Try to tell me it’s not ego

[pinestreetgolf]

7 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

My goodness this post is a mess. That said since theres no traditional names/lofts.... i carry my lob wedge 305. Strange though because its the first lob wedge i have owned that was 460ccs. I need some help naming my other 12 wedges though.

 

The next one up should be a SLLSW for Super Low Launch Sand Wedge.  Gives you a nice gap between your lob wedge and your SLLSW, which is more of a fairway finder.

 

Wait, actually, we can't do this with drivers and wedges.  Only irons are misrepresented by OEMs.

[Drivingrangehero]

I’m going to put this out there, if the launch and spin numbers are right, you can control flight and shape, who cares what the number on the bottom of the club says  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Manufacturers are trying to sell product, it’s up to the consumer to find what product best suits them. 
 

I doubt you will have many sub 5 caps playing super jacked lofts, unless it’s a 4 iron for gapping purposes. Like wise not many 15+ cappers will play traditional lofted irons. If the jacked lofts suit you play them, if not don’t. 
 

The guys in between may play a blended set with two 7 irons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Blended set of Mizuno’s 

 

PW 50* MP-14              PW 

9 46* MP-20                 PW

8  41* TP-9                   8 iron

7 38* MP-20                 8 iron

6 34* JPX 921 HMP     8 iron

5 29*  MP-14.               5 iron

4 25*  MP 20 HMB       5 iron 

3 22* JPX 921 HMP      5 iron 

optional 2 irons 

2 19* MP67.                   2 iron 

2 19* JPX 921 HMP.      4 iron

2 20* MP-14                  2 iron 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by Drivingrangehero
Added info

[Tree Levino]

49 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

"Offended" is strong (its over the internet) but I think you are way off base.  Every OEM in every industry is trying to play on ego and emotions.  We don't need a handful of your six iron swings to know that.  And they do it all over the bag, from wedge grinds to iron lofts to four woods that are actually three woods (where more loft gives more distance, instead of less).  Different strokes for different folks.  I think there is huge value in hitting a club with a shorter shaft longer if you have the speed to actually make it stop (which I do).  So I love my Mavrik's.  Are they "longer"?  No idea.  But I don't carry a 16.5* club with a 3 on it, or a wedge with a D on it (the D grind is a M grind for players who chop wood around the green - some love it, but its not marketed for what it is - an M grind for guys who are WAY too steep - its marketed as Aaron Dill's Tour Sauce, which is nonsense).  This is how OEM's do it from kid's toys to golf clubs (all of them, not just irons) to clothes to everything.

 

Yet we have to read humble-brag posts from people here who hate iron lofts for some reason, like a cartoon villian hates its super-hero.  Give it a rest.  OEMs are always after our egos with every single club, not just irons.

 

Really long distance placed prominently in the post when not required? Check.

Tell people distance doesn't matter in the same thread you use actual distance numbers? Check.

No information at all beyond that you swung them? Check.

Sweeping, offensive conclusion about all golfers based on you swinging a few times in your home net? Check.

No qualification what-so-ever that since the data set contains only you the conclusion might apply too only you? Check

Click-bait thread title for people who love to get upset about this? Check.

 

You have hit the rare Golf WRX Forum Logic Fallacy / Holier-Than-Thou Six-Fecta! 

 

*Hardest eye roll humanly possible*.

 

What on earth are you talking about? The D grind has 12 bounce. Tiger's 56 has 12 bounce. Does he chop wood around the green? Is he not shallow enough for you? He must be garbage since he doesn't use a low bounce wedge eh?  This is the most hypocritical thing ever. You're saying that I'm being a d!ck and judging players for using stronger lofts - which, if you actually read what I'm writing is not the case - and then saying that you use strong lofted irons and that's all good but players that use a wedge with a D on it are trash.  Check your logic before you write because that is a massive load you've dropped on this thread right there 💩. 

 

FWIW I think that some good players actually fit really well into strong lofted irons. Lots of tour players have theirs bent a bit strong to combat spin as they trap it a bit. I play with some big guys that really lean on it and P790s really help their game compared to something like an AP2 etc (or anything that spins more than usual). 

