time and cost.

>

> Thing is that is fine for statistical analysis, but not fine for actually doing things. Imagine at immigration you only test 30 out of a bunch of people instead of every single person. Doesn't make sense does it? They could clearly test and label the drivers before the tournament begins. It shouldn't be a problem to implement this if they are serious about fairness. Drug testing is different, although again the best test would be to test everybody before each tournament.

 

The other side of this is, the 30 are random so therefore each pro has no idea if their club will be tested but the sample size is large enough given the number of competitors that they wouldn't want to risk knowingly using an illegal driver. I wouldn't risk any significant penalty or negative press for a 1 in 5 chance of getting caught.

[buckeyefl]

> @MaxBuck said:

> > @"Hack Daddy" said:

> >

> > Yes, you should. Before every round, make sure your equipment is within spec.

> >

> > Why's this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? Your equipment, your responsibility.

> >

> > You know what I do every time I get a new set of irons? Get the lofts and lies checked. And guess what, they're always off. Not a legal issue, but you get what I'm saying...

>

> I've never heard of an amateur golfer having the COR on his or her driver checked. I doubt 1 in 100,000 golfers has done so.

 

You need to add a zero or two.

[HoffTTM]

Why did we know initially that Xanders driver failed but not the names of the others whose drivers did equally?

[OldTomMorris]

> @farmer said:

> Checking lofts and lies is a relatively simple procedure, which can be done at home. According to legend, Lanny Wadkins checked his after every practice session. Testing COR, not a diy project. Been mentioned, but probably .8333 or .84, not legal but not a real advantage.

 

Yes, whether it is pros at the elite level of the game or the general public purchasing retail there is almost no other option but to have the trust & faith in the manufacturer to supply conforming equipment.