Matthew Fitzpatrick whines about BDC...

[manku]

https://sports.yahoo.com/bryson-dechambeau-refutes-claim-making-005431056.html

 

Sounds like Phil Helmuth losing a pot to someone who didn't play "by the book"...

 

Not a good look...

 

 

 

 

[nikeblades00]

haha lol yah he sounds like a pure idiot.  If done with-in the rules a player can do whatever they want, they can even use the putter off the tee if they so choose.

 

Did Matty complain about Jordan Spieth when he was holing every putt for 2 years- "its a mockery to make so many putts and gain strokes on the field".  Stfu matty, you lost a fan.

[bladehunter]

15 minutes ago, manku said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/bryson-dechambeau-refutes-claim-making-005431056.html

 

Sounds like Phil Helmuth losing a pot to someone who didn't play "by the book"...

 

Not a good look...

 

 

 

 

I don’t know.  It’s like this.  I find myself watching Bryson.   Like people watch a train wreck on YouTube where they know nobody died , or these epic fails videos kids   Watch.  I’m not watching him as amazement more than just a gawker at the spectacle.  
 

In my opinion Fitzpatrick can be both correct and a bad look on this at the same time.  The truth isn’t always pretty.   
 

there are many guys who could and will add length using this method of “ damn it all “ swing like you don’t need your back in 5 years .     But what will it do to the game whne theres 20 in the field who can do it.   ? 
 

Bryson isn’t a particularly gifted athlete.  I gaurantee you his vertical jump and 40 times are uninspiring.  Id bet he isn’t a first pick at even pickup basketball.  That sort of thing.    Sure. He’s currently beating this game.  But the idea that he’s somehow doing something nobody else will do , is crazy.  He’s not tiger.  And people copied that example. They’ll surely copy this one.   So I think it’s great to question what it will do to the game going forward.  

[cxx]

Sounds like sour grapes from someone who the game is passing by.

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, cxx said:

Sounds like sour grapes from someone who the game is passing by.

That’s his point though.  Is it “ the game passing by “?  Or is it “ the games “ last death squawk before it morphs into a new game ?      I’m not arguing it. I just think folks are reading it with blinders on.   At some point “ the game “ ceases to be if it continues towards a long drive affair.  Right ? 

[munichop]

Like many kids I played a wide array of sports when I was young. I was fortunate to play against guys in basketball who ended up in the NBA. I played tennis against a kid who got to Wimbledon. After college in golf, I played against the best Amateur in my State. Golf was the only game I had a chance. So I understand a little the notion of a level playing field.  The pga men are playing a course the same length as the women this week after the 5 percent altitude adjustment.  All sports try to identify the best. Players adapt to rule changes.  Golf is a different game when so many designed hazards are no longer in play. Don’t believe me? Move up 700 yards on your home track. Distance is not out of control, just out of control when the pros play a course designed for 260 yard carries, which they play almost every week. They move bunkers but the contours of the landing areas make a huge difference. Matt is right but the failures were 30 years ago.

[ChrisSP]

Embarrassing comments by Fitzpatrick. Power has always been an advantage in golf. It was an advantage for Jack, it was an advantage for Tiger, and it's been an advantage for many others, including Rory and DJ to name a few.

 

But power alone will never make someone one of the best players in the world. Look at a guy like Jamie Sadlowski. He's trying to play for a living these days. How that's working out? All of the guys I named had immense skills, and so does Bryson. To assert otherwise is laughable.

 

Personally, I play regularly with some guys who hammer it by me. So what, according to Fitzpatrick, I'm just supposed to quit?  Screw that. I find other ways to compete and beat those guys, and I love playing against them.

 

Maybe Fitzpatrick should put down the Kleenex box and find his own way to be a better player.

Edited October 10, 2020 by ChrisSP

[thed0n]

Matt is not right; Matt is just a hater.  Pure disrespect on little Mattie's part.  It's not a mockery of the game; it may be an evolution of it or it may just be that only one person can do it.  But either way, it's far from a mockery.    

