Mizuno MP-22

[2over]

I played MP-14 for 6 years starting in the 90's. MP-33s for 18 years. And I've had the MP-18 in the bag the last 3. I love the MP-18--and they are getting love from some of the tour guys like Ryan Moore. The MP-18 are slightly smaller than the MP-20 and a straight muscle back. I'm hoping the MP-22 goes back to that profile.

[starsail85]

Wouldn’t mind a smaller made 3-7 iron . The short irons 8-pw mp20 mb were perfect but the longer clubs were very big headed (felt great though)

[joeymack14]

Just heard that MP-22 will be coming in October and can start trying them in fittings probably in August

[chinaski]

On 3/12/2021 at 9:48 AM, QuigleyDU said:

The HMB is a solid and popular performer. It will not be going away.. The hollow body forged club is very in vogue at the moment. I would prefer they just put it on it a diet and streamlined it a bit. 

Yeah I was excited for that iron until I saw it in person. It is too chunky. They should learn from an iron like p770. Kinda like they streamlined the MMC from 18 to 20. 

[chinaski]

On 3/11/2021 at 9:09 PM, Foreleft said:

They better be special, Srixon threatens to eat into their share of the forged market.

 

Srixon is a direct competitor with the JPX line. Am excited to see their new MB whenever it comes out. I wish they would have kept those in same line though. 

[idontnoh]

18s > 20s for me but excited to see what they put out next

[CW13]

On 3/12/2021 at 10:55 AM, GHIN n Juice said:

I agree, it is the flavor of the month right now.  I just think it fits a bit better on the JPX line.  Those hollow body irons are more of a distance club and that’s always been the JPX line versus the more traditional mp offerings. 

 

The biggest selling point of the HMB is not that it’s hollow body, it’s that it looks exactly like a blade. It will never go to the JPX line. 

Although I get what you’re saying. I think changing the name away from Hot Metal (hot metal is synonymous with the JPX) to something more serious like Hollow Muscle Back HMB, Hollow Tour Blade HTB, etc; might give it a little more respect amongst the purists and get more to switch. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by CW13

[Foreleft]

3 hours ago, chinaski said:

 

Srixon is a direct competitor with the JPX line. Am excited to see their new MB whenever it comes out. I wish they would have kept those in same line though. 

 

I would think the z7 is a direct competitor to the MP line.

[alexmyx]

 

2 hours ago, Foreleft said:

 

I would think the z7 is a direct competitor to the MP line.

I think ZX7 is actually a direct competitor of JPX tour forged while z forged should be a direct competitor of MP blades.

[Poolparty]

When should we see the MP20 price drop?

[DatDude7984]

6 hours ago, idontnoh said:

18s > 20s for me but excited to see what they put out next

Youre honestly the first person I’ve heard say this. Now, i haven’t hit the 18s but the general consensus is the 20s copper underlay makes them the best feeling iron they’ve made in years. 
 

As for the hmb, my fitter pushed me hard on these hollow bodied blades. I currently game mp52 forged and i don’t like a bulky iron or much offset. His pitch was “you’re hitting this 6 iron 210”. That’s great for my ego but they are def distance irons. They look nice but I’m looking for consistency and workability in my short to mid irons. Went mb in 5-P snd Hmb in 3-4 with -2 degrees loft. Which will reduce offset and minimize bulky distance iron look. I wish they made the MMC in a 3 cause that’s the direction i would of gone in. My hope for the 22 models is the hollow body to be more refined and almost a players performance iron like the 770s and apex pros. 

[idontnoh]

2 hours ago, DatDude7984 said:

Youre honestly the first person I’ve heard say this. Now, i haven’t hit the 18s but the general consensus is the 20s copper underlay makes them the best feeling iron they’ve made in years. 
 

As for the hmb, my fitter pushed me hard on these hollow bodied blades. I currently game mp52 forged and i don’t like a bulky iron or much offset. His pitch was “you’re hitting this 6 iron 210”. That’s great for my ego but they are def distance irons. They look nice but I’m looking for consistency and workability in my short to mid irons. Went mb in 5-P snd Hmb in 3-4 with -2 degrees loft. Which will reduce offset and minimize bulky distance iron look. I wish they made the MMC in a 3 cause that’s the direction i would of gone in. My hope for the 22 models is the hollow body to be more refined and almost a players performance iron like the 770s and apex pros. 