 

The whole reason I put my carries at the top was not for bragging reasons, again, most of the time I actually take some off my iron shots and you wouldn't think I was a long hitter. I much prefer to hit a low cut 9 at a 145-150 pin a lot of the time over a PW. I don't know why, I just prefer it. The point of the numbers was that loft for loft in a club that you don't really need a bunch of launch on, ball speed will be the same despite one being a one piece forged blade and the other having all of this "tech advancement".  Simple as that.

 

You also talk about hitting it further with a shorter shaft, but in a lot of cases (e.g. Epic Forged) you'll see an "8 iron" with a loft more comparable to stronger 7 irons (in that case 31.5 degrees) and a 37" shaft (modern traditional 7 iron length). Your set looks like the "8 iron" is about a half inch short of "standard" though it depends on how the OEM measures. It could very well be without the grip so it might end up at an actual length just shy of 37". Either way, your "7 iron" is 27 degrees. If you want to call that a 7 iron that's all you man. I can see why you're sensitive to this argument though. Your 7 iron is 4 degrees stronger than the 6 iron mentioned in my original post. I was not saying you particularly have an ego issue. If you're a 3 cap you're a very competent golfer. The problem is, I have no desire for set clubs past a PW (and even that is something I've considered going to a specialty wedge for). In your set of irons, you have 6 clubs covering the 24*-46* loft range rather than 7. You move into 5* gaps in scoring clubs instead of 4*. I'm good at manipulating distances, but I have no desire to lose a club so I can hit my "7" further. In that set the 7 would be a 215 carry club for me. Going down from that I have like 80 yards I need to cover with 4 clubs...

 

 

[Red4282]

50 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

The next one up should be a SLLSW for Super Low Launch Sand Wedge.  Gives you a nice gap between your lob wedge and your SLLSW, which is more of a fairway finder.

 

Wait, actually, we can't do this with drivers and wedges.  Only irons are misrepresented by OEMs.

 

4 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

What on earth are you talking about? The D grind has 12 bounce. Tiger's 56 has 12 bounce. Does he chop wood around the green? Is he not shallow enough for you? He must be garbage since he doesn't use a low bounce wedge eh?  This is the most hypocritical thing ever. You're saying that I'm being a d!ck and judging players for using stronger lofts - which, if you actually read what I'm writing is not the case - and then saying that you use strong lofted irons and that's all good but players that use a wedge with a D on it are trash.  Check your logic before you write because that is a massive load you've dropped on this thread right there 💩. 

 

FWIW I think that some good players actually fit really well into strong lofted irons. Lots of tour players have theirs bent a bit strong to combat spin as they trap it a bit. I play with some big guys that really lean on it and P790s really help their game compared to something like an AP2 etc (or anything that spins more than usual). 

 

The whole reason I put my carries at the top was not for bragging reasons, again, most of the time I actually take some off my iron shots and you wouldn't think I was a long hitter. I much prefer to hit a low cut 9 at a 145-150 pin a lot of the time over a PW. I don't know why, I just prefer it. The point of the numbers was that loft for loft in a club that you don't really need a bunch of launch on, ball speed will be the same despite one being a one piece forged blade and the other having all of this "tech advancement".  Simple as that.

 

You also talk about hitting it further with a shorter shaft, but in a lot of cases (e.g. Epic Forged) you'll see an "8 iron" with a loft more comparable to stronger 7 irons (in that case 31.5 degrees) and a 37" shaft (modern traditional 7 iron length). Your set looks like the "8 iron" is about a half inch short of "standard" though it depends on how the OEM measures. It could very well be without the grip so it might end up at an actual length just shy of 37". Either way, your "7 iron" is 27 degrees. If you want to call that a 7 iron that's all you man. I can see why you're sensitive to this argument though. Your 7 iron is 4 degrees stronger than the 6 iron mentioned in my original post. I was not saying you particularly have an ego issue. If you're a 3 cap you're a very competent golfer. The problem is, I have no desire for set clubs past a PW (and even that is something I've considered going to a specialty wedge for). In your set of irons, you have 6 clubs covering the 24*-46* loft range rather than 7. You move into 5* gaps in scoring clubs instead of 4*. I'm good at manipulating distances, but I have no desire to lose a club so I can hit my "7" further. In that set the 7 would be a 215 carry club for me. Going down from that I have like 80 yards I need to cover with 4 clubs...