 

No body has been able to do what BDC did.  BDC was able to take a tour player package and add long drive distance to his arsenal without sacrificing the short game.  We've all seen long drivers try to make it on the tour, like Jamie, and none of them has ever come even close to BDC.  We've also seen tour guys chase a few yards, and that's never worked out well either.  And it may ultimately cost BDC in injuries but BDC put in the work, and he's reaping the reward.  He's gone down in history as a major championship winner.  Little Mattie needs to step up his game.

Edited October 10, 2020 by thed0n

[Soloman1]

"All sports try to identify the best."

 

I respectfully disagree. All professional sports are about money, pure and simple.

The athletes are just the product used to create the wealth of TV ad revenue, league or tour income, sponsor marketing, equipment sales, clothing sales, brand development, gambling revenue, appearance revenue, online and paper magazine/video revenue et al.

 

[bladehunter]

12 minutes ago, munichop said:

Like many kids I played a wide array of sports when I was young. I was fortunate to play against guys in basketball who ended up in the NBA. I played tennis against a kid who got to Wimbledon. After college in golf, I played against the best Amateur in my State. Golf was the only game I had a chance. So I understand a little the notion of a level playing field.  The pga men are playing a course the same length as the women this week after the 5 percent altitude adjustment.  All sports try to identify the best. Players adapt to rule changes.  Golf is a different game when so many designed hazards are no longer in play. Don’t believe me? Move up 700 yards on your home track. Distance is not out of control, just out of control when the pros play a course designed for 260 yard carries, which they play almost every week. They move bunkers but the contours of the landing areas make a huge difference. Matt is right but the failures were 30 years ago.

Yes. Agree 1000 %.  The failures were absolutely 30 years ago.   It’s not Brysons fault.  He’s simply showing the holes in the game.  
 

but.  The worry is now that like anchored putters haD kids In these instruction camps  learning the game with a belly putter , now these holes being shown will have kids playing Bryson golf from the start.  .   And 99% of courses at the local level will not hold a kid flying it 300 with a 3 wood.  And 320 with a driver.  Lol.  .   The old adage of “ fairways and greens “ plus a driver and ball that wouldn’t allow this to this degree , throttled it just enough to make sense.  That governor is lifted.  Period.  The question is what will it do going forwRd ?  
 

The horse is out of the barn.  But I don’t think that means there aren’t any options for corralling it. You don’t have to put it back in the barn to keep it from eating the neighbors alfalfa.  Just getting it back onto the property might be enough.  

[dab]

Length by taking advantage of the current tech and rules is smart but only half the game- you still have to fight the mental battle to achieve the lowest score.

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, dab said:

Length by taking advantage of the current tech and rules is smart but only half the game- you still have to fight the mental battle to achieve the lowest score.

Yes.  Absolutely..... but it minimizes the mental game.  It’s hard to argue that a pitching wedge over water into a par 5 ( as Bryson had yesterday ) isn’t less of a mental battle than say a 5 iron from 200 over that same pond.   Or maybe even a 2 iron from 230 over that pond.    That’s exactly the other pros arguments against it.  That it makes “the game “ ( which usually refers to the mental strategic game ) too easy. 

Edited October 10, 2020 by bladehunter

[nikeblades00]

Also lets all take a second to realize even before the 384 yard drives, Bryson was a phenom. He was a top ranked junior, a NCAA champion, and hes won multiple times on the PGA tour. This guy is alot more than just a bomber. The kid is a player. 

[bscinstnct]

I have the solution! The PGA Tour could have a separate 

 

 

 

Welterweight Division!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[drbonesvt]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

I don’t know.  It’s like this.  I find myself watching Bryson.   Like people watch a train wreck on YouTube where they know nobody died , or these epic fails videos kids   Watch.  I’m not watching him as amazement more than just a gawker at the spectacle.  
 

In my opinion Fitzpatrick can be both correct and a bad look on this at the same time.  The truth isn’t always pretty.   
 

there are many guys who could and will add length using this method of “ damn it all “ swing like you don’t need your back in 5 years .     But what will it do to the game whne theres 20 in the field who can do it.   ? 
 

Bryson isn’t a particularly gifted athlete.  I gaurantee you his vertical jump and 40 times are uninspiring.  Id bet he isn’t a first pick at even pickup basketball.  That sort of thing.    Sure. He’s currently beating this game.  But the idea that he’s somehow doing something nobody else will do , is crazy.  He’s not tiger.  And people copied that example. They’ll surely copy this one.   So I think it’s great to question what it will do to the game going forward.  

