Mizuno T22 wedges preview

[SwingMan]

1 minute ago, wolverine_man said:

@SwingMan thanks for the feedback.  I assume the raw exposure on the soles, would just get a rust color and be not too far off form the look of the copper finish?  

 

I am looking at these or the Bettinardi HLX 3.0 in Black Smoke.  I'd have the same question about the durability of finish in those too, which I asked about in a separate thread. 

When that copper wears, you have raw steel - so the sole will eventually look like raw steel where the sole hits the ground. Use it in the bunker  and the sole wears faster.

[heathpitts]

I wonder if these in copper denim will wear much like the jet black coating on Vokey wedges. I had that coating in SM7s and even when that finish wore off the wedges never rusted. It was like the costing had penetrated the metal. Idk I’m totally ok with my higher loft wedges looking rough. Makes me feel cool I guess. But I did go satin in the 46 and 50 since I feel like they’re more a continuation of my iron set. These fit me so well that they could have rust falling off and I’d still happily play them 

[DaRiz]

19 minutes ago, heathpitts said:

I wonder if these in copper denim will wear much like the jet black coating on Vokey wedges. I had that coating in SM7s and even when that finish wore off the wedges never rusted. It was like the costing had penetrated the metal. Idk I’m totally ok with my higher loft wedges looking rough. Makes me feel cool I guess. But I did go satin in the 46 and 50 since I feel like they’re more a continuation of my iron set. These fit me so well that they could have rust falling off and I’d still happily play them 

I played the raw black SM7s for a couple years and they wear really cool, to me it looks great to have wear marks on the face and sole. You can also strip them to be completely raw. I moved on to the raw black RTX4 which hold up their color much better than the SM7. SM7 was matte and clung to the raw metal a little bit better, but the RTX4 are a little more glossy and don’t show a ton of wear from use, but when you strip them it comes off way easier than the SM7. 

 

Anyways I say that to say this: with both Vokey and Cleveland, the groove area is always the same color as the heel/toe area, and they wear uniformly, or at least the face wears first and not the heel/toe. My concern with the T22 denim is that after they wear, the groove area is noticeably a different tone from the heel/toe creating a very square look and to me would be weird opening up the face having what basically amounts to a two-tone face. 

 

@SwingMando you know if you are able to brush off some of the coloring on the groove area or does it stay copper while the rest of the wedge turns to raw? With both Vokey and Cleveland you can slowly blend the black color of the face away with a wire groove brush. Hope that makes sense, it’s the only thing holding me back from moving into the denim copper. I like the wear, but only if it’s uniform.. damn WRXers are a picky bunch 

 

[Avidswampthing66]

Here’s the face and sole of my 56 after 5-6 rounds.  Love these wedges.  Sole def wears quick from sand.  First it’s bright copper then you start to see a little steel underneath.  

Edited February 7, 2022 by Avidswampthing66

[SwingMan]

1 hour ago, DaRiz said:

I played the raw black SM7s for a couple years and they wear really cool, to me it looks great to have wear marks on the face and sole. You can also strip them to be completely raw. I moved on to the raw black RTX4 which hold up their color much better than the SM7. SM7 was matte and clung to the raw metal a little bit better, but the RTX4 are a little more glossy and don’t show a ton of wear from use, but when you strip them it comes off way easier than the SM7. 

 

Anyways I say that to say this: with both Vokey and Cleveland, the groove area is always the same color as the heel/toe area, and they wear uniformly, or at least the face wears first and not the heel/toe. My concern with the T22 denim is that after they wear, the groove area is noticeably a different tone from the heel/toe creating a very square look and to me would be weird opening up the face having what basically amounts to a two-tone face. 

 

@SwingMando you know if you are able to brush off some of the coloring on the groove area or does it stay copper while the rest of the wedge turns to raw? With both Vokey and Cleveland you can slowly blend the black color of the face away with a wire groove brush. Hope that makes sense, it’s the only thing holding me back from moving into the denim copper. I like the wear, but only if it’s uniform.. damn WRXers are a picky bunch 

 

 

Mine looks similar to the photos above but I get the face more uniform by using a mild abrasive on it and the grooves.

 

I am guessing you can raw the face for uniformity by a heavy abrasive. But I found a very light abrasive when needed does the trick because you want that copper layer on the face for its feel.

[KParks]

Anyone go with the raw wedges and have pictures after some time?

 

Also wondering what people are using in a 58 degree? All of the grinds seem on the low end in bounce (compared to like a Vokey K) and I’m a digger on a soft-ish home course so I’m a bit scared.

[heathpitts]

4 hours ago, KParks said:

Anyone go with the raw wedges and have pictures after some time?

