The Tiger Woods PED/Steroids Speculation has to end

[Tim Meitner]

[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1400946070' post='9359851']
Kudos to the Mods/Management for letting this one roll. In the past any thread with PED got quashed in short order. [b]What changed?[/b]
[/quote]

Apathy?

[puttingmatt]

[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1400946070' post='9359851']
Kudos to the Mods/Management for letting this one roll. In the past any thread with PED got quashed in short order. What changed?
[/quote]

Accusations of PEDS are every where in sports, very worthy topic in todays world.



Ahem, pass the antler spray please !!!

[Forged4ever]

Ok, I can't take any longer, LMAO!!

I read this thread through for the first time, and there are a few items that I'd like to touch on.

First, to the Gentleman who spoke of PED patches and wearing "them during the game" due to their undetectability, the fact that that is my first topic to deal with, well, nothing could be further from fact, and that is so erroneous that I initially thought that you intentionally posted it to just throw a wrench into the discussion, and that you were being humorous, though when I read further and saw that you didn't post a follow-up to the tune of, "Hey, I was just messin around and wanted to say something soooo off the wall, to see if anyone caught it," well, enough's enough

However there were no follow-ups, lol.

Dude, #1, the benefits from PEDs, ANY PED, be it organic(which is really an oxymoron) or designer(synthetic), is gained longer term and it is not "fast acting," LMAO, no it is not like an amphetamine, ie., speed, which short term gives an energy boost that would be used in that manner. #2, using a transdermal patch as the delivery system has nothing to do with detectability and everything to do with maximizing the amount of the drug that actually gets processed and leads to benefits, not wasted, as say, an oral pill would(up to 65-68% not processed). I guess technically, "speed" is a PED, however I take it that since we are discussing Tiger, size increases and all, that you are referring to steriods/growth hormones and the designer "enhancers."

The second thing that I read was someone said that Tiger tipped the scales at 245lbs, LMAO.

Having played football in college, and I played at 238-242lbs(ILB) at 6'2", and while I wasn't cut like Somaplr's pic, lol, I can assure you that Tiger MAYBE, and I say MAYBE, hit 200-205, though I doubt it, however he never came within 35-40 pounds of 245.

NEVER!!

Nuff said.

Now to the Gentleman who happened to play with some docs who proffered their off-the-clock "amateur" diagnoses. I say amateur, because, as has been stated, unless these docs were specialists, whether on the research side, or trained in treating ODs/adverse reactions, just by looking at an individual on TV or in some magazine/internet pic, well, they too are full of sh*t, lol.

Theirs is just an opinion, carrying no more validity or accuracy than yours or mine.

There is no group of professionals, physicians as a whole, and surgeons in particular, where their tone of certainty soooooooo far exceeds their actual knowledge in areas outside of the professional knowledge and specialties. They are used to being the authority in the room, whether it be an operating room, an exam room or a bar room, lol, and they speak with the same tone of certainity, regardless of their locale or the topic, LMAO. Through osmosis, a physician can transfer their medical knowledge to any and all subjects. It really is amazing to watch, LMAO.

And no, I'm not anti-physician. My Father is a transplant surgeon and my GF is an othopod(I might actually stand a chance with this one as she compartmentalizes sh*t as much as I do, LMAO, and she's an 8.5 cap, and intense too, lol). I Love my father very much and I adore her. So, if an MD reads this, please remove yourself from the equation as this is not directed at you personally, just please look at your peers with the objectivity that you would a new patient that you have not yet taken a history from. LMAO, see, I've got a point

And one last thing, and obviously, this is just my opinion, though IF Tiger took PEDs, and I have no idea, nor do I care, it's my thoughts that he took them not so much for performance enhancement, though obviously, the shortened recovery cycles and increased intensity work-outs that would result would be a major benefit, however I believe that the primary reason he took them was to become, at least in his mind, an "athlete." Yes, hitting a golf ball is extremely challenging. Yes it takes athletic skill to do so at the professional leve.

