The New Ventus Black

[be0972]

I currently have an EvenFlow Black 6.5 65g and a HC EvenFlow Black 6.5 65g tipped 1/2" (numbers similar on both). According to the indoor Trackman I have access to, I'm spinning it like crazy, on average 3,400rpm. My swing speed in this session averaged 110mph, ball speed averaged 160, smash 1.47, AoA +1.3, and carry ~260. I did switch drivers from a Rogue Sub-Zero to a TaylorMade M5 last year, but I've never seen numbers like this before (same shaft in both clubs). I just purchased a Ventus Black 6x to see if it's better. According to Fujikura, the only dealer in my area is Edwin Watts, they were unable to help, so I had to get one off eBay.

I'm not sure if this is me or the Trackman, it was indoors and there were no silver stickers on the balls.

I'd love to hear the opinions on how you think I may like the Ventus Black vs the EvenFlow Black.

[Valtiel]

Despite both having "Black" in their names, they are completely different shafts. The EF Black is actually pretty similar to the Graphite Design AD-DI and follows much the same path as many mid-soft, mid launch/spin shafts, albeit with a little more linear tip stiffness. The Ventus Black is much stiffer in the mid and a little softer in the handle, overall likely a much lower spinning shaft.

That said, a shaft is not going to change 3,400rpm spin very much and your spin problem is likely strike oriented unless the Trackman is not reading things correctly. It would be wise to confirm exactly where you are striking the ball before chasing low spin with shaft changes.

[nfreda2211]

I was struggling with spin around 3,000. I got fit last year and tried the ef black and it spun the same or more then my hzrdus yellow. I was able to get my spin under 2,500 with the pro orange. Fast forward to this year's fitting and the ventus black spun about 100 rpm more then the orange but I think it felt better.

 

Also, my gym has a trackman and a gc quad and i find the trackman spin to be way off if the balls arent marked.

[kmbean]

Hit mine for the first time tonight in a Mavrik head. Extremely legit combo.

[pitchmaster1224]

Currently have a Diamana ahina 70x. Thinking about trying the Ventus 6x. Any comparisons between the two?

Thanks

[pitchmaster1224]

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[Myherobobhope]

i think the black loads better... not an amazing amount better but better.

i was pretty impressed by the shaft, just not the price. It might replace the aldila silver 130 as my favorite shaft, but haven’t done enough testing to know for sure.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Messed around with my 6x untipped tonight from my SIM build in the old M5 demo head haha. Must say, impressed....

[awtryau89]

You know the worst part about the Ventus Black @Fujikura Golf? I can't enter any of these other shaft testing contests GolfWRX offers. There is just no need.

[bdmiller61]

Straight from the Mizuno rep’s mouth: “absolutely the real deal, comes straight from Fuji, we don’t even stock the Ventus”

[SMUGamer]

But it doesn't have the "Velocore" marking? If true, its gonna be hard to sell that shaft because most on this board think its fake if doesnt have that marking.

[alecfeltman]

Pulled the trigger on a Tensei Pro White TX until I can find a Ventus Black

[bdmiller61]

I’m not sure how anyone knows that yet. I don’t think they’re shipping them yet. Mine is on order. I’ll post an update when mine comes in

[HappyGilmore22]

Has anyone that generally plays a heavier upper 70g weighing x-flex shaft move into a Ventus Black in a 6X? I'm considering going a bit lighter with my driver shaft this year with the Ventus Black but the 65 g shaft seems like it might be too light. The 7X is 78 grams and might be a bit heavier than what I currently have (76 or 77 g I think). The torque is 3.1 in 6X and I'm used to using shafts around 2.8 so wondering what affect that would have being higher as well. What affect would tipping it have on the 6X?

[Brooks_Cupcake]

zero chance you could ever tell 3.1 to 2.8.

[COmedic]

Have a hard time believing this because they charge to upgrade to a real VeloCore shaft. Also they show different specs when you go to build a club.

[Fujikura Golf]

remember every shaft manufacturer measures torque differently so buying a shaft by comparing that is not advised. We always recommend for the best outcome to go get fit, and not to compare numbers online.

[Fujikura Golf]

The shaft that TaylorMade is charging an upgrade cost for is the exact one we sell in the aftermarket and we ship it to them straight from our Carlsbad facility like we do with all of our charter dealers and other OEMs requesting custom upgrade shafts.

[HappyGilmore22]

I was comparing to a Fujikura Evolution Speeder 757 Tour Spec X flex. I would have an easier time comparing new Fuji shafts to my current gamer if the new website update didn't get rid of my shaft specs. They used to be on there only a few months ago but only the newer Fuji shafts are there now. The Evo I is gone so trying to compare that to Ventus Black and Blue.

[bdmiller61]

That doesn’t surprise me coming from Taylor Made. Mizuno has never offered watered down shafts and at $350 upcharge, I highly doubt the Ventus wouldn’t be the real deal

[AussieGuy]

Does anyone have any info what the ‘ventus’ shaft that Taylormade are selling in their fairways and rescues is? I know it doesn’t have the velocore but it is still really performing for me.

[youngunz5840]

Just got a cobra speedzone with ventus black. I need to get the swingweight dialed in as it came in heavy but at the range I was finding the center of the face really easy with the ventus

[mrlongball]

@Fujikura Golf is this the same with the Mizuno offering, despite the lack of 'VELOCORE' wording on the shaft?

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Mizuno doesn’t have the same buying power for driver shafts as TM, so 100% it’s the same shaft as the stock version in TM, despite the false information shared by the rep.

[Warrick]

No one is giving away the real deal for free, so if you are paying an up charge of $250 or more, pretty simple to know what you are getting

[Valtiel]

I think there is some confusion here. Are you saying then that Mizuno is charging $250 for the cheaper version that TM is offering stock? That doesn't really make sense.

[JakeW13]

Why not phrase this in a more definitive way so it's less confusing? The TaylorMade SIM Max stock option Ventus does NOT include the Velocore technology, while the upcharge version (+$250) does. I hate when people phrase things to only have a positive connotation. Listen, we get it, Ventus has been a huge success and TaylorMade and Fuji came together to make a cheaper offering of the shaft for the average player who won't know the difference. But just be straightforward and CLEAR about it.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Come on man, read it again.....The Mizuno rep told another member that the Ventus they’re offering at no charge is the Velocore version even though the graphics don’t have Velocore on it.

[Valtiel]

I think you misread, the original quote was:
"I noticed that the Ventus shafts that are being offered at an up charge by Mizuno don’t have the VeloCore marking on them."
What is offered stock was not mentioned, the concern was around what the upcharge shaft was, which is what the Mizuno rep spoke to according to the follow up post by @bdmiller61

[Wardonation]

@fujjigolf, do you know how much TM tips standard?