Kirkland Signature (Costco) golf balls (MERGED) (NO BST POSTS)

[soregongolfer]

> @storm319 said:

> > @soregongolfer said:

> > You can tell yourself whatever you want, but no company sits on a product that is selling so well.

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> You cannot compare a subscription based business model to a conventional retail business model.

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> > @soregongolfer said:

> > The fact that Pearl Golf is now selling the OG Kirkland says it all.

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> Pearl pages for the made in Korea balls (which points to Nassau as the factory of origin) were down within days of the comparison pic to the OG KSig dropping. I imagine that the reason for the disappearance is the same as to why Nassau is no longer making the OG KSig for Costco.

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> > @soregongolfer said:

> > Dean Snell made a comment and **that comment continues to be wrong to this day**.

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>** Last time I checked the OG KSig is not available to purchase from Costco today (and hasn't been for over a year), so I guess as of today he is not wrong?**

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> Attacking/piling on any site sponsor / OEM / industry insider that properly discloses and regularly contributes to the forums only hurts our community (excluding any proven shilling practices). This only deters future engagement and could potentially ruin a relationship between GolfWRX and a major OEM.

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> Now, lets get back to feedback from those who purchased the KP1 and speculation about what is coming next :)

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He was wrong as we saw the product again and again after his proclamation which had already been stated a few times.

 

[jpdx]

I don’t think that anyone would expect the og ksig to be around forever, so in that sense, anyone who is saying, says, or said that they ball wouldn’t be around, would be correct. It’s like me saying we’ve seen the last of the (insert your favorite golf ball here). eventually I’d be correct. It might not be true a year from now or even 2....but at some point it would be.

 

Fact is that we wouldn’t see it again, and we did. The reason is up for debate with no real evidence of why. And if someone knows the real story, they most likely couldn’t say anyways.

 

I’m any case, I’m probably going to buy a bunch of those 4a’s.

 

[PuttCurseRepeat]

Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

 

I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball, in general. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

[tennistim777]

> @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

>

> I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

 

I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

[monks66]

> @tennistim777 said:

> > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> >

> > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

>

> I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

 

Yes Dean is a business man, but dont you think there is pride in a product? All these years he was an Engineer behind the scenes, now he is the front runner....he has a ball with his name on it...he was the master behind the best ball ever made?? Ummm Pro v1

[cristphoto]

I may be wrong but didn’t the Strata come before the Prov1 and the Revolution come before the Professional? If so then he may have designed two great Titleist (and later Taylor Made) balls but didn’t invent a urethane ball(s).

[trackcoach13]

> @cristphoto said:

> I may be wrong but didn’t the Strata come before the Prov1 and the Revolution come before the Professional? If so then he may have designed two great Titleist (and later Taylor Made) balls but didn’t invent a urethane ball(s).

 

Yes Strata was first back around 1995.

[grm24]

> @cristphoto said:

> I may be wrong but didn’t the Strata come before the Prov1 and the Revolution come before the Professional? If so then he may have designed two great Titleist (and later Taylor Made) balls but didn’t invent a urethane ball(s).

 

The Professional came out in 1994. Was the Revolution even out then? I recall playing the Revlolution more in the late 90's to 2000 Maybe @storm319 can chime in.

[tennistim777]

> @ShankLife said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > >

> > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> >

> > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

>

> Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

>

 

....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

[tennistim777]

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[trackcoach13]

> @tennistim777 said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > >

> > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > >

> > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > >

> >

> > ....and corporate greed is corrupt greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

>

> Meant to say, "corporate greed is "corporate" greed....don't see an edit button

 

Click the settings icon in the upper right corner of your post.

[tennistim777]

> @trackcoach13 said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > >

> > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > >

> > >

> > > ....and corporate greed is corrupt greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> >

> > Meant to say, "corporate greed is "corporate" greed....don't see an edit button

>

> Click the settings icon in the upper right corner of your post.

 

Thank you. For some reason the gear is not showing in Mobile version. I had to change it to 'desk top' version and then the gear showed up to allow editing.

