Fujikura iron shafts.

[noodle3872]

1 minute ago, autronicdsm said:

 

I agree with you on constant weight. Parallel/taper is a moot point for me and I don't see how taper makes it more consistent build wise, or playing.

Specific to Axiom, parallel means the 4i shaft will weigh more than the 5i shaft once cut to length. Taper discreet length shafts end up the same weight throughout the set when cut to length. Taper shafts typically have balance points adjusted for consistency throughout the set.
 

It’s my understanding that the Axiom shafts will be butt cut and tip cut depending on which iron is being built. 

[Fujikura Golf]

4 hours ago, jmkorting said:

My few take a ways from this release - 1) the lack of weight selection is disappointing 3 weight classes is not a lot to pick from, 2) 125 only comes in X and how they have structured the shaft in 3 sub categories (think Edel Single Length Paderson Iron shafts - long, mid, and short irons) these can't be soft stepped enough to bring X down to S for the 125 weight, 3) I didn't see anything about the high density composite core that is found in the Pro iron series that helps maintain a steel swing weight so based on that I would think swing weight may come in on the lighter side of things playing at standard lengths.  I love the Pro series for the ability to maintain a steel swing weight and have a head heavyish type of feel to my clubs.  Price is the price so I am not bothered by that.  It also helps I only play a half set and would only need like 4 of these shafts at most.

 

3 hours ago, jmkorting said:

@Fujikura Golf does the AXIOM iron shafts contain the high density composite core found in the Pro iron series?  I didn't see it being a talking point on your website when looking over the info of these shafts.  Which leads me to think no they don't, but an official confirmation would be much appreciated.

 

We appreciate your thoughts and feedback! That goes for everyone on GolfWRX. We definitely listen to you all and take your feedback into consideration. For the swing weight question, please trust us that we have done our diligence and builders need not worry about these swing weighting correctly. The 3 part parallel system was developed to ensure total weight and swing weight will meet desired specs. The 3-parallel shaft length system that allows for constant weighting throughout the set, reduced tip trimming, and a reduced SKU count for our Dealers.

 

1 hour ago, noodle3872 said:

IMHO, this is a lip out. 3 weight classes with 3 parallel tip blanks per weight class doesn’t equal premium offering. I guess DG is a lock in the irons for the season. 

sorry you feel that way. 

 

3 hours ago, jmkorting said:

@Fujikura Golf does the AXIOM iron shafts contain the high density composite core found in the Pro iron series?  I didn't see it being a talking point on your website when looking over the info of these shafts.  Which leads me to think no they don't, but an official confirmation would be much appreciated.

HDC is included in AXIOM.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Fujikura Golf

[autronicdsm]

2 minutes ago, noodle3872 said:

Specific to Axiom, parallel means the 4i shaft will weigh more than the 5i shaft once cut to length. Taper discreet length shafts end up the same weight throughout the set when cut to length. Taper shafts typically have balance points adjusted for consistency throughout the set.
 

It’s my understanding that the Axiom shafts will be butt cut and tip cut depending on which iron is being built. 

 

Yes you're right. Using a blank shaft and trimming it will make 5i lighter than 4i. But that's not because of the tip... it's because one length vs constant weight design of the shaft.

I was just saying that them being 0.370" tip shouldn't stop anyone from playing them if the shaft fits their swing 👍

There's constant weight iron shafts that don't have taper tips.

[Fujikura Golf]

2 hours ago, TiScape said:

Ventus was taken! 😂 

haha exactly!

 

1 hour ago, Cirta69 said:

@Fujikura Golf

 

Was so looking forward to these shafts, as I am all in Ventus/Ventus TR/Ventus HB in my bag. The Axiom weights leave me a little perplexed.

One the specification page https://fujikuragolf.com/irons/axiom, it shows the Axiom 125 as a 130g and only in X flex. 

- Why would Fujikura call a shaft 125 when the weight is 130g?

- Why aren't any weight between 105g and 130g? That a big gap to have unless there will be more released later on.

 

thank you.

the 125 designates the weight "class" and not the specific weight. Once the shafts are trimmed they will lose a couple grams here and there.
If there is demand for other weights and flexes we will be listening and take those into consideration for the future.

 

29 minutes ago, MysteryV said:

Ugh - the parallel tip thing is a no-go for me.  I simply don't trust almost anyone to taper the tips of graphite shafts uniformly.  

 

MMT has taper tips.  From a manufacturing perspective I understand why Fuji made this decision as it reduces SKUs - but it definitely turns me off to them (same reason I won't buy PXG in the future given their .370 hosel w/ cheap plastic centering, oddly cut shafts, and tip weight grossness)

 

Love ya Fuji, but for those reasons, I'm out.