Totally get that the 20s feel amazing but it came down to looks and not springing for another set of irons for me. Performance wise, I didn’t see a consistent enough gain in ballspeed to warrant a new set. On feel, it was the 20s feeling GREAT vs the 18s feeling great so I decided to stick with what I got. Now, if I can suddenly snag a set of head only 20s for a cheap price...

[TLUBulldogGolf]

22 hours ago, CW13 said:

 

The biggest selling point of the HMB is not that it’s hollow body, it’s that it looks exactly like a blade. It will never go to the JPX line. 

Although I get what you’re saying. I think changing the name away from Hot Metal (hot metal is synonymous with the JPX) to something more serious like Hollow Muscle Back HMB, Hollow Tour Blade HTB, etc; might give it a little more respect amongst the purists and get more to switch. 

 

I wish they did, then I would have no issue playing the 3 iron in one. Maybe the short and mid irons are a different story. They feel great but I'm not a fan of how the 3 iron looks. 

[QuigleyDU]

On 3/15/2021 at 5:39 AM, idontnoh said:

18s > 20s for me but excited to see what they put out next

I think I agree with this as well.. the 18s were special.

[carrier street]

22 hours ago, idontnoh said:

Totally get that the 20s feel amazing but it came down to looks and not springing for another set of irons for me. Performance wise, I didn’t see a consistent enough gain in ballspeed to warrant a new set. On feel, it was the 20s feeling GREAT vs the 18s feeling great so I decided to stick with what I got. Now, if I can suddenly snag a set of head only 20s for a cheap price...

 

Kind of the same boat here. I'd really like something that flights the ball a little lower, but I'm so in love with the way the 18s look at address and how they go through the dirt.

[oih]

I agree. They have lost their identity. MP should be pure traditionalists. There is a reason Casey is still playing the MP 5's. 

 

Their best irons were the MP 14/29/33/68/4/5. But it has been too long since the MP4/5 line to get a great set of blades. Look at Titleist. Their MB line has barely changed. 

 

From the MP 18 line and MP 20 they were major disappointments. Stick to the basics. MP line is for the pure muscle back player. Don't need cooper gimmicks. 

 

 

[speeder757]

Hopefully this year comes with a Thinner Topline. Mizuno seems addicted to thicker top lines lately 

[Florida Gator]

3 hours ago, speeder757 said:

Hopefully this year comes with a Thinner Topline. Mizuno seems addicted to thicker top lines lately 

Funny, I was damn near crucified for saying that I thought the MP-20 top line was too thick in another discussion...

 

I’m still on MP-5s, and I’ll probably stay there until wear the faces to the point that the ball won’t spin.  I use the 4I to 9I, use a Vokey 46 and currently a MP-H5 2 iron.  That 2 needs a replacement that is a slimmer profile for sure, probably this year.

[Skipperation]

15 hours ago, oih said:

I agree. They have lost their identity. MP should be pure traditionalists. There is a reason Casey is still playing the MP 5's. 

 

Their best irons were the MP 14/29/33/68/4/5. But it has been too long since the MP4/5 line to get a great set of blades. Look at Titleist. Their MB line has barely changed. 

 

From the MP 18 line and MP 20 they were major disappointments. Stick to the basics. MP line is for the pure muscle back player. Don't need cooper gimmicks. 

 

 

 

This seems abit of an odd comment given that the MP20 are basically a homage to the MP14 and MP29 (following on from the MP37) with the same basic muscle shape and copper underlay (many traditional chrome plated blades from yesteryear had a copper underlay to allow the chrome to adhere to the steel ratehr than the more common Nickel these days.). Also the MP29 in particular has quite a thick topline not dissimilar to the MP20, though I agree and admit (though I think it is a good thing) that the long irons are abit bigger. The MP29 long irons are very hard to hit, even for blades. The MP20 long irons look more like the TP19 (a good thing to me) but more rounded to my eye. The TP19 6-3 are probably my favourite long irons of any blade set ever. The short irons are just abit too 'old school Japanese' in style for me, bigger heads and too much offset.

 

It could be argued that the period between the MP33-MP4 they probably went away from a true blade the most with both head shapes and muscle designs at various points (MP32, MP68, MP5). The MP5 is far from a traditional blade with it's muscle design and the MP18 is probably as close to a traditional blade from a point of view of compact head shape and simple muscle design. I personally don't think any are 'bad' but they've experimented with shapes and CG positions and it seems the MP20 were the best received set they've had for quite along time both on tour and at retail so it seems to me like they're doing a pretty good job.