[trackcoach13]

> @tennistim777 said:

> > @trackcoach13 said:

> > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > > >

> > > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....and corporate greed is corrupt greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> > >

> > > Meant to say, "corporate greed is "corporate" greed....don't see an edit button

> >

> > Click the settings icon in the upper right corner of your post.

>

> Thank you. For some reason the gear is not showing in Mobile version. I had to change it to 'desk top' version and then the gear showed up to allow editing.

 

Your Welcome.

[tennistim777]

> @ShankLife said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > >

> > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > >

> > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > >

> >

> > ....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

>

> Corporate greed? Dean Snell makes a very quality ball at 66% of what the big dawgs charge at and product is just as good. Guy, if your wallet is holding you to playing a cheaper ball then so be it. I'll support golf companies. I'll support Kirkland too. Their gloves are great, but I didn't care for any of the balls they offer. @"Snell Golf" is a regular on these forums and I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about his product and pretty much the entire ball industry. The dude is a CEO and I'm sure he busted his **** to get his company up and running. All the CEOs and founders of companies I know basically kill themselves to get their success.

> Costco didn't do anything special here. They developed or bought a ball to make a buck and they were quite successful. Can't knock that.

> But I wouldn't say Dean is the cover page of a book for corporate greed.

 

Costco did do something special. They exposed the real cost of a quality golf ball. There's a reason they sell out within hours of releasing their 4-piece. The public has spoken. Trust me, GM doesn't build a car in Mexico because it's MORE expensive.....and certainly don't pass that cost savings onto the customer.....nor their employees for that matter if your monitoring the current strike.

[storm319]

> @grm24 said:

> > @cristphoto said:

> > I may be wrong but didn’t the Strata come before the Prov1 and the Revolution come before the Professional? If so then he may have designed two great Titleist (and later Taylor Made) balls but didn’t invent a urethane ball(s).

>

> The Professional came out in 1994. Was the Revolution even out then? I recall playing the Revlolution more in the late 90's to 2000 Maybe @storm319 can chime in.

 

Titleist Professional - 1994 - first cast thermoset urethane cover.

 

Top Flite Strata - 1996 - first multilayer solid core ball, cover material was “ZS Balata” which I assume is synthetic but not urethane.

 

Maxfli Revolution - 1997 - transitional design, larger solid core, thinner layer of rubber windings than a conventional wound ball, and urethane cover.

 

 

 

 

 

[tennistim777]

> @ShankLife said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > > >

> > > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> > >

> > > Corporate greed? Dean Snell makes a very quality ball at 66% of what the big dawgs charge at and product is just as good. Guy, if your wallet is holding you to playing a cheaper ball then so be it. I'll support golf companies. I'll support Kirkland too. Their gloves are great, but I didn't care for any of the balls they offer. @"Snell Golf" is a regular on these forums and I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about his product and pretty much the entire ball industry. The dude is a CEO and I'm sure he busted his **** to get his company up and running. All the CEOs and founders of companies I know basically kill themselves to get their success.

> > > Costco didn't do anything special here. They developed or bought a ball to make a buck and they were quite successful. Can't knock that.

> > > But I wouldn't say Dean is the cover page of a book for corporate greed.

> >

> > Costco did do something special. They exposed the real cost of a quality golf ball. There's a reason they sell out within hours of releasing their 4-piece. The public has spoken. Trust me, GM doesn't build a car in Mexico because it's MORE expensive.....and certainly don't pass that cost savings onto the customer.....nor their employees for that matter if your monitoring the current strike.

>

> Costco did nothing special. Let me heavily emphasize the word, "NOTHING". They bought a pre-existing ball, or design, in bulk with NO R&D costs, no internal quality checks, minimal logistics mapping and planning, absolutely no marketing, zero sponsorships towards players or any other being and put it up for sale. And by word of mouth, social media, and golf websites, it led to the extremely limited supplies they had being sold in a heartbeat. That isn't special at all. That's a quick buck. That is capitalism at it's finest. Or you might call it corporate greed. I'm gonna let you know something here, because you harped on corporate greed. Costco is at the heart of that, corporate greed.

