Bryson DeChambeau Taylormade Stealth Plus 2 2/2/23 (*** NO LIV CONTENT ***)

[Albatross Dreamer]

40 minutes ago, Stanks said:

Good. Good for him and good for Ping. Good for golf in general. Brysons play style is super particular to him and a small percentage of the market. Cobra gave him all they had, and probably had more to support but, I'm sure Ping is willing to take on the project as well.

We'll see, it's been like a week. Have to see what the agreement is too. Bryson also hasn't given them the crazy eyes yet lol. 

[TiScape]

55 minutes ago, btyh said:

Honestly WITB would come back to its roots if they did away with full bag contracts and embargo dates. early 2000s were the good WITB days. When Tour issued When tour issued and circle T held true meaning

Yeah but nobody misses paying those $1000+ prices (back when retail was $399) for a tour issued driver and getting whatever shaft happened to be in the head. These days with what’s available retail, no need to search out ‘tour issued’ gear for the most part IMO. 

*gotta put a pic w/the memory 😊

Edited February 24, 2023 by TiScape

[hammergolf]

6 hours ago, PowderedToastMan said:

I'm honestly shocked and intrigued by the i230's. There's no way PING was able to make a one-length version this quickly, right?.........

 

I have a feeling that (shock) Bryson got sucked in by how much easier gapping and shot-making is with variable length irons, not to mention how much easier it is to hit short pitch shots with a club that isn't 37.5". I could be wrong though. 

Ping have different ctp port weights and tungsten screws, so making one length for them is easy peasy.

Edited February 24, 2023 by hammergolf

[hammergolf]

6 hours ago, bryceyf said:

More photos of Brysons bag:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpBUwOuhpZZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Raw Gilde 4.0 wedges… Where are those available????

[Esco9]

If you can get past looks or your preconceptions Ping delivers the more consistent performance on mishit shots from driver to wedge on the market right now. Not a fan of Bryson but I get his decision, Ping is the leader in technology in clubs right now just not in marketing or player stable which is fine.

[Red4282]

On 2/19/2023 at 10:51 AM, mat562 said:

 

The last one I saw was in Loren Roberts' bag probably ten years ago.

 

https://www.pgatour.com/article/news/equipment-report/2022/07/28/rickie-fowler-switches-putter-once-reserved-tiger-woods
 

“At last month’s Travelers Championship, Fowler debuted a Cobra King Stingray 20 prototype putter with a custom soleplate in celebration of his daughter’s birthday.”

 

It didnt last long though lol

[Red4282]

4 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Raw Gilde 4.0 wedges… Where are those available????

Thats what surprised me, glides instead of his artesians

[AzRoger]

Looking closely at the i230's in Bryson's bag it does appear that the heads have been modified in some way. If you look at the spacing of the head weight screw and the club numbers it looks different than a normal i230 iron, almost looks like some metal was shaved off the sole near the toe and the head weight screw has been repositioned.

[btyh]

6 hours ago, TiScape said:

Yeah but nobody misses paying those $1000+ prices (back when retail was $399) for a tour issued driver and getting whatever shaft happened to be in the head. These days with what’s available retail, no need to search out ‘tour issued’ gear for the most part IMO. 

*gotta put a pic w/the memory 😊

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Very true. Correction "The 2000s web browsing witb were the days" lol here are my memory pics since the witb wrx pictures can't be seen anymore. To stay on topic,  its cool to see bryson in ping gear.

[Esco9]

1 hour ago, btyh said:

Very true. Correction "The 2000s web browsing witb were the days" lol here are my memory pics since the witb wrx pictures can't be seen anymore. To stay on topic,  its cool to see bryson in ping gear.

Those titleist tour only/prototype fairway woods from the 970 on were just something so special. I’d love to get my hands on one again just for nostalgic sake but not at some prices I’ve seen. I’ve already got watches collecting dust I overpaid for! Darn Apple Watch ruined it!

[animalgolfs]

That's some heavy grinding done - looks like a ridiculous amount of bounce removed 

[Cactus Jack]

3 minutes ago, animalgolfs said:

That's some heavy grinding done - looks like a ridiculous amount of bounce removed 

You’re right. Looks like the same thing Hovland does to his. 

[J_Tizzle]

10 hours ago, TiScape said:

Yeah but nobody misses paying those $1000+ prices (back when retail was $399) for a tour issued driver and getting whatever shaft happened to be in the head. These days with what’s available retail, no need to search out ‘tour issued’ gear for the most part IMO. 

*gotta put a pic w/the memory 😊

 

Back in the day I swore I had a VJ R510 TP.  It was 10.5* and at least 5* open with a ShaqX shaft.  Needless to say I did not hook it.

[PowderedToastMan]

10 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Ping have different ctp port weights and tungsten screws, so making one length for them is easy peasy.

Lol do you know how much weight you’d need to remove from a i230 PW at 37.5” to get to a manageable swingweight? That’s beyond a screw and some plastic. 

[RSLP]

Watch some of the YouTube interviews of Coach Mike Schy from several years ago, and he speaks about the Edel clubs during his college days, all the OEMs testing with Bryson for the PGA Tour and the final decision to go to Cobra.  He specifically says that Bryson went to Phoenix to test.  In addition, Bryson has a video with the Cobra tour staff where they both talk about the struggle to support him early on.  In my opinion Cobra/Wilson/Mizuno would struggle with present day Bryson, due to the limited resources they have for the various tours.  The big three club makers have the tour resources.  Ping has both the tour resources and the in-house engineers.   The smaller providers (Edel/Artisan) have limited/or no tour resources   Love him or hate him, this equipment deal will be interesting to follow.

