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Had a bit of an ah-ha moment in the simulator yesterday while tinkering with driver swingweight.

So I play MOI matched irons that are all +1.00” - 1.5” in length. 1/4” increments from Gw all the way up to 4i. Short iron heads are lightened and long iron have added weight. Wedges are E-1 and scales down to D-7 in the longer irons. They are all long and heavy but the MoI matching and building at 1/4” increments has been one of the best things I’ve ever done , équipement wise. Never hit my irons this straight and hit as many greens. I hit 17/18 greens once this year and that was my best by far

 

My driver SS is 120-122 , and been doing some shaft tinkering since the weather has gotten cold. I like the feel of my driver at D-3, but have been struggling with a high toe miss that I just can’t shake on occassion.

I’ve added weight to drivers while in my garage and measuring swingweight. And anything at D-4 and heavier feels like a battle axe

 

So in the sim yesterday, same thing with driver - good ball, high toe, high toe, good ball..

This is a Sim2 8* with Diamana TB 60 tx, at just under 46” long. Driver in upright/square setting on adapter

 

I started moving and swapping weights, and was not influenced by my swingweight scale. Started pounding it after I added almost 7g to the head, which is quite a bit. Carrying 315-320 pretty consistently 

 

Get home and of course had to put it on the scale. It’s like D-6.2 , an absolute 🔨 

 

Never thought I’d hit it so well with such a head heavy setup, but it is what it is! Maybe it helps load the shaft that tiny bit more where my timing just matched up? Or the SW just matches my irons now so I can just swing it with the same tempo 

 

Was just curious if anyone else was swinging or had success with driver @ D-6+ ?

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My driver has been D6-D8 for years now, but I also play it short (44.25"). In my experience, additional weight can help calm down certain swing mechanics that might otherwise be a little overactive. It can slow tempo, make you complete your backswing, and keep you from pulling down too hard from the top, all things that are helpful for high speed players if any of those can be issues. My initial tendency when attempting to swing a driver at speed as long as what you're using is to whack it off the toe as well. Too much length gets me feelling cramped up ironically and I lose a ton of spine angle and really flip the club from the inside. That is mostly mechanical issues, but I know to not mess with drivers that long on the course (yet). 

D6 at that length is not really heavy at all to be honest. SIM2's are coming stock at D5 these days, so I wouldn't think at all about the number. Let the on course results by the judge while keeping on eye on weight related flight problems (blocks, timing issues, fatigue etc). 

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TS3 10.5*, Diamana 'ahina 6x.  Swingweight is D7.  Its a sledgehammer, but when I'm fully warmed up, I know I can rip through the ball with this thing and it will retain the stable feel I want.

 

I don't use it all the time - on many holes on the courses around here, I would roll through the fairway and into trouble.  But its a lot of fun when I get to tee one up with this.  

 

I have an "alternate" driver (I consider it a 2W): a 12* 917D2 that plays at D6 and won't roll out past 270.  That gets much more play in most rounds...

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Was swinging 46" driver at E0 for a while.  Super heavy.  It's at like D6-D7 now.  Really helps with tempo for me, I usually get really quick in transition.

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46.25” … 4 drivers with me here in Myrtle at E0.   
 

other guys hit my drivers, note the heavy feel but inevitably hit them well

 

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Thanks for the input guys. Y’all crazy swinging D-9 and E-0 drivers 😂

 

I might keep going and get it up to D-7 or 8, now I’m curious!

 

The thing for me is that the overall static weight can’t get too high. I have a Fuji Pro 2.0 7x , I believe it’s 79g un-cut, and that thing feels like a tree branch getting it around….but it goes pretty straight 

 

Im wondering how a 50 tx and 200g head would be @ 46” 

 

 

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1 minute ago, MagicMan79 said:

Thanks for the input guys. Y’all crazy swinging D-9 and E-0 drivers 😂

 

I might keep going and get it up to D-7 or 8, now I’m curious!

 

The thing for me is that the overall static weight can’t get too high. I have a Fuji Pro 2.0 7x , I believe it’s 79g un-cut, and that thing feels like a tree branch getting it around….but it goes pretty straight 

 

Im wondering how a 50 tx and 200g head would be @ 46” 

 

 


Balancing your static weight with headweight/swingweight/length is definitely a process. And you're right, most of the time folks are going to gravitate towards lighter shafts at longer lengths for the purposes you mentioned. Today's shaft construction is churning out far more stable products in the 50g/60g weight class than in years past and people have been taking advantage of that for these long bomber setups. 

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15 hours ago, MagicMan79 said:

Had a bit of an ah-ha moment in the simulator yesterday while tinkering with driver swingweight.