 

 

Also goes in saying bounce isn’t necessarily about steepness but rather shaft lean at impact. The ideal bounce is zero at impact, unless you are in sand and want to purposely fat one. 

[pinestreetgolf]

39 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

What on earth are you talking about? The D grind has 12 bounce. Tiger's 56 has 12 bounce. Does he chop wood around the green? Is he not shallow enough for you? He must be garbage since he doesn't use a low bounce wedge eh?  This is the most hypocritical thing ever. You're saying that I'm being a d!ck and judging players for using stronger lofts - which, if you actually read what I'm writing is not the case - and then saying that you use strong lofted irons and that's all good but players that use a wedge with a D on it are trash.  Check your logic before you write because that is a massive load you've dropped on this thread right there 💩. 

 

FWIW I think that some good players actually fit really well into strong lofted irons. Lots of tour players have theirs bent a bit strong to combat spin as they trap it a bit. I play with some big guys that really lean on it and P790s really help their game compared to something like an AP2 etc (or anything that spins more than usual). 

 

The whole reason I put my carries at the top was not for bragging reasons, again, most of the time I actually take some off my iron shots and you wouldn't think I was a long hitter. I much prefer to hit a low cut 9 at a 145-150 pin a lot of the time over a PW. I don't know why, I just prefer it. The point of the numbers was that loft for loft in a club that you don't really need a bunch of launch on, ball speed will be the same despite one being a one piece forged blade and the other having all of this "tech advancement".  Simple as that.

 

You also talk about hitting it further with a shorter shaft, but in a lot of cases (e.g. Epic Forged) you'll see an "8 iron" with a loft more comparable to stronger 7 irons (in that case 31.5 degrees) and a 37" shaft (modern traditional 7 iron length). Your set looks like the "8 iron" is about a half inch short of "standard" though it depends on how the OEM measures. It could very well be without the grip so it might end up at an actual length just shy of 37". Either way, your "7 iron" is 27 degrees. If you want to call that a 7 iron that's all you man. I can see why you're sensitive to this argument though. Your 7 iron is 4 degrees stronger than the 6 iron mentioned in my original post. I was not saying you particularly have an ego issue. If you're a 3 cap you're a very competent golfer. The problem is, I have no desire for set clubs past a PW (and even that is something I've considered going to a specialty wedge for). In your set of irons, you have 6 clubs covering the 24*-46* loft range rather than 7. You move into 5* gaps in scoring clubs instead of 4*. I'm good at manipulating distances, but I have no desire to lose a club so I can hit my "7" further. In that set the 7 would be a 215 carry club for me. Going down from that I have like 80 yards I need to cover with 4 clubs...

 

 

 

I'm going to not engage you on the D grind issue after that answer.  If you think I was actually saying that people who hit high bounce wedges suck then my comment was over your head.  The point is that the D grind is an "easier" grind than the M, but its not advertised that way.  This advertising is pervasive in the industry.  Its not just irons.

 

So, let's boil it down to your answer to this question -

 

1. My Mav standard 7 iron, as it is.

2. Some other guy's 5 iron with the same  loft, ordered an inch short and a degree flat.

 

What's the difference?  Do you have the same issue with somebody ordering a set, say, -1.5" (or whatever is needed to equalize) but with traditional lofts?  Its exactly the same thing.  Are you actually against people choosing custom lengths?

 

Because if you allow custom lengths, the lofts become whatever you want them to be.  I can get a 37" 20* club.  Is that not OK?  Or are you that hung up on the actual number?

