Is Chris DiMarco Completely delusional?

[vandyfan]

I had to pull out these quotes from the golfwrx article today...

 

 

I feel like it makes more sense to ELIMINATE the Social Security tour PGA Tour Champions than dump more money into it. In the leaner, meaner PGA Tour...I would hope the private equity folks would cut this thing immediately. Honestly would much rather take the tv coverage that PGA Tour Champions gets and throw it over to the KFT but maybe I am in the minority on this? What say you all?

[geauxt]

A lot of folks don’t seem to understand where the money for purses comes from. Who is shelling out a significant amount of money for a champions tour event? Does the Champions tour get more eyeballs on it than the LPGA? 

[Titleist99]

20 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

I had to pull out these quotes from the golfwrx article today...

 

 

I feel like it makes more sense to ELIMINATE the Social Security tour PGA Tour Champions than dump more money into it. In the leaner, meaner PGA Tour...I would hope the private equity folks would cut this thing immediately. Honestly would much rather take the tv coverage that PGA Tour Champions gets and throw it over to the KFT but maybe I am in the minority on this? What say you all?

Chris Dimarco has to know that the PGAT Champs is a branch of the PGAT. I'm pretty sure that the TV coverage is included in the media deal. Don't quote me though.

[golfortennis]

34 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

I had to pull out these quotes from the golfwrx article today...

 

 

I feel like it makes more sense to ELIMINATE the Social Security tour PGA Tour Champions than dump more money into it. In the leaner, meaner PGA Tour...I would hope the private equity folks would cut this thing immediately. Honestly would much rather take the tv coverage that PGA Tour Champions gets and throw it over to the KFT but maybe I am in the minority on this? What say you all?

 

Why eliminate it?  There is a market for it.  If there wasn't it would have disappeared on its own. Dimarco can say they should be playing for more money, just like the LPGA does, and just like most every employee out there does, but saying it doesn't make it so.  If you don't like it, don't watch.  I'm not sure what misguided notion you are following with "they should be eliminated" but....it is misguided.  This is not a sport, this is a business using a sport as its draw.  It may seem to be a distinction without a difference to you, but it most certainly is not.

[widow-maker]

Conventionally, you make money when people want to buy your product.  LIV changed that by just throwing scads of money around before people actually wanted to buy the product.  And people still aren't buying it.  

 

I'm not sure the PIF wants to get in on the senior tour.  There's a market for the senior tour, and to be honest, it's probably more popular than LIV as far as attendance and TV viewers.  But I think the Saudis view it as a minor league and they want to be involved in the major leagues. Dimarco wants some of that easy money they're wasting, and I can't blame him.  Unfortunately, he was born a few years too early. 

[st1800e]

I understand what DiMarco is saying, I just don’t know why he’s saying it, they’re off the cuff musings ……no thought before speaking.   

Most everyone would “like more money”, but coming up with non sensical comments, ignoring the realities of how things work is just plain illogical, and irresponsible when talking to the media.  Doesn’t look good on him.  
 

It’s like the weather, everyone complains about it, but no one does anything about it.  

[Denny100]

Everyone wants a free lunch I guess.

 

And I suppose with someone like Chris DiMarco, he cant earn his money anywhere else.

 

Sponsors need to put more money in for his wish to come true. Do sponsors want to put bigger money into the Champions Tour?

 

LIV is a totally different thing. It runs at a massive loss. Its not a "business model" in any sense.

[Hawkeye77]

 

DiMarco is spelled G-R-E-E-D.

 

The Champions Tour is lucky to provide the purses it does, it's not all that easy to get to play on it for many, it is what it is.

 

Your time came and went Chris - nobody owes you a living.

[jah7838]

12 minutes ago, st1800e said:

I understand what DiMarco is saying, I just don’t know why he’s saying it, they’re off the cuff musings ……no thought before speaking.   

Most everyone would “like more money”, but coming up with non sensical comments, ignoring the realities of how things work is just plain illogical, and irresponsible when talking to the media.  Doesn’t look good on him.  
 