So I play MOI matched irons that are all +1.00” - 1.5” in length. 1/4” increments from Gw all the way up to 4i. Short iron heads are lightened and long iron have added weight. Wedges are E-1 and scales down to D-7 in the longer irons. They are all long and heavy but the MoI matching and building at 1/4” increments has been one of the best things I’ve ever done , équipement wise. Never hit my irons this straight and hit as many greens. I hit 17/18 greens once this year and that was my best by far

 

My driver SS is 120-122 , and been doing some shaft tinkering since the weather has gotten cold. I like the feel of my driver at D-3, but have been struggling with a high toe miss that I just can’t shake on occassion.

I’ve added weight to drivers while in my garage and measuring swingweight. And anything at D-4 and heavier feels like a battle axe

 

So in the sim yesterday, same thing with driver - good ball, high toe, high toe, good ball..

This is a Sim2 8* with Diamana TB 60 tx, at just under 46” long. Driver in upright/square setting on adapter

 

I started moving and swapping weights, and was not influenced by my swingweight scale. Started pounding it after I added almost 7g to the head, which is quite a bit. Carrying 315-320 pretty consistently 

 

Get home and of course had to put it on the scale. It’s like D-6.2 , an absolute 🔨 

 

Never thought I’d hit it so well with such a head heavy setup, but it is what it is! Maybe it helps load the shaft that tiny bit more where my timing just matched up? Or the SW just matches my irons now so I can just swing it with the same tempo 

 

Was just curious if anyone else was swinging or had success with driver @ D-6+ ?

Total weight and swing weight are the two most important factors of a golf club in my opinion as they speak to the mind's eye and help you feel the club moving in space around you. I gradually added weight to my driver in 10 gram increments until I found my perfect fit...which occurred after I had added some 50 grams.  At first it didn't even register on the swingweight scale but now that I play Jumbomaxx grips it swingweights at F9 along with all of my other clubs but I absolutely love the sledge hammer feel as it is exactly the reason why I loved wooden bats over aluminum ones when I played baseball. 

 

Your club's distribution of weight should "trick" you into hitting the ball inline with the CoG. This will create trust and efficiency in a given club and it is paramount to playing your best.  I don't even question it anymore as I now just accept that I have to manipulate the specs of a club to fit what I want to feel and now I can set up a club very quickly as I know exactly what I want to feel in a club and my feel is personal to me and is likely not for anyone else and that is fine.  Going from D3 to D6.2 isn't really a dramatic change but give it time and see if the feel of the club head stays with you as I found that initially when I added weight it felt dramatic...but then a few months later I was losing the sense of the club head and had to add more and retest.  Eventually you hit the sweet spot though and then I made note of that spec and can recreate it on future clubs.  

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Ive been D5-D7 for the last 6-7 drivers at 44.5" on all my custom builds and I tend to error on the D4-5 when its a lower launch lower spin fade biased head coupled with the more tip/mid active shaft...like SIM OG with a Ventus Red. For say a SIM MAX 2 (higher seeming launching a little higher spin head) paired with an Ventus Black, Atmos TS Black, or Speeder TR always go on the D6-7 side which seems to allow the shaft to have a little more feel seemingly.  Of course this is subjective and anecdotal in nature but certainly notable in my results, FWIW.

 

I play weights and combos that allow me to feel like I can go hard and my miss isn't OB...while my great swings and tempos are rewarded with max numbers for me.  When I get into the looser shaft profiles with too much kick, it gets ugly cause then I am trying to slow it down and stuff doesn't feel proper.

 

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I've never measured swing weight, not even once. I suspect that mine has usually been high, as I've always used ultra light shafts and grips since they first became available. That being the case, while my swing weight may be high, the static weight is low, and that's what works best for me. 

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I did some tinkering and fine tuning this year. Settled on a driver setup which is the tm sim @9* fujikura ventus black 6x, playing at 45. Swapped sliding weight to and 18 gram one, and as a joke left the lead tape I had on it just to see what would happen. Couldn't miss the middle of the face LOL. After about 20 balls it felt like a bit more work than I'd like so I removed one of the 4inch strips and it's perfect. I can really feel the shaft load up, and my driving has never been better. Did the "math" apparently it comes out to D8.8. Might have to experiment with the irons too now. 

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I'm a big fan of heavier swingweight with my driver and woods.  I scale the swingweight a bit based on the shaft weight.  With the 7m3 or HZRDUS 75 in driver, I'm at D6-D7.  When I used a Motore Speeder 6.3 or HZRDUS 62, I went to D8-D9.  It's the only way I get any feel for the club if I go that light with shaft weight.

 

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On 11/26/2021 at 2:38 AM, MagicMan79 said:

Thanks for the input guys. Y’all crazy swinging D-9 and E-0 drivers 😂

 

I might keep going and get it up to D-7 or 8, now I’m curious!

 

The thing for me is that the overall static weight can’t get too high. I have a Fuji Pro 2.0 7x , I believe it’s 79g un-cut, and that thing feels like a tree branch getting it around….but it goes pretty straight 

 

Im wondering how a 50 tx and 200g head would be @ 46” 

 

 

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