 

"Hey guys, I compared a short 4 iron (24*) from 1995 against a 6 iron from today (24*) and here's what I found out... they're the same!  Don't order long-shafted clubs you ego-maniacs!!" Your post ignores the fact that what actually matters (because its a physical part of the club) is shaft length, not the number written on the bottom. 

 

Ratio of loft to shaft length identifies an iron, not what someone stamps on it.

Edited January 30, 2021 by pinestreetgolf

[Tree Levino]

5 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

I'm going to not engage you on the D grind issue after that answer.  If you think I was actually saying that people who hit high bounce wedges suck then my comment was over your head.  The point is that the D grind is an "easier" grind than the M, but its not advertised that way.  This advertising is pervasive in the industry.  Its not just irons.

 

So, let's boil it down to your answer to this question -

 

1. My Mav standard 7 iron, as it is.

2. Some other guy's 5 iron with the same  loft, ordered an inch short and a degree flat.

 

What's the difference?  Do you have the same issue with somebody ordering a set, say, -1.5" (or whatever is needed to equalize) but with traditional lofts?  Its exactly the same thing.  Are you actually against people choosing custom lengths?

 

Because if you allow custom lengths, the lofts become whatever you want them to be.  I can get a 37" 20* club.  Is that not OK?  Or are you that hung up on the actual number?

 

In your example, I'm still going to have more clubs in set B which was more my argument... If shorter is your spec shorter is your spec? The point of me mentioning length was because you had and in the case of the Epic Forged, that 8 iron literally is a "7 iron" from most companies just with a slightly stronger loft given it is 37", 31.5 degrees, and 61.5 lie. It truly is just a differently labelled 7. If you don't think that is about tricking golfers into thinking X club in this set goes further than X club in your set I don't know what to tell you. 

 

The point is, with loft creep, you are now using 6 clubs in the 24-46 degree range instead of 7. If that's good for your scoring more power to you. If you think that putting a D on the bottom of the wedge (which, by the way, clearly labels the bounce on it unlike iron lofts) is the same as strengthening the loft by a club or two but printing the same number on it, I think we are about done trying to find common ground because your logic is just not sound to me. 

[pinestreetgolf]

21 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

In your example, I'm still going to have more clubs in set B which was more my argument... If shorter is your spec shorter is your spec? The point of me mentioning length was because you had and in the case of the Epic Forged, that 8 iron literally is a "7 iron" from most companies just with a slightly stronger loft given it is 37", 31.5 degrees, and 61.5 lie. It truly is just a differently labelled 7. If you don't think that is about tricking golfers into thinking X club in this set goes further than X club in your set I don't know what to tell you. 

 

The point is, with loft creep, you are now using 6 clubs in the 24-46 degree range instead of 7. If that's good for your scoring more power to you. If you think that putting a D on the bottom of the wedge (which, by the way, clearly labels the bounce on it unlike iron lofts) is the same as strengthening the loft by a club or two but printing the same number on it, I think we are about done trying to find common ground because your logic is just not sound to me. 

 

1. Nobody but Edel labels bounce in a non-deceptive way, which is why they are so high with their numbers.  Everyone else uses dynamic bounce, which is much lower than static bounce.  So an Edel and a JAWS will be the same, and the Edel will label it at 22* bounce (for the driver grind, as an example) while Callaway labels the exact same wedge at 10* bounce.  So, no, they don't "clearly label bounce" as you say, which is my point.  Everyone here is fixated on "ego" and iron lofts when this is the way golf clubs are sold in every single respect not just loft.

 

2. I mentioned length because its significantly more important to the club's performance than the stencil used to mark it after its made. 

 

You didn't actually answer my question and addressed the D grind issue as a way to exit the conversation despite me backing off it in my last post, so I'm not hopeful you will actually address my last post, but just to try one more time:

 

1. Person A gets a Mavrik 7 iron.  Hits it 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "7" stenciled on it.

2. Person B gets a traditional set of irons, but orders them -1" and 1* flat.  He hits his 5 iron 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "5" stenciled on it.