It’s like the weather, everyone complains about it, but no one does anything about it.  

He was asked about LIV and the money golfers were playing for on the Golf Subpar podcast, and comparing what they're playing for to what he played for when he was on the PGA Tour and what they play for now on the Champions Tour.  

[j.b.newton]

I listened to his interview on the podcast and i think the written version comes off a little more ?crass/greedy? than the actual interview.  I certainly do not know his intent, but he did say a few things similar to that while laughing and in the midst of one of Sleeze's cringey joke add ons.  Again - intent/perception are individualized. As a whole, he did not come off great to me, but giving him some benefit of the doubt.

 

I think the PGA Champ is in a position to "hold on" for the next few years until a ceratin person turns 50 and doesnt feel guilty for riding in a cart......We know Tiger drives the golf viewership market in most cases, but am very curious to see if his Champ Tour appearances actually make it a significantly more viewed endeavor.

[mosesgolf]

5 minutes ago, j.b.newton said:

I listened to his interview on the podcast and i think the written version comes off a little more ?crass/greedy? than the actual interview.  I certainly do not know his intent, but he did say a few things similar to that while laughing and in the midst of one of Sleeze's cringey joke add ons.  Again - intent/perception are individualized. As a whole, he did not come off great to me, but giving him some benefit of the doubt.

 

I think the PGA Champ is in a position to "hold on" for the next few years until a ceratin person turns 50 and doesnt feel guilty for riding in a cart......We know Tiger drives the golf viewership market in most cases, but am very curious to see if his Champ Tour appearances actually make it a significantly more viewed endeavor.

Big T imo will just play the majors and especially Senior US Open and THE Open.  But hey that’s fine by me.  Any chance to see him play is great.  As far as DiMarco no shame in wanting or asking for more money albeit it is delusional.  

[bcflyguy1]

58 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

I had to pull out these quotes from the golfwrx article today...

 

 

I feel like it makes more sense to ELIMINATE the Social Security tour PGA Tour Champions than dump more money into it. In the leaner, meaner PGA Tour...I would hope the private equity folks would cut this thing immediately. Honestly would much rather take the tv coverage that PGA Tour Champions gets and throw it over to the KFT but maybe I am in the minority on this? What say you all?

Same mindset as new college grads who think they should be able to walk into a mid-senior level job with corner office and an annual income comfortably above 6 figures.

 

Same mindset as female pro athletes who think they should have equal pay to men despite playing in front of mostly empty venues with TV ratings a fraction of their male counterparts.

The LIV players have taken advantage of the loss leader handout they've been given by the PIF, and anyone blaming them for that is disingenuous at best. LIV is not a sustainable construct; don't care how much oil money the PIF dumps into it. The diluted player pool left on both sides of the divide fatally flaws the product of both. The longer LIV continues to founder, the sooner its owners will get bored of it and take it off life support...unless they succeed in collapsing the PGA Tour first (which has been Norman's real objective from the outset).

 

Others like DiMarco saying "where's MY money?" is founded on the false idea that LIV is in fact a sustainable entity. The fact that the PIF massively over-payed for the product that's been produced in their name doesn't obligate their competitors to do the same.

If he really wants to play for more money, he knows what he can do; get back on the PGA Tour on the merits. We all know that's never happening again.

 

As the kids like to say, "know your worth." That trite clap-trap cuts both ways.

[Mike_C]

Don't get me wrong, I like watching the Champions Tour, but I have always felt the Champions Tour is nothing really but an exhibition, a chance to see the great players of years past.  People will pay some for that.   Other than golf nuts like WRXers, nobody really wants to see a bunch of ex club pros fighting it out for the coveted Greater Fort Doge Invitational Championship, presented by Viagra....

[david.c.w]

Can't hurt to ask.  Worked for women's basketball.   I enjoy most womens sports but WNBA and NCAAW are borderline unwatchable.  Golf, tennis, soccer are all great.