Edited February 24, 2023 by RSLP
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[Binson]

Such an interesting bag. No fairways, and the G410 Crossover rather than the 425 or iCrossover. Plus, he dropped the Artisan wedges...

Edited February 24, 2023 by Binson

[hammergolf]

59 minutes ago, PowderedToastMan said:

Lol do you know how much weight you’d need to remove from a i230 PW at 37.5” to get to a manageable swingweight? That’s beyond a screw and some plastic. 

Somewhere around 25 grams of head weight difference between a wedge and what would be 7 iron. So find the lightest spec head, take away the tungsten toe and tip weight (probably close to 20 grams) and that’s most of it there. Than use the lightest ctp insert and you’ve got your 25 grams. In addition, if you look closely to the pics of his irons the soles have been custom ground so that would account for additional weight savings. 

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Back in the day I swore I had a VJ R510 TP.  It was 10.5* and at least 5* open with a ShaqX shaft.  Needless to say I did not hook it.

ShaqX, IverX and BleeX in a TM your head… Those were the days!

[SJL1216]

1 hour ago, Binson said:

Such an interesting bag. No fairways, and the G410 Crossover rather than the 425 or iCrossover. Plus, he dropped the Artisan wedges...

Is it confirmed no fairway? I bet he has a 3 wood of some sort. Curious what it would be …

[PowderedToastMan]

1 hour ago, hammergolf said:

Somewhere around 25 grams of head weight difference between a wedge and what would be 7 iron. So find the lightest spec head, take away the tungsten toe and tip weight (probably close to 20 grams) and that’s most of it there. Than use the lightest ctp insert and you’ve got your 25 grams. In addition, if you look closely to the pics of his irons the soles have been custom ground so that would account for additional weight savings. 

You're describing a method where it may be theoretically possible. You clearly understand club building, so can we both agree that while the construction of the i230 makes it possible, it certainly isn't easy. A team at PING likely took at least a couple of weeks to construct this potential one-length set for Bryson. 

 

I spoke directly with a head engineer at PING a few years ago about how I thought, just like you, PING irons were a natural fit for one length given their construction. He partially agreed and talked about giving it a go with some G model irons but ran into some constraints, mainly due to distribution of weight. The summary was that, while it could be doable, likely a different model would need to be constructed to make one-length work well. This is a PhD educated guy at PING. 

[hammergolf]

32 minutes ago, PowderedToastMan said:

You're describing a method where it may be theoretically possible. You clearly understand club building, so can we both agree that while the construction of the i230 makes it possible, it certainly isn't easy. A team at PING likely took at least a couple of weeks to construct this potential one-length set for Bryson. 

 

I spoke directly with a head engineer at PING a few years ago about how I thought, just like you, PING irons were a natural fit for one length given their construction. He partially agreed and talked about giving it a go with some G model irons but ran into some constraints, mainly due to distribution of weight. The summary was that, while it could be doable, likely a different model would need to be constructed to make one-length work well. This is a PhD educated guy at PING. 

No doubt the tungsten screw and tip weighting that they are using now have made the task easier. Ping never fail to amaze. If it’s able to be done, they can do it. I remember seeing the things they were doing for Faldo and what Jim Wells was doing with putters 20 years ago that were unheard of being done at that time. 

[Holy Moses]

Would Ping sign him without a driver?

[phizzy30]

On 2/24/2023 at 8:48 AM, Binson said:

Such an interesting bag. No fairways, and the G410 Crossover rather than the 425 or iCrossover. Plus, he dropped the Artisan wedges...

Interesting indeed.  However, when you average 330+yards off the tee like he does and never have more than 250 for your approach shots, you really don't need fairway metals in the bag.  Better off with more wedges to really dial in distance from 160 in for him. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by phizzy30

[J_Tizzle]

3 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

Would Ping sign him without a driver?

 

I think for Ping the only non-negotiables are the putter and the driver.

[Vlade15]

On 2/25/2023 at 12:35 PM, J_Tizzle said:

 

I think for Ping the only non-negotiables are the putter and the driver.

Is putter a non-negotiable?  For a long time Finau used a different brand putter.  Not trying to argue.  Genuinely curious.

[Cruisin1966]

1 hour ago, Vlade15 said:

Is putter a non-negotiable?  For a long time Finau used a different brand putter.  Not trying to argue.  Genuinely curious.

 

It was a Piretti, if I recall correctly

[J_Tizzle]

2 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

Is putter a non-negotiable?  For a long time Finau used a different brand putter.  Not trying to argue.  Genuinely curious.

 

Excellent call, you're 1000% right.  I was just thinking like how TM I think is driver mandatory, since Ping kinda made their name initially on putters that it would be as well

[Vlade15]

2 hours ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Excellent call, you're 1000% right.  I was just thinking like how TM I think is driver mandatory, since Ping kinda made their name initially on putters that it would be as well

Maybe they are now, though.  He is in a Ping putter now.  So maybe we were both right in a way.  Maybe they havent always been, but are now.

[J_Tizzle]

31 minutes ago, Vlade15 said:

Maybe they are now, though.  He is in a Ping putter now.  So maybe we were both right in a way.  Maybe they havent always been, but are now.

 

Bryson played a Ping putter this week???

 

I don't know if they'll ever actually get him in a Ping driver, but Ping drivers are crazy forgiving so maybe he'll take a few less yards and take it in play?

Edited February 27, 2023 by J_Tizzle

[Dan Drake]

Not that Byrson isn't LLOOOOONNNNNNGGG, but.....................

 

It is kinda "funny" to see him hitting a 18° iron 260+yards, but it has a "2" on the bottom of it instead of a "4" like his custom Cobras did.  

 

And I mean this in no way as a dig on Bryson, just on equipment (which I love or I wouldn't spend so much time on this site) in general.