Sorry to hear that turns you off. We'd be happy to help point you in the direction of a capable club builder in your area if you wanted to give us a call.

[MysteryV]

30 minutes ago, autronicdsm said:

 

Why not ream your hosel then? You can always use a shim if you need to put a taper shaft back in.

 

I guess reaming is a bit more self centering - but the performance would have to be god-tier to justify the additional, non-reversible change. 

 

Given Ventus track record - that's not out of the question I suppose.  😄

[MysteryV]

3 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

haha exactly!

 

the 125 designates the weight "class" and not the specific weight. Once the shafts are trimmed they will lose a couple grams here and there.
If there is demand for other weights and flexes we will be listening and take those into consideration for the future.

 

Sorry to hear that turns you off. We'd be happy to help point you in the direction of a capable club builder in your area if you wanted to give us a call.

 

I have a garage full of your products and typically wear one of your hats to play (and am in fact wearing one right now).  I was one of the folks consistently sticking up for some of the TR failures in that thread.

 

I will continue to love and support your other products - but just don't like the "cut to fit" aspect of a .370 parallel.

[autronicdsm]

Just now, MysteryV said:

 

I guess reaming is a bit more self centering - but the performance would have to be god-tier to justify the additional, non-reversible change. 

 

Given Ventus track record - that's not out of the question I suppose.  😄

 

You would be shocked how little metal is removed to take it to 0.370". I've done this few times and it's not a big deal. You make it sound like you're amputating limbs on a person lol

[Nic1972]

11 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

If there is demand for other weights and flexes we will be listening and take those into consideration for the future.

Ok then, I would like a 90 - 95 gram option in regular+.

[ChristopherMcDonald]

Totally understand going parallel. Is there plans to release a taper tip version in the future? I'd think there's a market for it given the popularity of the MMT. 

[mogc60]

Cool shafts, great looking and I love the 3 parallel concept. I would guess finished shafts are closer to constant weights and also “specific” performance for the club range. Look forward to trying these. Parallel shafts don’t bother me at all. These seem to be a well designed upgrade to traditional designs of parallel offerings. Obviously learned a lot from the very successful pro line

Edited February 15, 2023 by mogc60

[Fujikura Golf]

3 minutes ago, Nic1972 said:

Ok then, I would like a 90 - 95 gram option in regular+.

Noted! Thank you.

 

Just now, ChristopherMcDonald said:

Totally understand going parallel. Is there plans to release a taper tip version in the future? I'd think there's a market for it given the popularity of the MMT. 

We will evaluate the feedback and potential demand from our dealers for taper tip as time goes on and take it into consideration as needed.

[Fujikura Golf]

28 minutes ago, mogc60 said:

Cool shafts, great looking and I love the 3 parallel concept. I would guess finished shafts are closer to constant weights and also “specific” performance for the club range. Look forward to trying these. 

precisely! Thank you very much for the positive feedback. 

Two key benefits of taper tip, individual iron shaft designs are:

1. Constant weight throughout the set

2. Individualized and altered performance metrics throughout a set

Edited February 15, 2023 by Fujikura Golf

[eric61]

The 125s being X-flex only means I’m out at this point, unless and until the options grow a bit. I think Fujikura makes phenomenal shafts but there are just too few options here. I’m a bit bummed. I want to go graphite but don’t want to reduce shaft weight.

[smithy925]

Dont see what the big deal is with them being parralel tip, the ventus HB shaft is the same and can be sanded down and put in a driving iron

[Davethegolfer]

4 hours ago, Golfingfanatic said:

Not really sure why you wouldn't just call them Ventus. 

Probably because they have already pissed in their own bed selling non-velocore ventus to OEMs and doing themselves is disservice 

[Cirta69]

1 hour ago, autronicdsm said:

 

It's probably close to 125 once trimmed to standard length

May be too much to ask, But I wished they had actual weights in 5g increments and name them just that, the actual weight of the shaft.

[Fujikura Golf]

2 minutes ago, Davethegolfer said:

Probably because they have already pissed in their own bed selling non-velocore ventus to OEMs and doing themselves is disservice 

that's quite the expression, wow! 😅

 

1 minute ago, Cirta69 said:

May be too much to ask, But I wished they had actual weights in 5g increments and name them just that, the actual weight of the shaft.

we aim to reduce SKU count for our dealers, that would not accomplish that.

[Cirta69]

54 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

haha exactly!

 

the 125 designates the weight "class" and not the specific weight. Once the shafts are trimmed they will lose a couple grams here and there.
If there is demand for other weights and flexes we will be listening and take those into consideration for the future.

 

Sorry to hear that turns you off. We'd be happy to help point you in the direction of a capable club builder in your area if you wanted to give us a call.