 

Titleist have experimented with designs alot too, it's just that the muscle has more often than not been straight or only slightly curved across the back other than the 695mb (actually my favourite set of theirs due to their forgiveness and squarer head shape at address). The head shapes and blade lengths have varied quite abit with some longer and lower and others more compact and higher, but as with Mizuno they've pivoted back abit trying to evoque the older favourites from an aesthetic point of view with the recent offerings more akin to the 680s at first glance but with tweaked offset and CG.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Skipperation

[budcangolf]

Everyone likes what they like but I can’t get the MP-20 MB out of my bag, like them MUCH better than the 18. The 20’s are in the running for best iron I’ve ever played and I’ve hit just about everything. To each their own though. Excited to see what the 22s look like and the changes they make. 

[The Mad Bomber]

5 hours ago, Florida Gator said:

Funny, I was damn near crucified for saying that I thought the MP-20 top line was too thick in another discussion...

 

I’m still on MP-5s, and I’ll probably stay there until wear the faces to the point that the ball won’t spin.  I use the 4I to 9I, use a Vokey 46 and currently a MP-H5 2 iron.  That 2 needs a replacement that is a slimmer profile for sure, probably this year.

Almost the exact same boat. MP-5 4-9, Vokey 47° and a T-MB deuce. 
 

Just reading through this thread inspired me to have a look at some of those places that will restore your irons. At $50/head, I’m just gonna get my MP5’s restored and forget about the new line.

[B_of_H]

I will be buying new irons next Winter and most likely the MP22.  I would like the blades to match up a little better with the mmc if I split the set at the 7 iron.  I think the lofts/offset specs as they are right now are perfect.  (for those of you who might not know the offset and lofts are all identical on the mp line.  if you bend a blade 1* strong and an mmc 1* weak the offset/loft of each club is the same by design).  Not having the sc is fine for me but as long as we are making wishes I would like an MMC that is a little more compact so it matches up better.  That being said the mp20 is perfectly fine as it is at the end of the day for me.  Put me down for the mp22 mmc 5-7 and mp22 8-PW with a possible HMB 4 iron for January 2022.  thanks.  

[TLUBulldogGolf]

These comments kind of surprise me as I think the MP-20s are a great club, and I don't think I'd call the MP-5 a classic blade. It has a shaped muscle akin to the MP-69s or similar to tweak CG, along with higher offset than the MP-20s. That's probably why Casey sticks with them (plus the fact that he can). I can see the comments about head size but they are extremely playable for a blade while having very low offset and great feel. 

[oih]

5 hours ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

These comments kind of surprise me as I think the MP-20s are a great club, and I don't think I'd call the MP-5 a classic blade. It has a shaped muscle akin to the MP-69s or similar to tweak CG, along with higher offset than the MP-20s. That's probably why Casey sticks with them (plus the fact that he can). I can see the comments about head size but they are extremely playable for a blade while having very low offset and great feel. 

Not one tour member of relevance is playing the MP 20 line or the MP 18 line. More play the Mp 4 and Mp5. Casey, Singh, Vargas, etc. Sure there maybe a player that plays the Mp 20 but never heard of him

 

The satin finish from chrome was a big difference. The engineers love this rounded toe and thick topline look and it is not a pure blade. I get the engineering for a thicker topline for better feel but the feel is good enough. Not what a MP blade should look like. Look at Tileist MBs. Thinner topline and squarer toe. Even Ping has a squarer toe.  I've had the Mp 29's and I've seen the evolution of Mizuno and they are coming up with different ideas every year. At a certain point you have to be evolutionary not revolutionary. 

 

 

[FOOTJOY16]

2 hours ago, oih said:

Not one tour member of relevance is playing the MP 20 line or the MP 18 line. More play the Mp 4 and Mp5. Casey, Singh, Vargas, etc. Sure there maybe a player that plays the Mp 20 but never heard of him

 

The satin finish from chrome was a big difference. The engineers love this rounded toe and thick topline look and it is not a pure blade. I get the engineering for a thicker topline for better feel but the feel is good enough. Not what a MP blade should look like. Look at Tileist MBs. Thinner topline and squarer toe. Even Ping has a squarer toe.  I've had the Mp 29's and I've seen the evolution of Mizuno and they are coming up with different ideas every year. At a certain point you have to be evolutionary not revolutionary. 