> And I don't trust you. You just compared the golf industry to workers on strike from GM because of a car being made in Mexico. All credibility, gone.

> For the record, so we are clear. The price of balls it higher than it should be. But companies do that to themselves. **** sucks. Can't stand them.

 

Not sure I understand or agree with what I think your saying.....but I won't argue. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

[GoGoErky]

> @tennistim777 said:

> > @ShankLife said:

> > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> > > >

> > > > Corporate greed? Dean Snell makes a very quality ball at 66% of what the big dawgs charge at and product is just as good. Guy, if your wallet is holding you to playing a cheaper ball then so be it. I'll support golf companies. I'll support Kirkland too. Their gloves are great, but I didn't care for any of the balls they offer. @"Snell Golf" is a regular on these forums and I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about his product and pretty much the entire ball industry. The dude is a CEO and I'm sure he busted his **** to get his company up and running. All the CEOs and founders of companies I know basically kill themselves to get their success.

> > > > Costco didn't do anything special here. They developed or bought a ball to make a buck and they were quite successful. Can't knock that.

> > > > But I wouldn't say Dean is the cover page of a book for corporate greed.

> > >

> > > Costco did do something special. They exposed the real cost of a quality golf ball. There's a reason they sell out within hours of releasing their 4-piece. The public has spoken. Trust me, GM doesn't build a car in Mexico because it's MORE expensive.....and certainly don't pass that cost savings onto the customer.....nor their employees for that matter if your monitoring the current strike.

> >

> > Costco did nothing special. Let me heavily emphasize the word, "NOTHING". They bought a pre-existing ball, or design, in bulk with NO R&D costs, no internal quality checks, minimal logistics mapping and planning, absolutely no marketing, zero sponsorships towards players or any other being and put it up for sale. And by word of mouth, social media, and golf websites, it led to the extremely limited supplies they had being sold in a heartbeat. That isn't special at all. That's a quick buck. That is capitalism at it's finest. Or you might call it corporate greed. I'm gonna let you know something here, because you harped on corporate greed. Costco is at the heart of that, corporate greed.

> > And I don't trust you. You just compared the golf industry to workers on strike from GM because of a car being made in Mexico. All credibility, gone.

> > For the record, so we are clear. The price of balls it higher than it should be. But companies do that to themselves. **** sucks. Can't stand them.

>

> Not sure I understand or agree with what I think your saying.....but I won't argue. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

 

He saying Costco bought a ball from someone and resold it.

[PuttCurseRepeat]

> @ShankLife said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > > >

> > > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> > >

> > > Corporate greed? Dean Snell makes a very quality ball at 66% of what the big dawgs charge at and product is just as good. Guy, if your wallet is holding you to playing a cheaper ball then so be it. I'll support golf companies. I'll support Kirkland too. Their gloves are great, but I didn't care for any of the balls they offer. @"Snell Golf" is a regular on these forums and I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about his product and pretty much the entire ball industry. The dude is a CEO and I'm sure he busted his **** to get his company up and running. All the CEOs and founders of companies I know basically kill themselves to get their success.

> > > Costco didn't do anything special here. They developed or bought a ball to make a buck and they were quite successful. Can't knock that.

> > > But I wouldn't say Dean is the cover page of a book for corporate greed.

> >

> > Costco did do something special. They exposed the real cost of a quality golf ball. There's a reason they sell out within hours of releasing their 4-piece. The public has spoken. Trust me, GM doesn't build a car in Mexico because it's MORE expensive.....and certainly don't pass that cost savings onto the customer.....nor their employees for that matter if your monitoring the current strike.

>

> Costco did nothing special. Let me heavily emphasize the word, "NOTHING".

 

OP, I suggest that you change the title of this thread to "The NOTHING Special Thread".

 

 

[herbst20]

I played 18 holes for the 1st time using the Costco new 4 piece ball. My RTX4 wedges tore 5 covers.

