LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[maowv]

1 hour ago, ck800 said:

This video is so hilarious, how can he say this stuff with a straight face LOL

 

 

"grow the game"

 

Every single person who switched to LIV has acted out the required script to claim they want to "grow the game"when factually all they have grown is their own bank account.

 

Is LIV "growing the game" with its television reach? No. CW is hard to even find on your local cable network, and their numbers fall somewhere below ratings for the Roseanne Barr Show repeats from 1994.

 

Is LIV growing the game with the tournament attendance numbers it draws? There are bigger attendance numbers at many high school football games in the US than at any LIV golf tournament.

 

If we're being honest here, golf was, and remains, a game for rich, mostly white guys at private country clubs or very expensive public golf courses.

 

Arnold Palmer grew the game. 

 

Tiger Woods grew the game.

 

Everyone else has grown their own bank account first and foremost.

 

Cut the bullxxxx, John. You're not that smart and we're not that dumb.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by maowv

[Scotty1140]

Ok…

 

Does anyone actually watch LIV yet? Or is all their attention based on who they’re going to buy next?

 

No one watches LIV and the PGA Tour keeps sinking. 
 

And now I’m about to lose some yards because of their ball rollback?

 

Instead of growing the game they’re all destroying it. 
 

Please tell me I’m wrong here. I’d like to be wrong. 

[bekgolf]

Just now, Scotty1140 said:

Ok…

 

Does anyone actually watch LIV yet? Or is all their attention based on who they’re going to buy next?

 

No one watches LIV and the PGA Tour keeps sinking. 
 

And now I’m about to lose some yards because of their ball rollback?

 

Instead of growing the game they’re all destroying it. 
 

Please tell me I’m wrong here. I’d like to be wrong. 

 

Post of the year.  Well said.

[jds_mlb]

I admit I haven’t read many posts in this thread… just the last couple pages. 
 

I feel like I missed something.  
 

LIV already has 12 teams I thought, all with captains. 
 

so which team and captain are going away to make room for Rahm and his team?

[sdiver68]

Majors have become minors until they figure out how LIV players qualify. This was an absolute nail in the coffin.

Edited December 8, 2023 by sdiver68

[BirdieBob]

1 minute ago, jds_mlb said:

I admit I haven’t read many posts in this thread… just the last couple pages. 
 

I feel like I missed something.  
 

LIV already has 12 teams I thought, all with captains. 
 

so which team and captain are going away to make room for Rahm and his team?

Nonr...this will be team 13...room for another, I believe.  

[maowv]

Professional golf is in a very dangerous place from a big picture perspective.

 

LIV hasn't been able to gain any television or in-person traction in the US which remains the world's biggest golf market by a wide margin.

 

As more and more big name players take the money and move to LIV, the PGA Tour will find it increasingly difficult to maintain existing title sponsors, or attract new sponsorship money. Television broadcast money will inevitably begin to pull back. Purses won't be sustainable.

 

Five years from now, we may see golf only on the Golf Channel which is not readily available to all parts of this country and/or world. 

 

Golf today is a minor sport when compared to the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/Soccer behemoths. For all the talk of "growing the game", I fear it is more likely being strangled ... possibly to death (as a broadcast sport).

Edited December 8, 2023 by maowv

[Mitchell]

Considering how PGA Tour has mishandled so many aspects of actually listening to their membership, is anyone truly surprised that a top player still would leverage an opportunity as an independent contractor? 

[ThinkingPlus]

I'm surprised PIF hasn't purchased GolfWRX yet. Maybe they purchased some other site and just pay shills here.

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

I'm surprised PIF hasn't purchased GolfWRX yet. Maybe they purchased some other site and just pay shills here.

Funny bcs it’s absolutely plausible 😂 

 

*and explains some things (members). 

[Holy Moses]

35 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Hard for you to believe they passed up $10m or so for $100m-$200m?

No, but that wasn’t supposed to happen. A waste of money.

[Holy Moses]

22 minutes ago, jds_mlb said:

I admit I haven’t read many posts in this thread… just the last couple pages. 
 

I feel like I missed something.  
 

LIV already has 12 teams I thought, all with captains. 
 

so which team and captain are going away to make room for Rahm and his team?

Think they are just adding a team somehow

[Holy Moses]

27 minutes ago, maowv said:

"grow the game"

 

Every single person who switched to LIV has acted out the required script to claim they want to "grow the game"when factually all they have grown is their own bank account.

 

Is LIV "growing the game" with its television reach? No. CW is hard to even find on your local cable network, and their numbers fall somewhere below ratings for the Roseanne Barr Show repeats from 1994.

 

Is LIV growing the game with the tournament attendance numbers it draws? There are bigger attendance numbers at many high school football games in the US than at any LIV golf tournament.

 

If we're being honest here, golf was, and remains, a game for rich, mostly white guys at private country clubs or very expensive public golf courses.

 

Arnold Palmer grew the game. 

 

Tiger Woods grew the game.

 

Everyone else has grown their own bank account first and foremost.

 

Cut the bullxxxx, John. You're not that smart and we're not that dumb.

 

 

 

 

Varner said it was always about the money, nothing more. For him and everyone else.

[HeadCovered]

I ❤️ this photo so much lol

 

[woahnelly]

27 minutes ago, Scotty1140 said:

Ok…

 

Does anyone actually watch LIV yet? Or is all their attention based on who they’re going to buy next?

 

No one watches LIV and the PGA Tour keeps sinking. 
 