 

No matter what settings I put in my sports apps womens bball is always right there.  They kept asking amd they got it.

Edited March 27 by david.c.w

[woahnelly]

When big cat turns 50, the champions tour will be more popular than the PGA Tour. Time to invest i say.

[dfeldss]

All these guys are delusional at this point, even the guys on the PGAT. I'm far from a LIV guy, but these guys asking for more money, then the Tour asking sponsors for money, then putting out a watered down, Ad-Fiesta of a TV product is just silly. 

 

I understand LIV forced their hand, but they've got the whole process bass ackwards. Make the product better first and get more eyeballs on it, then you can ask for more money.

 

And at the end of the day, golf is a niche sport. The Champions Tour even more-so. 

[tatertot]

14 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

When big cat turns 50, the champions tour will be more popular than the PGA Tour. Time to invest i say.

What possible motivation would Tiger have to play old man golf?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Just now, tatertot said:

What possible motivation would Tiger have to play old man golf?

Because he enjoys competing in the game? 

[st1800e]

5 minutes ago, tatertot said:

What possible motivation would Tiger have to play old man golf?

Apparently he has some motivation. Has stated that he’ll ride a cart when he plays on the champions tour.
 

p.s.  Because carts are allowed for all players on the Champions tour - doesn’t need an ADA exemption- which he says he won’t apply for so he can ride on the PGAT

[Ferguson]

8 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Because he enjoys competing in the game? 

 

Tiger knows he will grow old just like the rest of us.  

[CHM 12]

Don’t really understand his gripe or when other sports say athletes regardless of gender should be compensated the same. I’m pretty sure age isn’t a restriction for qualifying for PGA events, so go and qualify in some events and make some big money. I’d love to see a bunch of olds and ladies qualify for a real event from a 7500+ yard par 71 and compete for the big purses!

[woahnelly]

21 minutes ago, tatertot said:

What possible motivation would Tiger have to play old man golf?

 

Well for one, having all the USGA hardware in his trophy collection, the US Senior Open is a goal of his.

Also maybe to get reps before majors, he'd rather play 54 holes and ride around in a cart to keep sharp? 

Edited March 27 by woahnelly

[cgasucks]

Dimarco is a little delusional.  Those guys on the Champions tour are on the twilight of their careers and far from their prime. If LIV existed 20 years ago, they would love to snatch up Dimarco but let's face it, the big money goes to those who are in the prime of their careers.

 

Would you rather pay your hard earned money to see Wayne Gretzky in the 1984 Stanley Cup Finals or him in some old timer's game in 2024?

Edited March 27 by cgasucks

[caniac6]

38 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

When big cat turns 50, the champions tour will be more popular than the PGA Tour. Time to invest i say.

I doubt he will play often. 

[RHenderson]

I personally Prefer the Champions Tour because it's a lot of guys I grew up watching and their game is more inline with mine at my age. I also agree let Tiger come over or join and the Purses will go up along with it's popularity, which brings me back to the PGA? Personally I have lost interest and find myself Watching the Tour Champions & LPGA more and more, cant wait to see the impact he has.

 

   

[jimecherry]

1 hour ago, widow-maker said:

Conventionally, you make money when people want to buy your product.  LIV changed that by just throwing scads of money around before people actually wanted to buy the product.  And people still aren't buying it.  

liv didnt create the model they are using. tons of companies have lived and died on the investment pipeline before all else scheme.

[tatertot]

Who would want to invest money in a tour filled with past their prime golfers playing 54-hole exhibition tournaments?

 

Oh wait ...

[MattM97]

38 minutes ago, tatertot said:

What possible motivation would Tiger have to play old man golf?

 

US Senior Open, believe he would be the only man to win the Amateur, Pro and Senior. 

[st1800e]

5 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

US Senior Open, believe he would be the only man to win the Amateur, Pro and Senior. 

Jack and Arnie have those. There may be others.  

[LeoLeo99]

Equal pay for equal work.