 

Also wondering what people are using in a 58 degree? All of the grinds seem on the low end in bounce (compared to like a Vokey K) and I’m a digger on a soft-ish home course so I’m a bit scared.

X grind on my 58.  I’ve been known to dig but the wider sole on this one helps a ton 

[SwingMan]

5 hours ago, KParks said:

Anyone go with the raw wedges and have pictures after some time?

 

Also wondering what people are using in a 58 degree? All of the grinds seem on the low end in bounce (compared to like a Vokey K) and I’m a digger on a soft-ish home course so I’m a bit scared.

 

Don't know what to tell you.

 

On a 58, I learned to return loft at impact instead of a lot of lean - it's easier around the green. So I let the lag go on a high lofted wedge - it's just more accurate and consistent for me. I use the C Grind in the T22 and just open it up slightly on full shots and then more or less open around the green. But I did that with all high lofted wedges. I don't want big divots with a 58.

 

Don't know if that helps but opening up allows me to be aggressive without taking a big divot.

[scottaz]

10 hours ago, KParks said:

Anyone go with the raw wedges and have pictures after some time?

 

Also wondering what people are using in a 58 degree? All of the grinds seem on the low end in bounce (compared to like a Vokey K) and I’m a digger on a soft-ish home course so I’m a bit scared.

 

All three of mine are raw and besides some light wear on the sole and face, no real change after about 6-7 rounds and some range time. I haven't done anything to speed up the process. I prefer to let it happen naturally.    

 

I have the 60x 6, coming from Vokey D with twice the bounce and haven't had any issues in soft conditions. But typically use the 56D 10, if it's dicey. 

 

Very impressed with the T22's so far.        

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by scottaz

[Kale_m]

On 1/17/2022 at 2:30 PM, UnderPar18 said:

Can someone post a picture of address of a 60 degree t22. Trying to see how different the topline is from T20

The 60 is the best looking Lw from address I have ever seen. You won’t be disappointed 

[Avidswampthing66]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:30 PM, UnderPar18 said:

Can someone post a picture of address of a 60 degree t22. Trying to see how different the topline is from T20

The shaping is classy 💯

Edited February 7, 2022 by Avidswampthing66

[jetmech879]

I’d like to see how the raw looks after a month or so as well. I have the copper now and don’t really see the big deal. Reminds me of the old Vokey oil can finish that I loved for years! 

[Sankacoffee]

Anyone know the current lead times on these? I ordered mine almost 2 weeks ago and GG said Feb 23 delivery and I'm curious how accurate that is.

[heathpitts]

27 minutes ago, Sankacoffee said:

Anyone know the current lead times on these? I ordered mine almost 2 weeks ago and GG said Feb 23 delivery and I'm curious how accurate that is.

I ordered a 46 a couple weeks ago with the nippon wedge 115 and it’s still not here. First order with the 50 and 54 was just a little over 2 weeks. 58 took around 4 from mid December so I’m expecting about the same on the 46. 

[gmyers22]

I ordered on 1/9 and still waiting. Copper finish with PX shafts. Already had one delay but hopefully get them soon.  

[Sankacoffee]

1 hour ago, gmyers22 said:

I ordered on 1/9 and still waiting. Copper finish with PX shafts. Already had one delay but hopefully get them soon.  

Mine are copper and have TI S400 but shafts, but +.75" so I don't know if I'll see a delay

[Jmccas]

4 hours ago, Sankacoffee said:

Anyone know the current lead times on these? I ordered mine almost 2 weeks ago and GG said Feb 23 delivery and I'm curious how accurate that is.

For me the date GG quoted was the date Mizuno delivered them to GG. They then shipped them to me which was an extra couple of days. 

[nova6868]

I thought about ordering one of these to try, but they have hardly any shafts left in stock and I have no idea what the wait time would be. Could be months. No thanks. I feel sorry for some of the OEMs right now, hope it doesn't start to affect their employees. 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by nova6868

[NoCalHack]

I love this wedge. I have a copper 58D.  I bought it because I want a high bounce lob wedge for my course that always plays really lush. My Vokey T is not the right club for my course. 
 

I wouldn’t normally judge a wedge without hitting shots on a course or in a short game area off grass, but based on hitting it at the range it’s great. 
 

The soft feel is noticeable. Very noticeable. Like old school Japanese Mizunos with the copper underlay I’ve hit back in the day. Love it. The ball seems like it stays on the face for a long time and the trajectory comes off low with plenty of spin. 
 

It looks very much like a Vokey from top, except it’s a tiny bit more compact. The way the grooves extend into the toe makes the head look even smaller, but side by side it is the slightest bit smaller. 
 

I know that the heads are bent into final loft and mine is the highest loft for that D head. Technically that should lead to less offset. I don’t notice that is has any more or less offset than my Vokey 60T.
 