[monks66]

its ashame, I really like the ball the couple holes I played with it, until cover was ripped, I like it feelwise better then OG K4

[chisag]

... While I still haven't experienced and cover splitting having played 2 dozen now, I have found that many of these KS Golds scuff and abrade a little more the other premium balls. At the $15 a dozen price it is something I can live with using it for practice rounds or some casual play. And of course being free makes it an even better practice ball.

 

... Performance is a different story. After playing and comparing, for me the TP5x is about 5-7 yds longer with woods and long irons and maybe a few even longer than that off the tee with my driver. Also a little shorter with mid and short irons. Trajectory is lower as well. And while they do not balloon, they spin more into the wind which can also be a problem. Otoh, green side spin is a little better than the TP5x. Clearly I am a player that benefits from the TP5x higher lunch and lower spin while those that can benefit from a little more spin might find the opposite. All in all still a very good ball for the price, especially if the spin and trajectory suit your style of play.

[Shilgy]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @tennistim777 said:

> > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > @ShankLife said:

> > > > > > > > @tennistim777 said:

> > > > > > > > > @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> > > > > > > > > Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco. That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have been best for him to avoid the subject.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I listened to his podcast. In my opinion, he comes across like a typical CEO who thinks he is owed something for the rest of his life because of the engineering he did for Titleist and Taylormade. He received a paycheck for that. Once he left, that's it. He needs to quit breaking his arm patting himself on his back. Companies copy other companies all the time in the business world, slightly changing nuances and calling it their own. Car companies, electronic and appliance businesses do the same. They ALL make a profit in the end. Costco makes most their profits through membership fees. I hope Costco comes back with a quality ball at a much more affordable price that will give corporate greed the axe in the golf ball industry.....JMO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Business is business, son. I don’t know you and I don’t know your background but I have a feeling that, if you gave something your all and someone came around on the back to shortcut the work and make the profits, you’d be a little pissed. Just a hair. But there is no evidence of Kirkland doing that, yet.

> > > > > > > Companies do take other companies ideas and change them to make their own. Yes. Sure. No kidding. A ball is a ball. A tee is a tee. An iron is an iron. Speed foam, microspheres, elastomer inserts, COR2 and all the other stuff that goes inside woods and irons are the same too though different chemical makeup.

> > > > > > > Again, what Kirkland did was probably take an existing design and make it their own. Like Dean said, patents are in place and can be acted on if infringed.

> > > > > > > The balls are worth the price but, I’d rather put it elsewhere.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....and corporate greed is corporate greed. You notice he answered every question in detail until asked about what is the lowest price a consumer should exspect to pay for a top tier golf ball? He starts laughing turning the question into a joke. M G S let him off the hook on that question. Costco has already answered that question....

> > > > >

> > > > > Corporate greed? Dean Snell makes a very quality ball at 66% of what the big dawgs charge at and product is just as good. Guy, if your wallet is holding you to playing a cheaper ball then so be it. I'll support golf companies. I'll support Kirkland too. Their gloves are great, but I didn't care for any of the balls they offer. @"Snell Golf" is a regular on these forums and I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about his product and pretty much the entire ball industry. The dude is a CEO and I'm sure he busted his **** to get his company up and running. All the CEOs and founders of companies I know basically kill themselves to get their success.

> > > > > Costco didn't do anything special here. They developed or bought a ball to make a buck and they were quite successful. Can't knock that.

> > > > > But I wouldn't say Dean is the cover page of a book for corporate greed.

> > > >

> > > > Costco did do something special. They exposed the real cost of a quality golf ball. There's a reason they sell out within hours of releasing their 4-piece. The public has spoken. Trust me, GM doesn't build a car in Mexico because it's MORE expensive.....and certainly don't pass that cost savings onto the customer.....nor their employees for that matter if your monitoring the current strike.