I'm not referring to that. Please remember, this is the guy who's nick name at Stanford was "Erkel." This is the guy who, while he could always hit a golf ball, never played any other sport. I believe in his mind, he wanted to "get big." Look at who he ran with, Michael & Charles(Ok, so Charles was a tad too big, lol). He heard the jokes not only about "Erkel," but about the overwight Tour Pros who couldn't run tee to green without the serious possibility of an MI occuring. His father was a college baseball player and a Green Beret. He was an athlete.

Then he started hangin with SEALS, LMAO.

He wanted to be a "bad" boy, an athlete, if you will, lol, and to look like one.

Sorta like the guys that I used to see in the gym who never played a sport, or at least they weren't any good, lol, yet they lifted their *sses off and some even juiced, LMAO. Why? Simple, to feel better when they looked in a mirror. They couldn't run and chew gum simaltaneously, yet they were, in their mind, "bad" boys, athletes. Now I'm not comparing Tiger to them literally, though this mindset runs the gammot. They're at one end, with Tiger at the other.

So, he went from a thin, 165-175, to a solid 195-200 lbs.

Now he looks like an ATHLETE.

Now, he looks like he could run and chew gum at the same time, even if he can't, lol.

It's also my opinion that he was better off, golf wise, with his former build, and growing and filling out naturally, for his swing. He had a "whip" like motion, which is more conducive to a golf swing. But hey, he's arguably one of the 2-3 greatest ever to tee it up, he made it back to #1, and I don't believe that the book's finished.

Well Gals/Gents, that's my .02's worth, so I bid you adue and I hope that you all have a fun, safe holiday week-end

Fairways & Greens My Friends,
Richard

[farmer]

I agree with Richard, and as I posted earlier, it's the knee-Galea connection that keeps this alive. He's been lifting for 20+ years, so 30-40 pounds over his debut weight is not unreasonable. As an aside, one of my cousins is an MD, but a GP. His saying is that internists medicate, surgeons operate, for everything.

[smiley9929]

[quote name='nochct1' timestamp='1400909385' post='9358681']
[quote name='smiley9929' timestamp='1400897832' post='9357991']
So clearly the pga tour is the only pro sport where peds are non-existent.

[size=4]At least that's what they (pga tour as a whole) want you to believe.[/size]

The old 'self-regulation' and 'non-disclosure' program always seems to work well, right?

Bunch of goats.
[/quote]

So which players do you think are taking PEDs?
[/quote]

So I have no way to know who is or isn't using what.

In my (admittedly small) mind, PED's in golf would tend more toward substances that sharpen the mind and / or limit the effects of nerves down the stretch.

Caffeine is a simple PED. I use it every day at work otherwise my performance wouldn't be at the same high level.

I also take some blood pressure medication that calms the nerves and has helped my golf game, especially under pressure.

I have no idea what all the other substances are that are out there that may be being used.

The only thing I do know is that when millions and millions of dollars are on the line in any pro sport some participants turn to PED's to give them the extra advantage.

It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

[JasonFL]

Im exactly tigers height and weight.... only he looks a solid 15 pounds heavier than me.

Ive seen him up close a few times and there is no way we are the same weight.

If I were a betting man I say he has done at least two cycles.

[puttingmatt]

Whats the most popular delivery system or technique available
to athletes ? And how do they beat the drug tests ?

[J13]

[quote name='JasonFL' timestamp='1400994608' post='9362861']
Im exactly tigers height and weight.... only he looks a solid 15 pounds heavier than me.

Ive seen him up close a few times and there is no way we are the same weight.

If I were a betting man I say he has done at least two cycles.
[/quote]

You realize they don't update weight in his bio for the pga tour. Could you imagine if they did that for players every year?

And on a side note comparing one person to another without knowing their bone density, body fat %, and muscle density is useless? It's like looking at a beach ball and a medicine ball and saying "they are the same size so how can they be a different weight?"

[shaffe]

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1400713765' post='9342565']
Golf is a game of honor. No way would Tiger cheat. That's like saying he would take a favorable drop, or not admit his ball moved. His dad taught him better than that.
[/quote]

Lots of post like this in this thread. Dude slept with a couple dozen women while a married man. Hard not to question his integrity/character after that, especially behind closed doors.

I could care less if he juiced or not. I just don't get posts like this where people claim Tiger's integrity should not be questioned.

[27x10.5]

So has the speculation come to an end yet?