My only gripe about the look is I don’t care for the plastic medallion they use to label loft and bounce. I’d prefer a simple stamp. 
 

I’m pretty confident the 58D will play similar to a Vokey D, which I almost bought. The grip and shaft upgrades are free with the T22 and the raw isn’t an upcharge.  I am happy with the copper in terms of look and feel.  They compare very favorably to Vokey, especially if you find a grind that you like. 

[JourdanM]

hit my copper 54s and 60C yesterday for the first time and as someone that has never had a forged wedge... I'm blown away by the feel. Just butter soft. 
 

I also don't typically spin it much and I was seeing healthy 9999 with the 54 on full swings. That is huge for me. Excited to have these in the bag this season. 

[heathpitts]

3 hours ago, JourdanM said:

hit my copper 54s and 60C yesterday for the first time and as someone that has never had a forged wedge... I'm blown away by the feel. Just butter soft. 
 

I also don't typically spin it much and I was seeing healthy 9999 with the 54 on full swings. That is huge for me. Excited to have these in the bag this season. 

Same experience for me on spin. When choosing between my 50 and 54 even for a chip there’s a difference in the spin that I have to take into account. I’ve never had to do that before with any of my wedges. I’m not the best wedge player though so take this with a grain of salt 

[DaRiz]

So I just said f*** it and bought a 60x in denim off the rack at Roger Dunn

 

Let me preface this by saying I have been playing MP irons for 10+ years but haven’t played their wedges since the T11. Had vokey SM2/5/7 and then RTX4, so it’s been a minute since I hit a forged wedge and I had been telling myself that forged didn’t matter as much for feel because they weren’t full shots. I was dead wrong. Why did I ignore Chris Voshall? He’s been saying it for years!!
 

This is the best feeling wedge I have ever hit. Just a beautiful soft crisp sound that really is addicting. I will be getting the 54 and honestly I have to apologize to Mizuno, I have been nitpicking about the badging for years but who cares when they are the perfect shape at address and feel like this! I can’t believe I skipped the T4/7/20 for that cast crap. I will never stray from you again and I will now buy every new wedge release from you until I die. I am so sorry Mizuno please forgive me 

[Seamus_McDuff]

On 1/3/2022 at 8:50 AM, Seamus_McDuff said:

I wish Golf Galaxy offered a grips-in-box option like Carl’s. Maybe I’ll give them a call. 

 

Finally got around to placing my order. 

Copper

50/7

55/9

59/5

 

Golf Galaxy said the only way to do grips in box was to order in store. 

[K48]

On 2/8/2022 at 2:20 PM, gmyers22 said:

I ordered on 1/9 and still waiting. Copper finish with PX shafts. Already had one delay but hopefully get them soon.  

Ordered Jan 12 as above and my delivery was 8 weeks. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

Im starting to think the wedge is a bit overrated or the s400 is not my cup of tea. Don't get me wrong it feels fantastic... probably softest wedge ive ever felt. Im only in my second round with it... and i use my 52* from 80 and in.. all around the green its the wedge degree i use the most except for not in the sand... i just dont seem to have the touch with it. Im truly thinkin its the s400 shaft for me. Also whats bringing me down is i think the denim copper is highly overrated. Its not a dark copper its very light and loses its nice denim pattern very fast. I played it two rounds and it looks like it went through a season and a half. The chrome is much nicer but i wonder how that holds up as well.

[miz-zou]

On 2/25/2022 at 9:46 PM, Seamus_McDuff said:

 

Finally got around to placing my order. 

Copper

50/7

55/9

59/5

 

Golf Galaxy said the only way to do grips in box was to order in store. 

Any way you can show playing positions of the 55/59.  Interested to see how much offset is changed with the loft changes. 

[Seamus_McDuff]

11 hours ago, miz-zou said:

Any way you can show playing positions of the 55/59.  Interested to see how much offset is changed with the loft changes. 

Unfortunately I haven’t gotten them yet. They’re supposed to ship tomorrow. 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Seamus_McDuff

[Yoshifan151]

Finally decided on these to be my next wedges. Went with 50S, 54S, and 60X in satin chrome. Seems like I have a bit of waiting to do lol.

[AntLockyer]

Mine should be here early next month all raw and 1 degree upright with Modus wedge shafts

 

51*/08* S Grind

55*/09* D Grind

59*/09* C Grind

 

I actually preferred the Taylormade wedges for feel but the raw Mizuno spun a lot more for me.

[ob1soccer]

On 7/14/2021 at 11:15 AM, QuigleyDU said:

Ummmm.. Yes please!!!!!!!

 

seriously that pic is awesome