 

Is Person B just as ego driven as person A?  The same?  Less?  Is there a difference there and if so, what is it?  The second person is using shorter traditional irons but.... are they traditional irons?  Or are they Mavriks? Or can you not cut down traditional irons because you become a strong-loft player?  Or, so, where is the line here?

 

OK, OK, OK, Edit I think I've got it now.

 

I should buy a weather-proof sharpie and clear-coat.  Order a set of Mavriks -2* flat.  Then, i'll have them cut -1.5" and regripped.  Then I'll cross out each number and write two behind it e.g. cross out 5 write 3 up to GW.  Then hit it with the clear-coat.  Then let it dry.  Yes! I have been saved from the horror of strong-lofted irons! No OEM gets over on Pinestreet.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go browse another thread where these exact same people are extolling the virtues of short shaft/low loft in SL irons.

Edited January 30, 2021 by pinestreetgolf

[BigTerf]

1 hour ago, Red4282 said:

My goodness this post is a mess. That said since theres no traditional names/lofts.... i carry my lob wedge 305. Strange though because its the first lob wedge i have owned that was 460ccs. I need some help naming my other 12 wedges though.

That is hilarious!  The marketing dept might try that for a season!  Anything to stand out...

[pinestreetgolf]

Oh, also, if anyone knows who defaced my short 3 iron by writing a 5 on the bottom there is a reward for his capture.

[Tree Levino]

4 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

1. Nobody but Edel labels bounce in a non-deceptive way, which is why they are so high with their numbers.  Everyone else uses dynamic bounce, which is much lower than static bounce.  So an Edel and a JAWS will be the same, and the Edel will label it at 22* bounce (for the driver grind, as an example) while Callaway labels the exact same wedge at 10* bounce.  So, no, they don't "clearly label bounce" as you say, which is my point.  Everyone here is fixated on "ego" and iron lofts when this is the way golf clubs are sold in every single respect not just loft.

 

2. I mentioned length because its significantly more important to the club's performance than the stencil used to mark it after its made. 

 

You didn't actually answer my question and addressed the D grind issue as a way to exit the conversation despite me backing off it in my last post, so I'm not hopeful you will actually address my last post, but just to try one more time:

 

1. Person A gets a Mavrik 7 iron.  Hits it 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "7" stenciled on it.

2. Person B gets a traditional set of irons, but orders them -1" and 1* flat.  He hits his 5 iron 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "5" stenciled on it.

 

Is Person B just as ego driven as person A?  The same?  Less?  Is there a difference there and if so, what is it?  The second person is using shorter traditional irons but.... are they traditional irons?  Or are they Mavriks? Or can you not cut down traditional irons because you become a strong-loft player?  Or, so, where is the line here?

 

Well, I assume both are playing the course at or sub 6000 yards if they are hitting a 28* club that far. So, in theory they shouldn't really have an approach shot in over, what? 175 yards? I'd rather have more clubs covering the distances since the slower player is going to have trouble elevating anything past the 6 or 7 iron in the Mavriks. The distances are going to start to bunch up after you get under 28* so you have less clubs doing the work in A. Probably not good for scoring. As for shortening clubs = loft jacking.... I don't know what to tell you on that. If you think it's the same then suuuuuure. 

 

A:

 

7: 165

8: 155

9: 145

PW: 135

 

B: 

 

5:165

6: 155

7: 145

8: 135

9: 125

PW 115:

 

Both would probably do well to throw some medicine balls around! 

[morrisminor]

28 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

2. Person B gets a traditional set of irons, but orders them -1" and 1* flat.  He hits his 5 iron 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "5" stenciled on it

 

 

Does person B have long arms for his height or do you not understand how lie angles work?

 

30 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

I should buy a weather-proof sharpie and clear-coat.  Order a set of Mavriks -2* flat.  Then, i'll have them cut -1.5" and regripped.

 

Never mind, I think this answers my question...

 

See anyone can be stupid Mr Pedantic Pants if they want to be.