[Arafel]

[quote name='27x10.5' timestamp='1401043929' post='9364725']
So has the speculation come to an end yet?
[/quote]

I'm going to speculate that it has not.

[Sean2]

[quote name='Arafel' timestamp='1401073761' post='9366915']
[quote name='27x10.5' timestamp='1401043929' post='9364725']
So has the speculation come to an end yet?
[/quote]

I'm going to speculate that it has not.
[/quote]

I posted much earlier about all the speculation on the speculation, and that it's all speculation.

For the record, I've never taken a PED, but I did eat a poppy seed bagel once.

[Poor Posture]

I didn't know Tiger was using steroids. Is he going to get banned?

[Arafel]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1401074029' post='9366941']
[quote name='Arafel' timestamp='1401073761' post='9366915']
[quote name='27x10.5' timestamp='1401043929' post='9364725']
So has the speculation come to an end yet?
[/quote]

I'm going to speculate that it has not.
[/quote]

I posted much earlier about all the speculation on the speculation, and that it's all speculation.

For the record, I've never taken a PED, but I did eat a poppy seed bagel once.
[/quote]

I understand that it is all speculation at this point, but sometimes it's fun to theorize about the theories other people form regarding other theories, in theory.

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1401074029' post='9366941']
[quote name='Arafel' timestamp='1401073761' post='9366915']
[quote name='27x10.5' timestamp='1401043929' post='9364725']
So has the speculation come to an end yet?
[/quote]

I'm going to speculate that it has not.
[/quote]

I posted much earlier about all the speculation on the speculation, and that it's all speculation.

For the record, I've never taken a PED, but I did eat a poppy seed bagel once.
[/quote]

I was juicing cheeseburgerobol and hotdogstrerone today. Along with 400,000,000 ml of budweisereranol.

Gives you that extra get up and go for drilling a bunch of 2" wide, 18" deep holes through solid granite with the Hilti. *&*^% takes like 20 minutes for each hole.

Will need another "cycle" for driving the chisels in with a sledghammer.

My hobby. Hope I don't get tested ; )

[golfortennis]

[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1401079713' post='9367257']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1401074029' post='9366941']
[quote name='Arafel' timestamp='1401073761' post='9366915']
[quote name='27x10.5' timestamp='1401043929' post='9364725']
So has the speculation come to an end yet?
[/quote]

I'm going to speculate that it has not.
[/quote]

I posted much earlier about all the speculation on the speculation, and that it's all speculation.

For the record, I've never taken a PED, but I did eat a poppy seed bagel once.
[/quote]

I was juicing cheeseburgerobol and hotdogstrerone today. [b]Along with 400,000,000 ml of budweisereranol.[/b]

Gives you that extra get up and go for drilling a bunch of 2" wide, 18" deep holes through solid granite with the Hilti. *&*^% takes like 20 minutes for each hole.

Will need another "cycle" for driving the chisels in with a sledghammer.

My hobby. Hope I don't get tested ; )
[/quote]

I hear that one is especially dangerous to your long-term health. I've heard it led to self amputations in several cases, because the guys would rather do that than wake up the girl they ended up going home with the night before*.


*Going home with ugly girl being the most common side-effect of this chemical.

[golfs453]

[quote name='albiefresh' timestamp='1400884393' post='9356613']
[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1400883555' post='9356545']
[quote name='albiefresh' timestamp='1400881884' post='9356403']
"If he did give TW PEDs, why not tell the Feds? If he gets caught lying to them, he is breaking rocks for the rest of his life."

Why would Anderson (BALCO trainer) go to jail rather than testify in Bonds's perjury case?
[/quote]

You make no sense.

Galea said TW *did not* take PEDs.

Anderson *refused* to testify.