Barry Bonds Pittsburgh, 30 or so Hr at 180 lbs great fielder 

 

Barry bonds SF Giants - 70+ hr at 240 lbs 

 

size punishes speed kills , BAD generating more speed with size , playing the “electoral college statistics tee to green”  
 

Rory , DJ , Tony F , more orthodox right there with BAD.   
 

Arnold Palmer - swing your swing , that is biometrically approximate for your body type 

 

Mathew F , I have some free gym passes for your b______h a** , lead follow or Get TF out the way . 

[Soloman1]

47 minutes ago, thed0n said:

 No body has been able to do what BDC did.  BDC was able to take a tour player package and add long drive distance to his arsenal without sacrificing the short game.  [sic]

 

 

There’s a nobody who used to hit 300+ yard drives 40 years ago with persimmon and balata when he wanted to on his way to 18 major titles, 19 second place and 9 third place finishes.

 

 

[cardoustie]

Basketball isn’t ruled by short guys at 5’10” anymore is it?   Could the kids on Hoosiers beat the Lakers?

[bladehunter]

10 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

There’s a nobody who used to hit 300+ yard drives 40 years ago with persimmon and balata when he wanted to on his way to 18 major titles, 19 second place and 9 third place finishes.

 

 

Lol.  Jack is always used as an excuse though.  But did he hit 378 yard par 4s at will ?        I’m all for long guys ruling the roost.  What I’m concerned with is scale.  

[cardoustie]

What percentage of sports records have fallen / dropped each decade in the last 100 years?  Swimming, track and field, rowing, the mile, the marathon, etc etc 

 

Physical evolution with tech gains to help

[bladehunter]

2 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

Basketball isn’t ruled by short guys at 5’10” anymore is it?   Could the kids on Hoosiers beat the Lakers?

Lol. Maybe if the 3 point line and shot clock were removed.   4 corners killed many tall teams which is why the clock came to be.  To force shots.      

[8milespast]

Fitzpatrick says “the skill is to hit it straight.” Well, straight’s all relative, isn’t it? I don’t see Fitzpatrick hitting 85% of fairways or whatever...if Bryson’s only 10% less “straight” than him at ball speeds up to 30 mph higher, what does he really have to cry about?

 

It’s not like this dude’s out here making eagles from 3 fairways away...in order to shoot low scores, you still can’t be taking drops or playing from behind trees or hitting 120-yard hooks around cacti or whatever - a drive that misses a fairway by 10 yards but flies 340 in the air would seem to require a high degree of skill 

Edited October 10, 2020 by 8milespast

[tgoodspe1991]

I don't know why everyone complains about BDC's distance gains when others like Cameron Champ were already hitting it that far... In the pairing, there were several times where Champ and Wolff were out-driving BDC. So why is there a big uproar about BDC doing it?!

 

And, c'mon, no skill involved in hitting the ball far?! I dispute that it's a "fact" Mr. Toothpick Fitzpatrick could easily put on 40lb and carry the ball 350y straight. If it's so "easy" then do it.

 

Bryson is working his a** off to get the results he's getting and I love it.

[caniac6]

I remember when we got rid of tweeds and neckties. Anyone could play well when they are comfortable! Fitzpatrick would look ridiculous if he put 40 lbs. on that skinny frame. If anyone could do it, he’s free to try. Shoot, he couldn’t hit within 20 yards of Bryson before Bryson put on all the weight.

[Nard_S]

There was a time John Daley destroyed St Andrews with Ti & 2-piece. There was a time where Tiger owned the PGA with power and the best ball control from tee to cup ever witnessed. There was a time when a choice could be made on what the future of golf ought to be. Daley's formula won. Bryson is a nerdy Daley. Frankly, I don't think it lasts. The pile of injuries being tempted here are too many too list. Top tier golf has always been about spin control. Tech has diluted that aspect and deluded people thinking that power is what makes them special. The fix is rather simple but it won't happen till folks stop watching or caring.

[cardoustie]

Straight and long to be admired ... DJ, Rory, Champ, Wolff, and Finau are there now ... and 10 - 20 others will follow suit

 

talking about long drive guys is apples to oranges.   BDC is an established tour player that evolved to near LD length while hitting it on the planet ...