[bladehunter]

4 hours ago, agolf1 said:

The woods yes.  Callaway Big Bertha Warbird; the 3-wood was 15 and the 5-wood was 18.  I think they had a 4-wood at 16.5...

 

Irons I'm not sure.  It probably depends on what type/model.  PING Zing/Zing 2, 845s = 47.  Wilson Staff Progressive (early 90s) = 49, Wilson Staff RM Midsize (mid 90s) = 47.

Well I’m talking titleist - hogan - Wilson MB. They were 49-50 in most sets. 48 in a few.  

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

1. Nobody but Edel labels bounce in a non-deceptive way, which is why they are so high with their numbers.  Everyone else uses dynamic bounce, which is much lower than static bounce.  So an Edel and a JAWS will be the same, and the Edel will label it at 22* bounce (for the driver grind, as an example) while Callaway labels the exact same wedge at 10* bounce.  So, no, they don't "clearly label bounce" as you say, which is my point.  Everyone here is fixated on "ego" and iron lofts when this is the way golf clubs are sold in every single respect not just loft.

 

2. I mentioned length because its significantly more important to the club's performance than the stencil used to mark it after its made. 

 

You didn't actually answer my question and addressed the D grind issue as a way to exit the conversation despite me backing off it in my last post, so I'm not hopeful you will actually address my last post, but just to try one more time:

 

1. Person A gets a Mavrik 7 iron.  Hits it 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "7" stenciled on it.

2. Person B gets a traditional set of irons, but orders them -1" and 1* flat.  He hits his 5 iron 165.  Its 28* and 37" long.  It has a "5" stenciled on it.

 

Is Person B just as ego driven as person A?  The same?  Less?  Is there a difference there and if so, what is it?  The second person is using shorter traditional irons but.... are they traditional irons?  Or are they Mavriks? Or can you not cut down traditional irons because you become a strong-loft player?  Or, so, where is the line here?

 

OK, OK, OK, Edit I think I've got it now.

 

I should buy a weather-proof sharpie and clear-coat.  Order a set of Mavriks -2* flat.  Then, i'll have them cut -1.5" and regripped.  Then I'll cross out each number and write two behind it e.g. cross out 5 write 3 up to GW.  Then hit it with the clear-coat.  Then let it dry.  Yes! I have been saved from the horror of strong-lofted irons! No OEM gets over on Pinestreet.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go browse another thread where these exact same people are extolling the virtues of short shaft/low loft in SL irons.

I’ve actually contemplated stamping the correct signal on my T100 set and adding the P to the vokey 50 degree wedge. 

[Pepperturbo]

6 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I don’t really agree. I think 16.5-17 has been a 4 wood since the mid 90s ...the pw was 48-50 then.  
 

but if we must. Sure. These evil idiots.  My 3 wood has a 4 on it !!!!! I don’t approve ! 

Agree.

 

I have the small headed Kasco VS Tour 17* 4 wood in the garage.  What a fantastic club too... 4wd then was 16-17, and 5wd was 18-19*.  That was when my 15* Kasco VS Tour 3wd and 9* Kasco VS Tour driver was hardly known on PGA, but popular on LPGA and Japanese Tour.

 

My PW as 48, but also had one at 50. 

[Gsea]

Got to love it

 

 

[boggyman]

I mean really. WGAS.............. hit what YOU know cover the required yardage and get over it. OEMs are definitely not gonna go back tonight lofts. For Christ’s sake, as they say, “ no one can hit a 3 iron anymore!😳🤔😜

[pinestreetgolf]

17 minutes ago, boggyman said:

I mean really. WGAS.............. hit what YOU know cover the required yardage and get over it. OEMs are definitely not gonna go back tonight lofts. For Christ’s sake, as they say, “ no one can hit a 3 iron anymore!😳🤔😜

I can. It’s just built two inches short and says “5” on the bottom.

 

I am seriously sympathetic to any shorter iron players who have to read this drivel. They get in their traditional lofted 3 iron -2” like always but jokes on them it’s actually a mislabeled Jacked loft 5 iron!!

 

what a Load of absolute nonsense.