And

" The main contention of Anderson's appeal is that a secret, illegally-recorded tape of him discussing Bonds' steroid use was the basis for the grand jury questions he refused to answer. "

[url="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds_perjury_case"]http://en.m.wikipedi...ds_perjury_case[/url]

" U.S. District Judge Susan Illston
told jurors that the transcript they sought wasn't evidence, only the recording was. As Bonds sat at the defense table, they listened to the tape, with several taking notes. Anderson is heard talking about cysts that can form at injection sites on the body, and Hoskins asks about "Barry's."
"I never just go there, I move it all over the place," said a voice on the recording that Hoskins and a written transcript said was Anderson. The substances used were "undetectable," Anderson is alleged to have said on the tape. Anderson had been discussing how the shots sometimes caused cysts that had to be drained. "

[url="http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-08/bonds-jury-asks-for-transcript-of-ex-partner-s-secret-recording-of-trainer.html"]http://mobile.bloomb...of-trainer.html[/url]
[/quote]

Using Anderson was only because you seem to think that no one would risk going to jail. No big deal.

If you want a denial, Victor Conte of BALCO specifically denied giving Bonds steroids.

"[color=#000000][size=3]"BALCO did not give him steroids," Conte said Thursday by phone from Taft (Calif.) Correctional Facility, referring to the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative in Burlingame, Calif. "I never gave him steroids." [/size][/color]

And of course there is more evidence against Bonds - he eventually got caught (kind of I guess, since he hasn't had any punishment). No one is denying that. The point is that early on when there were only "unfounded allegations" and "internet rumors" of steroid use, the defenses of "he hasn't tested positive", "his Dr. denies it", and "the people in position to know have never accused him" were all applicable to Bonds.

As I have said all along, this is not proof that Tiger took PEDs. All I am saying is that the defenses of "he hasn't tested positive", "his Dr. denies it", and "his close associates haven't accused" him are weak, because the same could have been said for people we NOW know took PEDs, but were only suspected at the time.
[/quote]

I'm just not sure what the people involved would have to gain by saying Tiger did not take PED's:

[url="http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/6760484/tiger-woods-use-peds-patient-says-lawyer-anthony-galea-assistant"]http://espn.go.com/g...galea-assistant[/url]

[Largechris1]

I'm getting a bit mad reading many of the replies..... I know I'm not going to convince the haters, but OP is correct (except about woodland who is not that thin), anyone who knows about training knows that just looking at Tigers physique over the years provides zero evidence of PED.

Also certainly in the UK we have some terrific investigative journalists (who first exposed Armstrong for example) and they have turned up nothing at all on Tiger re PEDs.

[PGArox]

220+ responses so far, without a lock. Impressive or troubling?

[502 to Right]

This thread was mis-named.

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='Poor Posture' timestamp='1401076857' post='9367149']
I didn't know Tiger was using steroids. Is he going to get banned?
[/quote]ROLMFAO, THIS is my Winner!!

I almost threw up my late nite snack(boy does hospital jello suck )

And to the Gent who, if he was a betting man, ROLMFAO x 2, would bet that Tiger "did two cycles," what do ya think, Harley & Yamaha?

Or do ya think he's a Beemer Boy, LMFAO?

Let me ask you a serious question:

How long was his cycle?

Specifically, if you were a betting man of course, what PED would you bet that he took?

What, again, if you were a betting man, would you say his off cycle PED was and how long between cycles?

And finally, delivery system-

Oral, hypodermic, IV, transdermal?

Now remember, though transdermal has been discussd(by people who wouldn't know transdermal from a transvestite), and is the "sexy" answer, it not the most efficient system.

What do ya think?

Well, my meds have kicked in so I'm gonna doze off-

Hope that You all had a great holiday, got to spend time with Loved Ones and got to hit the ball-

And Please, take a minute And thank and say a Prayer for all who have sacrificed so that we may go about our daily lives free of the horror, evil and mayhem that so many around the world must endure-

And Sean, my respect for you had grown immensely knowing that you said no, that you were only going as far in this game as your natural skills, practice and the body that God have you will take you!

Well Played Bro!

Very well played

Take care Gals/Gents

My Best,
Richard

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='PGArox' timestamp='1401136893' post='9369809']
220+ responses so far, without a lock. Impressive or troubling?
[/quote]The latter, LMAO

Extremely so!