And now I’m about to lose some yards because of their ball rollback?

 

Instead of growing the game they’re all destroying it. 
 

Please tell me I’m wrong here. I’d like to be wrong. 

 

I watch LIV. I enjoy the courses and the commentary and infrequent commercials. I also watch LPGA and college golf along with the PGA. I guess I just enjoy the sport, not the politics.  🤷‍♂️

[maowv]

6 minutes ago, HeadCovered said:

I ❤️ this photo so much lol

 

Caption this:

 

John Rahm poses with the human version of a butt plug.

[Titleist99]

24 minutes ago, maowv said:

Professional golf is in a very dangerous place from a big picture perspective.

 

LIV hasn't been able to gain any television or in-person traction in the US which remains the world's biggest golf market by a wide margin.

 

As more and more big name players take the money and move to LIV, the PGA Tour will find it increasingly difficult to maintain existing title sponsors, or attract new sponsorship money. Television broadcast money will inevitably begin to pull back. Purses won't be sustainable.

 

Five years from now, we may see golf only on the Golf Channel which is not readily available to all parts of this country and/or world. 

 

Golf today is a minor sport when compared to the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/Soccer behemoths. For all the talk of "growing the game", I fear it is more likely being strangled ... possibly to death (as a broadcast sport).

So, do you think that they'll release their television ratings next year with this new employee.....? 😎

[woahnelly]

Just now, maowv said:

Caption this:

 

John Rahm poses with the human version of a butt plug.

 

"Let me introduce you to my Yacht guy"

[jimecherry]

Just now, Titleist99 said:

So, do you think that they'll release their television ratings next year with this new employee.....? 😎

no chance in hell but i'm sure it will still be available somehow.

[TiScape]

9 minutes ago, maowv said:

Caption this:

 

John Rahm poses with the human version of a butt plug.

This post disappearing in 5-4-3…

 

[JungleJimbo]

17 minutes ago, maowv said:

Caption this:

 

John Rahm poses with the human version of a butt plug.

 

15 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

 

"Let me introduce you to my Yacht guy"

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by JungleJimbo

[Mcgeeno]

Human side: I'd take the money as well so who am I to judge.

 

Fan side: Last time I attempted to watch LIV as a Canadian the final round on CW was cut short and literally switched over to a Kennel club dog show before the round ended. 

 

Its less than a nothingburger for me. 

[JungleJimbo]

1 hour ago, Holy Moses said:

Rory says Rahm will be on the Ryder Cup team in 2025 and they will have to change the qualification process now

 

 

 

[Naptime]

If this means he can't play on the European Ryder Cup team this could be a win for the US team.  I pay no attention to LIV anyway and I suppose will eventually forget about JR too.

[BirdieBob]

 

 

[Lamb]

I think many people are being silly with the criticism of Rahm. What do you think his wife and family would say if he told them "I got offered $450m but I want honor and wish to support the PGA" 

 

Considering how much generational wealth and life-changing that money could be for further members of his family he would be stupid to say no to it. 

 

People are saying he should pick PGA over Family LMAO!!! 

[mshills]

38 minutes ago, maowv said:

Professional golf is in a very dangerous place from a big picture perspective.

 

LIV hasn't been able to gain any television or in-person traction in the US which remains the world's biggest golf market by a wide margin.

 

As more and more big name players take the money and move to LIV, the PGA Tour will find it increasingly difficult to maintain existing title sponsors, or attract new sponsorship money. Television broadcast money will inevitably begin to pull back. Purses won't be sustainable.

 

Five years from now, we may see golf only on the Golf Channel which is not readily available to all parts of this country and/or world. 

 

Golf today is a minor sport when compared to the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/Soccer behemoths. For all the talk of "growing the game", I fear it is more likely being strangled ... possibly to death (as a broadcast sport).

True. If anyone responsible for growing, or at least maintaining golf as a broadcast sport had been paying attention, they would know they are facing a major problem, largely self-inflicted. 
 

Golf has always been a niche broadcast sport at best. The Tiger era was a bubble, but this is more than reverting back to the mean. 
 

Personally and selfishly I can’t say I really care about the broadcast aspect. I play golf versus watching golf every day and twice on Sunday. I’ll watch majors on DVR in off hours, but if I have live golf on from such hair-raising exciting tournaments like the Valspar or the Greater Hartford Open, it’s just as something on in the background while I do something else.

[fastswinger]

12 million barrels a day and currently $100 a barrel, these guys do whatever they want...  $450 mil for a golfer over 3+ years?  More than what $2 billion sunk into this league....?  Crazy to think that it is nothing to them, but it really is.  It appears they are winning, but agree with others here that golf fans are losing.

[HeadCovered]

2 minutes ago, Naptime said:

If this means he can't play on the European Ryder Cup team this could be a win for the US team.  I pay no attention to LIV anyway and I suppose will eventually forget about JR too.

I think we should forget about the Ryder Cup, but start moving towards a PGA vs LIV Cup. 

The Ryder Cup is old, anachronistic and tattered, it had started to become stale. 

But if it's PGA vs LIV, we get to see the global players be involved and even the PGA tour can have international players. A win-win

 

[golfgirlrobin]

I am forever going to be surprised that Rahm has given up events like The Memorial, API, Players and the Genesis to play 3-day team events in Singapore, Nashville and a location to be named later, when he’s already worth $100+ million.
 

The FOX interview was painful; he didn’t even look like he was buying what he was trying to sell.