[boggyman]

9 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

I can. It’s just built two inches short and says “5” on the bottom.

 

I am seriously sympathetic to any shorter iron players who have to read this drivel. They get in their traditional lofted 3 iron -2” like always but jokes on them it’s actually a mislabeled Jacked loft 5 iron!!

 

what a Load of absolute nonsense.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[Pepperturbo]

6 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

So my title offended you. Though probably not written perfectly, I have clarified that it’s about the manufacturers trying to play on our ego and emotions to make us think their “tech” is pushing the game forward. In reality, overall scores haven’t lowered so what has really happened here? If you want to increase your distance, work on compressing the golf ball and start a regime of HIIT exercise and Yoga. Get a medicine/slam ball and some speed sticks and start to throw and swing. My speed has has gone 10mph in a could of months without much change other than adding throwing exercises. 

Agree with the bold line, except NOT a Yoga guy. 

 

I been gym exercising since my Football days, and still hit the ball hard. lol Sometimes too hard.  As I see it, compressing the ball with the club head sweet spot is the key to distance.  The other half is just as important though, choosing the right shafts.  Put all those together with 620 Series irons with more traditional lofts keeps me in the game, happy and coming back for more.  Play well…

 

 

PS _ to everyone, I don't care what clubs anyone chooses to play, or if lofts are jacked to the WOW, am I a big hitter or what zone....  Just don't tell me ego isn't in play.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Pepperturbo

[bladehunter]

49 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

I can. It’s just built two inches short and says “5” on the bottom.

 

I am seriously sympathetic to any shorter iron players who have to read this drivel. They get in their traditional lofted 3 iron -2” like always but jokes on them it’s actually a mislabeled Jacked loft 5 iron!!

 

what a Load of absolute nonsense.

See. You’re understanding it now. That’s what I’m saying.  

[braincramp52]

There's way too many here that take themselves and golf gear way too serious. Have a beer and enjoy the game. Life's too short for sh!t that really doesn't matter.😀 In the end, a scratch handicap at your local country club and a dollar bill will get you a senior coffee at McDonalds.

[Tree Levino]

8 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

There's way too many here that take themselves and golf gear way too serious. Have a beer and enjoy the game. Life's too short for sh!t that really doesn't matter.😀 In the end, a scratch handicap at your local country club and a dollar bill will get you a senior coffee at McDonalds.

This has gotten entirely derailed by Pinestreet. I was calling into question what the tech really does as a part of the distance equation. Should have named the thread “tech vs loft” so the snowflakes didn’t get their feelings hurt. Lengths aside, I’m not seeing a big difference between ball speeds at the same loft despite “tech differences”.  

[pinestreetgolf]

41 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

This has gotten entirely derailed by Pinestreet. I was calling into question what the tech really does as a part of the distance equation. Should have named the thread “tech vs loft” so the snowflakes didn’t get their feelings hurt. Lengths aside, I’m not seeing a big difference between ball speeds at the same loft despite “tech differences”.  

nobody got their feelings hurt, you just never answered the question.

 

if I cut two inches off a traditional three iron am I now all about ego with a jacked five iron? Or do I have a 36” 21* traditional three iron? Or what?

 

you haven’t actually said anything beyond how far you hit a six iron. If you had named the thread “how far a +1 can hit two particular six irons” I wouldn’t have posted.

Edited January 30, 2021 by pinestreetgolf

[Bye]

20 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

This has gotten entirely derailed by Pinestreet. I was calling into question what the tech really does as a part of the distance equation. Should have named the thread “tech vs loft” so the snowflakes didn’t get their feelings hurt. Lengths aside, I’m not seeing a big difference between ball speeds at the same loft despite “tech differences”.  

I doubt a high speed player would see a difference in ball speed or potentially overall distance due to swing speed. But the launch/flight characteristics would most likely be very different, and no use to a high speed player. Especially if they like to flight the ball to make the yardage.

 

I’m not sure using a GI iron is much different to someone getting their driver hot melted to a certain level.