Have a great week

Fairways & Greens My Friend,
Richard

[kellygreen]

[quote name='albiefresh' timestamp='1400878764' post='9356185']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1400878272' post='9356147']
[quote name='albiefresh' timestamp='1400877871' post='9356109']
Let's change a couple of words in your sentence. "[s]Bonds[/s] [u]Tiger [/u]got caught up in the [s]BALCO[/s] [u][color=#333333]Anthony Galea [/color][/u]scandal because there was concrete evidence that the [s]facility[/s] [u]doctor [/u]he was involved with was supplying PEDs to several [s]baseball players[/s] [u]athletes[/u]." Nice work.

Bonds perjured himself to a grand jury? I think you are wrong on that one. Go look up his conviction.
[/quote]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds#BALCO_scandal"]http://en.wikipedia....s#BALCO_scandal[/url]

Still flailing.

Bonds was only convicted on the obstruction charge, but he has been indicted on four counts of perjury

You can change all the words you want...there is NO equivalency here. Except the one you are trying to create out of thin air....by cherry-picking what suits your agenda, and ignoring the marked differences that debunk you innuendo.
[/quote]

In other words, I was right. No perjury conviction. Go ahead, you can admit it. I know it is very difficult for you. Seems that you are flailing - changing the argument yet again.

Your statement is EXACTLY equivalent. I didn't write it - you did. Maybe you should accuse yourself of creating it out of thin air - haha. Only the names are different. Let's look at it again:

"[s]Bonds[/s] [u]Tiger [/u]got caught up in the [s]BALCO[/s] [u][color=#333333]Anthony Galea [/color][/u]scandal because there was concrete evidence that the [s]facility[/s] [u]doctor [/u]he was involved with was supplying PEDs to several [s]baseball players[/s] [u]athletes[/u]."

Looks pretty equivalent to me. Keep shouting FALSE EQUIVALENCY though, it beats trying to analyze how the statement does not apply.
[/quote]

1. I didn't say he was convicted of perjury. I said he PERJURED himself.

Because that is the common sense interpretation of what he did, and why we was indicted on 4 counts of it.

But there is a difference between what one knows and what one can prove in a court-of-law. A certain former US Attorney General (under oath) claimed that he "did not recall" SEVENTY-EIGHT TIMES while testifying about a firing scandal before the Congress.

Now, if you think he was telling the truth about his "memory loss" each of those 78 times....then you are more gullible than even I thought. Probably one of those guys who thinks that "Not Guilty" means the same as "Innocent". This individual was simply lying...and lying in a manner that is extremely difficult to prove. As a result he managed to stay out of prison. I suspect that similar lies were used by Bonds while testifying to the grand jury.

2. There is no equivalency. You are simply throwing out innuendo. There is no evidence that Tiger used PEDs and no credible accusations that has done so.

You are reduced to word games, and guilt-by-association because you've got NOTHING else.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='albiefresh' timestamp='1400882281' post='9356437']
I didn't make that argument. I never posted in this thread until you claimed that because Galea denied giving Tiger PEds, TIger's associates haven't outed him, he did not take PEDs.

In fact, you are the one who has made the guilt by association argument, only against Bonds. Just a reminder:

[color=#282828]"[/color][s]Bonds[/s][color=#282828] [/color][u]Tiger [/u][color=#282828]got caught up in the [/color][s]BALCO[/s][color=#282828] [/color][u][color=#333333]Anthony Galea [/color][/u][color=#282828]scandal because there was concrete evidence that the [/color][s]facility[/s][color=#282828] [/color][u]doctor [/u][color=#282828]he was involved with was supplying PEDs to several [/color][s]baseball players[/s][color=#282828] [/color][u]athletes[/u][color=#282828]." [/color]
[/quote]

Oh, please.

Save that nonsense for someone who is actually dumb enough to fall for it.

What you are doing is a classic propaganda ploy. Its called "Throwing it out there and letting the audience connect the dots."

You frame the issue and present information so that you basically lead the (uncritical) audience to draw the conclusion you want, without having to state it explicitly.

If you didn't want people to reach that conclusion, you wouldn't still be hammering away at after nearly 2 dozen posts.