Edited October 10, 2020 by cardoustie

[straightshot7]

Bryson was 5th in the OWGR in 2018, prior to these changes. Some people are talking as if he walked in off of the long drive tour. He was and is a highly skilled player. You have to be incredibly skilled to reach 5 in the world at golf, which is largely a game of skill.

 

Hitting it long (and straight) IS a skill. Fitzpatrick is wrong there. Jack did it. Daly did it. Tiger did it. Rory does it. DJ does it. etc.

 

If there's any skill that has contributed to winning the most over the past 50 years it's probably long (relatively straight) driving. But of course you have to combine it with good great iron play, short game, and putting. Which Bryson is doing. There is no weakness in his game. 

 

As Jordan Spieth said on the subpar podcast, Bryson is rolling the heck out of the rock. 

Honestly I bet if you take away Bryson's driver he'd still be better than Fitzpatrick. 

Edited October 10, 2020 by straightshot7

[cxx]

2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

That’s his point though.  Is it “ the game passing by “?  Or is it “ the games “ last death squawk before it morphs into a new game ?      I’m not arguing it. I just think folks are reading it with blinders on.   At some point “ the game “ ceases to be if it continues towards a long drive affair.  Right ? 

The game has been evolving rapidly for a long time. It just seems like it's faster now.  The biggest change so far has been the ball. That changed everything almost overnight. Most players had to re-learn how to play the game with the new ballflight. Bryson is just the latest to push the limits.  More power to him.

 

The more interesting aspect of his game is the idea of developing his swing at the limits of his joint movement.  I can understand wanting to limit the variability in his swing, but that sounds like it could stress those joints.

Edited October 10, 2020 by cxx

[bladehunter]

24 minutes ago, cxx said:

The game has been evolving rapidly for a long time. It just seems like it's faster now.  The biggest change so far has been the ball. That changed everything almost overnight. Most players had to re-learn how to play the game with the new ballflight. Bryson is just the latest to push the limits.  More power to him.

 

The more interesting aspect of his game is the idea of developing his swing at the limits of his joint movement.  I can understand wanting to limit the variability in his swing, but that sounds like it could stress those joints.

No doubt it’s going to get interesting.  If he goes to Augusta with a 48 inch driver and breaks records , something is getting rolled back.   Question then is will he sue and blow up the game publicly?  I feel like a show is coming.  And I’m not a Bryson hater.  In fact I’ve preached a ton of his methods longer than he’s been around.   Upright swing , upright putting , and long wedges have always been in this tall guys  bag.  Anyway.  I guess we will sit and watch what happens. 

[Sean2]

1 hour ago, nikeblades00 said:

Also lets all take a second to realize even before the 384 yard drives, Bryson was a phenom. He was a top ranked junior, a NCAA champion, and hes won multiple times on the PGA tour. This guy is alot more than just a bomber. The kid is a player. 

Not everyone can hit it long, and not everyone who hits it long could play golf at the professional level. What makes BD unique, thus far, is that he can control that length. Props to him for being able to do so, and putting in the work to get to that point. 

[mahonie]

16 minutes ago, Sean2 said:

Not everyone can hit it long, and not everyone who hits it long could play golf at the professional level. What makes BD unique, thus far, is that he can control that length. Props to him for being able to do so, and putting in the work to get to that point. 

You have to give BCD a lot of credit for figuring out how to maximise performance with the tools and courses presented to him. I think I saw he was averaging 352 yards yesterday...amazing. I saw a tee shot with an iron that carried 271 yards!!!

 

The question is, would he have had the same approach with clubs with steel shafts and heads the size of the old persimmon drivers and balls with the spin profile of the old balata balls? The characteristics of modern equipment allow that swing for the fences approach that was never possible before. In essence, the core principles embedded in the rules of the game to test all aspects of play have been shattered, and for this I can understand Fitzpatrick’s stance...it is making a mockery of the game.

 

The USGA/R&A let the genie out of the bottle when they failed to put in place appropriate equipment limits which most sports have had to do to keep them relevant. There will be some restrictions put in place in order to get golf back to its very essence...I think BCD may just be accelerating the programme. Augusta will be very interesting.