However that style of iron will only get anyone so far. Control is the key.

 

I know you know this, and think I get where you are coming from, and the point of the thread. Well I hope anyway.

 

[bladehunter]

17 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

nobody got their feelings hurt, you just never answered the question.

 

if I cut two inches off a traditional three iron am I now all about ego with a jacked five iron? Or do I have a 36” 21* traditional three iron? Or what?

 

you haven’t actually said anything beyond how far you hit a six iron. If you had named the thread “how far a +1 can hit two particular six irons” I wouldn’t have posted.

You’d hAve a 3 iron that’s -2 inches standard Length.      Why the obvious questions ?  What’s he point ?  Is there one ? 

[FatThinShank]

33 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

nobody got their feelings hurt, you just never answered the question.

 

if I cut two inches off a traditional three iron am I now all about ego with a jacked five iron? Or do I have a 36” 21* traditional three iron? Or what?

 

you haven’t actually said anything beyond how far you hit a six iron. If you had named the thread “how far a +1 can hit two particular six irons” I wouldn’t have posted.

Reading through this I still don’t understand what you are trying to say? If you shorten your 3 iron by 2 inches, you now have a short 3 iron...

 

The point is that manufacturers lowering the loft of an iron set and then claiming tech made it go farther is dumb, loft made it go father. 

Edited January 30, 2021 by FatThinShank

[nsxguy]

8 hours ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

Sure, but there's a difference between you (or blade) being annoyed at it / making it harder for you to find irons / not liking the trend for your own game and starting a thread whose title is "tell me its not all about ego".

 

Its not all about ego.  I like the irons in my bag that go farther at 37" shaft than my old ones.  So, you guys make very valid points in the context of why someone should or should not like the trend, but it falls well short of showing that its "all about ego" for people who play Mavriks and the like.

 

Who peed in your Cheerios ?

 

The topic is about the stronger lofts of irons today and people using them for ego purposes.

 

So I told how I don't see a difference. To ME.

 

And for this I get scolded, by you or all people, for not being on topic ?

 

Gracious, I'm sure glad I didn't mention putting midsize grips on my irons,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[nsxguy]

52 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

you haven’t actually said anything beyond how far you hit a six iron. If you had named the thread “how far a +1 can hit two particular six irons” I wouldn’t have posted.

 

How far can a +1 hit 2 particular six irons ???

 

(Wonder if that counts)

Edited January 30, 2021 by nsxguy

[Titleist_PT23]

5 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Well I’m talking titleist - hogan - Wilson MB. They were 49-50 in most sets. 48 in a few.  

OK.  But then everyone today that has a 47 degree PW should really declare that they are hitting a 9.5 iron.

 

2015 Masters Driving Range - I wonder if Tiger told Spieth all of his clubs should be re-labeled and that he's jacking?  Why did Nantz and Faldo not adjust their calls when Speith pulled a club?  He's going with the 6.5 iron now.

 

You must admit, nearly everyone with a 47 degree Titleist MB set (or whatever else) thinks their lofts are "not jacked" and anything stronger that their lofts is horrible.  But they lofts are jacked too.  Regardless, all that matters is that your gaps are reasonable/you can cover yardages. 

 

BTW, I just relabeled my 49 degree UW a 4-iron.  I started running out of numbers so now the 25 degree club is a 0.25 iron.  I love having weaker lofted clubs than may playing partners.  I can actually tell great stories about how I ripped a 4-iron out of a fairway bunker, elevated it over the lip, etc.

[Titleist_PT23]

2 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

This has gotten entirely derailed by Pinestreet. I was calling into question what the tech really does as a part of the distance equation. Should have named the thread “tech vs loft” so the snowflakes didn’t get their feelings hurt. Lengths aside, I’m not seeing a big difference between ball speeds at the same loft despite “tech differences”.  

If you just figured this out, I'm not sure what to say.  At one minute, you talk like a golfing czar.  How can anyone so smart not know loft is the biggest driver of distance. There couldn't have been any reason to post this thread other than have people tell you how right you are.