> > >

> > > Costco did nothing special. Let me heavily emphasize the word, "NOTHING". They bought a pre-existing ball, or design, in bulk with NO R&D costs, no internal quality checks, minimal logistics mapping and planning, absolutely no marketing, zero sponsorships towards players or any other being and put it up for sale. And by word of mouth, social media, and golf websites, it led to the extremely limited supplies they had being sold in a heartbeat. That isn't special at all. That's a quick buck. That is capitalism at it's finest. Or you might call it corporate greed. I'm gonna let you know something here, because you harped on corporate greed. Costco is at the heart of that, corporate greed.

> > > And I don't trust you. You just compared the golf industry to workers on strike from GM because of a car being made in Mexico. All credibility, gone.

> > > For the record, so we are clear. The price of balls it higher than it should be. But companies do that to themselves. **** sucks. Can't stand them.

> >

> > Not sure I understand or agree with what I think your saying.....but I won't argue. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

>

> He saying Costco bought a ball from someone and resold it.

 

Is that not what they did? Did they “create” the original Ksig?

[cane700]

I haven't been on the forum in a while. Is Titleist out of business yet?

[snagy2000]

> @cane700 said:

> I haven't been on the forum in a while. Is Titleist out of business yet?

 

With quality comments like this, many within this thread hope you would stay gone forever... #StayOnTopic

[RSinSG]

> @snagy2000 said:

> > @cane700 said:

> > I haven't been on the forum in a while. Is Titleist out of business yet?

>

> With quality comments like this, many within this thread hope you would stay gone forever... #StayOnTopic

 

Comeon - that was funny.

[Philomathesq]

> @RSinSG said:

> > @snagy2000 said:

> > > @cane700 said:

> > > I haven't been on the forum in a while. Is Titleist out of business yet?

> >

> > With quality comments like this, many within this thread hope you would stay gone forever... #StayOnTopic

>

> Comeon - that was funny.

 

Only to those who have a sense of humor. :smiley:

[Nessism]

> @cane700 said:

> I haven't been on the forum in a while. Is Titleist out of business yet?

 

Here's to hoping...

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Philomathesq said:

> @DavePelz4,

>

> Sorry to rub it in, but:

>

>

>

> I have my own way of cooking these bad boys, but feel free to PM with any recipes/methods you use. :smile:

 

Sorry. But I just noticed. $85??? I’d there a hoof hidden under there somewhere ?

[Philomathesq]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Philomathesq said:

> > @DavePelz4,

> >

> > Sorry to rub it in, but:

> >

> >

> >

> > I have my own way of cooking these bad boys, but feel free to PM with any recipes/methods you use. :smile:

>

> Sorry. But I just noticed. $85??? I’d there a hoof hidden under there somewhere ?

 

Haha, no. But, Costco meat is worth every penny. Every. Penny.

[jpdx]

> @PuttCurseRepeat said:

> **Dean Snell may very well have known the amount of OG K-sigs alloted to Costco and the amounts remaining at the factory earmarked for Costco.** That information may have been the basis for his statement that we wouldn't see the ball again and perhaps there was still a number of units remaining in Costco's distribution pipeline, unbeknownst to Snell. In retrospect, it probably would have **been best for him to avoid the subject.**

>

> I agree with storm319 that the golfwrx community is fortunate to have an active member with the knowledge and experience of Dean Snell. I've read much of his input here with interest and come away with a greater understanding of the golf ball. In regards to the K-sig though, Dean Snell has been very selective with what he discloses. There are probably several good reasons for this. But his somewhat cryptic input has led to much, often misguided, speculation. I think that's fine, for the rest of us to engage in that manner, but as a competitor presumably privy to more information, it might be better refrain until he's able, or willing, to provide a clearer picture of the situation.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Philomathesq said:

> > @DavePelz4,

> >

> > Sorry to rub it in, but:

> >

> >

> >

> > I have my own way of cooking these bad boys, but feel free to PM with any recipes/methods you use. :smile:

>

> Sorry. But I just noticed. $85??? I’d there a hoof hidden under there somewhere ?

 

it is also usda Prime. if you like beef/steaks....you know there's a pretty big difference in flavor and texture between prime and choice.