You still can't fiat your way past this undeniable truth: [i][b]There are NO CREDIBLE accusations against Woods, and NO EVIDENCE. [/b][/i]

[i][b]You've got NOTHING. [/b][/i]

[kellygreen]

[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1400884809' post='9356645']
Reading all of the speculative at best evidence convicting Woods by many in this thread, makes me wonder if this is the way juries must conclude guilt or innocence, too. If it is, I am not at all surprised by the number of people who are now receiving new trials and winning appeals after having been wrongfully convicted and incarcerated. Or worse.
Show us hard evidence or keep it to yourselves. Otherwise you are nothing more than mere gossip mongers........
[/quote]

Sadly, this is PRECISELY the manner in which some people go about deciding guilt or innocence.

There is a personality type who has a tendency to accept arguments---no matter how faulty the reasoning in getting there---if they like the conclusion, or if that conclusion reinforces their worldview.

[Mcnulty]

I've skipped a bunch of pages so forgive me if this has been asked. But was the alleged PED use before it was illegal in the PGA, or has it always been illegal. Not sure of the golf rules.

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='Mcnulty' timestamp='1401193739' post='9373007']
I've skipped a bunch of pages so forgive me if this has been asked. But was the alleged PED use before it was illegal in the PGA, or has it always been illegal. Not sure of the golf rules.
[/quote]The Current PGA Drug/Anti-Doping Policy was enacted in 2008-09.

Simply put, it's a joke, with more loopholes than you could imagine.

Their lone sacrificial lamb was some poor b*stard named Doug Barron who, in November of '09 was "caught" weaning off of legally prescribed beta-blockers and testosterone, all legally prescribed and monitored, though the PGA doc said that Barron weaned off of the testosterone "too slowly," according to medical/journal case data, LMAO. You don't have to be a physician to realize that these numbers are an average, not in concrete, and certainly not black and white, and while Barron did take longer than the "average," he was well within the mean and certainly not an "outlier."

He had adverse reactions, so his personal physician "slowed down"(spread it out) his tapering off of the meds.What was funny, if it wasn't so pathetic, is that if you had a photo line-up of suspects, whether it be Tiger, Adam(What's up with every guy that Stevie loops for endin up bein one of the most buffed guys on Tour, especially considering what they looked like pre-Stevie, LMAO...Just sayin ) or even the recently buffed Lee Westwood, and I AM NOT INFERRING ANYTHING, because I do not believe that any of them have "juiced," though writer D.G. DeWalt(HubPages) put the story out about Stevie, and I do find it amusing, however, you would never pick Barron, with his pencil arms and little pot belly, LMAO.

Oh well, it takes time and you have to be sure that you're doing the right things right, LMAO.

Have a great week Gals/Gents

Fairways & Greens My Friends,
Richard

[somaplr]

[quote name='JasonFL' timestamp='1400994608' post='9362861']
Im exactly tigers height and weight.... only he looks a solid 15 pounds heavier than me.

Ive seen him up close a few times and there is no way we are the same weight.

If I were a betting man I say he has done at least two cycles.
[/quote]

Muscle weighs more than fat, and Tiger isn't that muscular.

LOL, "one to two cycles" - you guys are killing me.

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='somaplr' timestamp='1401209902' post='9374603']
[quote name='JasonFL' timestamp='1400994608' post='9362861']
Im exactly tigers height and weight.... only he looks a solid 15 pounds heavier than me.

Ive seen him up close a few times and there is no way we are the same weight.

If I were a betting man I say he has done at least two cycles.
[/quote]

Muscle weighs more than fat, and Tiger isn't that muscular.

LOL, "one to two cycles" - you guys are killing me.
[/quote]LMAO, I think it's Harley & Beemer, lol

Have a good week

My Best,
Richard

[mwkbmw]

[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1400948122' post='9359993']

SNIP:

There is no group of professionals, physicians as a whole, and [s]surgeons[/s] [i]anesthesiologists [/i]in particular, where their tone of certainty soooooooo far exceeds their actual knowledge in areas outside of the professional knowledge and specialties. They are used to being the authority in the room, whether it be an operating room, an exam room or a bar room, lol, and they speak with the same tone of certainity, regardless of their locale or the topic, LMAO. Through osmosis, a physician can transfer their medical knowledge to any and all subjects. It really is amazing to watch, LMAO.

You weren't thin[color=#008000]K[/color]in[color=#008000]G[/color] of a certain WRXer, were you?

Fairways & Greens My Friends,
Richard
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