 

 

I'm sure people have heard of Justin Rose.. unless he just switched they were in his bag. .Keith Mitchell as well.. not sure who this Vargas is you are talking about.. for sure have not heard of him..I will agree with MP4.. fantastic irons

Edited March 18, 2021 by FOOTJOY16

[drbonesvt]

On 3/11/2021 at 10:53 AM, Rory4Pres said:

You guys talk about the Mp5's like they are a dinosaur.  I'm rocking the mp64's with mp32's as backups.  No plans to change despite everything else in my bag changing quite often.

Mp64 😍

[Poolparty]

On 3/15/2021 at 3:30 PM, DatDude7984 said:

Youre honestly the first person I’ve heard say this. Now, i haven’t hit the 18s but the general consensus is the 20s copper underlay makes them the best feeling iron they’ve made in years. 
 

As for the hmb, my fitter pushed me hard on these hollow bodied blades. I currently game mp52 forged and i don’t like a bulky iron or much offset. His pitch was “you’re hitting this 6 iron 210”. That’s great for my ego but they are def distance irons. They look nice but I’m looking for consistency and workability in my short to mid irons. Went mb in 5-P snd Hmb in 3-4 with -2 degrees loft. Which will reduce offset and minimize bulky distance iron look. I wish they made the MMC in a 3 cause that’s the direction i would of gone in. My hope for the 22 models is the hollow body to be more refined and almost a players performance iron like the 770s and apex pros. 

 

Saw a MMC 3 iron on the ebay. Think its fake

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mizuno-MP20-MMC-3-Iron-Single-Club-NS-Pro-Modus-Stiff-Steel-Shaft/284223013524?hash=item422d030294:g:vzkAAOSwH1JgUf2x

 

Now that I think of it I saw a full 3-P set of blades that didn't pass the smell test either

Edited March 18, 2021 by Poolparty

[Poolparty]

8 hours ago, B_of_H said:

I will be buying new irons next Winter and most likely the MP22.  I would like the blades to match up a little better with the mmc if I split the set at the 7 iron.  I think the lofts/offset specs as they are right now are perfect.  (for those of you who might not know the offset and lofts are all identical on the mp line.  if you bend a blade 1* strong and an mmc 1* weak the offset/loft of each club is the same by design).  Not having the sc is fine for me but as long as we are making wishes I would like an MMC that is a little more compact so it matches up better.  That being said the mp20 is perfectly fine as it is at the end of the day for me.  Put me down for the mp22 mmc 5-7 and mp22 8-PW with a possible HMB 4 iron for January 2022.  thanks.  

I love the MP20. I was thinking of going strong a degree on the 7-PW blades, weak on on the 6 iron MMC, and strong one on the 4 iron MMC for a full set w 4 degree gaps

[Nic1972]

5 hours ago, FOOTJOY16 said:

I'm sure people have heard of Justin Rose.. unless he just switched they were in his bag. .Keith Mitchell as well.. not sure who this Vargas is you are talking about.. for sure have not heard of him..I will agree with MP4.. fantastic irons

Luke Donalds is also playing the MP20. I think Vegas has now Titleist MBs in the bag, but not sure. And I am playing a MP18 combo....

[TLUBulldogGolf]

12 hours ago, oih said:

Not one tour member of relevance is playing the MP 20 line or the MP 18 line. More play the Mp 4 and Mp5. Casey, Singh, Vargas, etc. Sure there maybe a player that plays the Mp 20 but never heard of him

 

The satin finish from chrome was a big difference. The engineers love this rounded toe and thick topline look and it is not a pure blade. I get the engineering for a thicker topline for better feel but the feel is good enough. Not what a MP blade should look like. Look at Tileist MBs. Thinner topline and squarer toe. Even Ping has a squarer toe.  I've had the Mp 29's and I've seen the evolution of Mizuno and they are coming up with different ideas every year. At a certain point you have to be evolutionary not revolutionary. 

 

 

 

Keith Mitchell is playing them, Justin Rose recently put a set in. They simply don't have a big tour presence. 

 

Mizuno has pretty much always been a more rounded toe in their blades. I've played 33s, 37s, 67s, 68s, 69s and I'm just not seeing this huge divergence from pure blade in the 20s. Although I would agree that Ping pretty much nailed it with the Blueprints, just wish they didn't cost so much. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by TLUBulldogGolf