Thank you @Fujikura Golf for all the responses, very helpful. Unfortunately it is still a little hazy for me. Axiom 75 is 75-78g, Axiom 105 is 105g and Axiom 125 is for whatever reason 130g. Why not simplify the naming convention? The weight is the class and done.

Also, would love to see a 120g weight in stiff, will be instant buy.

Thank you.

[eric61]

9 minutes ago, Cirta69 said:

Thank you @Fujikura Golf for all the responses, very helpful. Unfortunately it is still a little hazy for me. Axiom 75 is 75-78g, Axiom 105 is 105g and Axiom 125 is for whatever reason 130g. Why not simplify the naming convention? The weight is the class and done.

Also, would love to see a 120g weight in stiff, will be instant buy.

Thank you.

Same here. Anywhere in the 120-130g range in stiff and I'll buy a set.

[Fujikura Golf]

32 minutes ago, Cirta69 said:

Thank you @Fujikura Golf for all the responses, very helpful. Unfortunately it is still a little hazy for me. Axiom 75 is 75-78g, Axiom 105 is 105g and Axiom 125 is for whatever reason 130g. Why not simplify the naming convention? The weight is the class and done.

Also, would love to see a 120g weight in stiff, will be instant buy.

Thank you.

We appreciate the feedback. noted!

 

23 minutes ago, eric61 said:

Same here. Anywhere in the 120-130g range in stiff and I'll buy a set.

noted!

[stevechooster]

Hey @Fujikura Golf when you cut/build to standard length with these shafts, what kind of SW should we expect? I know with other brands, people have long complained about really light SW and the inability to get it closer to D2-D3.

[getair23]

Love the impromptu ASK @Fujikura Golf FUJIKURA LiVE! session!   

[goudok]

@Fujikura Golf.  Can I put this into a hybrid?  I know the tip diameter is perfect, but has there been any testing?  If so, this would be going into a 21 degree hybrid head that will be played at 39.5 total length.  Would you suggest going the 2-4 blank and if so how much tipping.. Would be going into a Titleist hybrid.

[mogc60]

1 hour ago, Cirta69 said:

Thank you @Fujikura Golf for all the responses, very helpful. Unfortunately it is still a little hazy for me. Axiom 75 is 75-78g, Axiom 105 is 105g and Axiom 125 is for whatever reason 130g. Why not simplify the naming convention? The weight is the class and done.

Also, would love to see a 120g weight in stiff, will be instant buy.

Thank you.

It’s a weight range. No different than wood shafts. The 60 gram shafts are normally 64-68 grams and so on. It’s not too hazy really. Just like steel cut weight is normally lower than the stated weights anyway. 

[Pens #1 fan]

It’s amazing how many are mad about the weighting not being the actual weight at raw. There is a few shafts that are listed under a weight and are not that weight. Modus 105 is one that definitely does not come in at that weight. It weighs less than that. 

[TheDominator273]

39 minutes ago, Pens #1 fan said:

It’s amazing how many are mad about the weighting not being the actual weight at raw. There is a few shafts that are listed under a weight and are not that weight. Modus 105 is one that definitely does not come in at that weight. It weighs less than that. 

Also weighs more than 105 in X flex.  I think the point is perfectly valid though, if you only have 1 flex of a shaft and the raw weight is 130 grams but you call it 125 you're just trying to be deceptive to people who don't know any different.

 

On a personal note, I'm out on these simply for the fact I need closer to 115 grams for shaft weight.

[cmy]

The 125 is actually 130? Makes no since, might just well stay with Dynamic Gold Tour Issue since it’s 1 gram more. For the 4 utility iron.

[Fujikura Golf]

49 minutes ago, TheDominator273 said:

Also weighs more than 105 in X flex.  I think the point is perfectly valid though, if you only have 1 flex of a shaft and the raw weight is 130 grams but you call it 125 you're just trying to be deceptive to people who don't know any different.

 

On a personal note, I'm out on these simply for the fact I need closer to 115 grams for shaft weight.

 

The specs are listed on the site, nothing deceptive going on here my friend. The # on there is intended to assist club fitters and builders, not end consumers. Same as we do with our wood shafts. For example VENTUS 6-X is not 6 grams. A quick online search will show you this is "par for the course" and nothing new. Sorry for the confusion. 

 

Noted on 115, thank you.

Edited February 16, 2023 by Fujikura Golf

[mizunoMP14]

I don’t get why one of the main decisions in your product is to reduce the # of SKUs. 

True temper, KBS, MCA, and UST all have lots of constant weight discrete length shafts and have no problem with dealers stocking or selling products 

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, getair23 said:

Love the impromptu ASK @Fujikura Golf FUJIKURA LiVE! session!   

Seriously. I don’t see too many (any???) other OEMs here taking the time and effort. Says a lot IMO 👏🏼