LIV with some big money announcements (*** TOPIC MODERATED ***)

[oikos1]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

Just amazing to me that some folks here and on social media would actually be ecstatic if the PGA Tour folded in favor of the SGL or if the talent was diluted to a point where neither league was competitive. Makes you wonder if they were somehow wronged by the PGA Tour or are actually getting paid by the SGL ... since we all know that social media bots are getting paid these days to disrupt, I'm going with the latter.

I get the impression that most who aren't threatened by the existence of the LIV Tour are disappointed in how the PGA Tour has handled the situation.  Suspending/banning/whatever you want to call it players was the dumbest thing the PGA Tour could have done.  We will continue to learn more about the Tour leadership as time goes on, but I have said multiple times I think this whole endeavor should ultimately improve the PGA Tour.

 

It's the anti-LIV crowd who seems to think it's the end of the world (even though the claim is every player who has left the PGA Tour is washed up)🤣🤣🤣

Edited July 25, 2022 by oikos1

[ChipStrokes]

14 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

That's not how you use "drop the mic" Greg, nor are you supposed to actual say it out loud unironically. That's about the level of pop culture literacy I would expect from a rich 67 y/o though. 😆

“one hundred percent. not even a cap!”

[Ezgolfer]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

Just amazing to me that some folks here and on social media would actually be ecstatic if the PGA Tour folded in favor of the SGL or if the talent was diluted to a point where neither league was competitive. Makes you wonder if they were somehow wronged by the PGA Tour or are actually getting paid by the SGL ... since we all know that social media bots are getting paid these days to disrupt, I'm going with the latter.

I wonder if these guys are burnt out wanna be tour players who did not make it and have grudge against the tour…

[aenemated]

33 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

That's not how you use "drop the mic" Greg, nor are you supposed to actual say it out loud unironically. That's about the level of pop culture literacy I would expect from a rich 67 y/o though. 😆

 

Haha see my prior "How do you do, fellow kids?" post 😂

 

[stinger_gc]

I think LIV has a good chance to do something innovative if they dump Norman and made a few tweaks. Personally I have nothing against LIV and support new concepts but Norman's yapping will destroy LIV from within

[mitchl]

18 minutes ago, KizIsTheMan said:

I think LIV has a good chance to do something innovative if they dump Norman and made a few tweaks. Personally I have nothing against LIV and support new concepts but Norman's yapping will destroy LIV from within

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

[mitchl]

4 hours ago, Gregakin said:

GN doesn't know what the PGAT is doing behind the scene. They also have ties with SA PIF and deep relationships with oligarchs, which GN knows nothing about.  Hey GN, don't expect JM to show his cards 😑

Interesting - so at some point, JM might go to the PIF fund board directly, or perhaps send a couple like Tiger and Jack to go say - we really want to see if we can work this out ... but we can't do that if GN is leading your group.   Makes you wonder how long GN would keep his position in that case.

[N8dogg2669]

3 minutes ago, mitchl said:

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

the golf media is going to make this a controversy no matter what. Their $$$ with the PGAT is at stake here also. 

[Nixhex524]

2 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

Just amazing to me that some folks here and on social media would actually be ecstatic if the PGA Tour folded in favor of the SGL or if the talent was diluted to a point where neither league was competitive. Makes you wonder if they were somehow wronged by the PGA Tour or are actually getting paid by the SGL ... since we all know that social media bots are getting paid these days to disrupt, I'm going with the latter.

 

Ecstatic?  I don't know where you get that idea from, seems like quite a leap, but ok....

 

I just don't see why so many are emotionally invested in this.  It's entertainment at the end of the day and there will still be golf to watch, never mind the actual getting off the couch to go play part.

 

On a side note, it's a sad state we are in when we need to convince ourselves that those who disagree with us are "bots".  Fun times.

[bighitlama]

23 minutes ago, mitchl said:

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

 

I'll make a prediction about his disruption of the Ryder Cup.   The US dominated the 2021 Ryder Cup 19-9.   Since then the Euros have lost 4 players from that team to LIV and their captain.   I don't know how bad the US will beat them next year, but it could be even worse.   If it is, how long do you think it will take Norman to post his LIV team.   DJ, Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Garcia, Poulter, Mickelson, Wolff and who ever else has arrived at that point.   Along with the post will be... PGAT if you want competition, the LIV team is ready.   The fans deserve real competition, bring it on if your not afraid of us!

 

Obviously the PGAT would come up with some creative nonsense as why they wouldn't meet the challenge, but the damage would be done with the fans at that point.

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, KizIsTheMan said:

I think LIV has a good chance to do something innovative if they dump Norman and made a few tweaks. Personally I have nothing against LIV and support new concepts but Norman's yapping will destroy LIV from within

 

57 minutes ago, mitchl said:

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

That's the other interesting angle; at what point does Greg's agenda/ego start conflicting with that leadership wants, and is that impasse. Because if Greg's ultimate goal is just to sit atop a throne of foreign capital and wag his unevenly tanned willy at the PGA Tour then I reckon that will get old for all parties involved. 😆

[Titleist99]

58 minutes ago, mitchl said:

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

I guess in GN mind.....if he destroys the Ryder Cup.... player will have one less reason to stay on the PGATOUR.

[oikos1]

 

1 hour ago, Titleist99 said:

I guess in GN mind.....if he destroys the Ryder Cup.... player will have one less reason to stay on the PGATOUR.

How exactly is GN going to "destroy" the Ryder Cup.  There's what,  five USA Ryder Cup past players, six euro Ryder Cup past players (some of them known for their legendary RC play) and the recently booted Euro Captain who have already joined the LIV Tour.  For some odd reason, all of these players are considered "washed up".  Only a guess, but it seems the money is more important than an every two year silly season event. Gasp!

 

Norman most likely gives no concern to the Ryder Cup in regards to recruiting players.  LIV Tour would probably encourage their players, if selected, to play in the Ryder Cup.

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by oikos1

[theodoreb]

On 7/23/2022 at 8:02 AM, Ghost of Snead said:

 

If it's news, you must have a link for it. 

 

 

The only way to rate the top 48 players is the OWGR. By the end of the year and certainly into next year, none of the defectors will be in the top 48.

Exactly why the owgr will be a joke. You can’t give points to one group and not the other and say the group with more points is better. You either need to give points to all and see where the Liv guys shake out.

[theodoreb]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:37 AM, Titleist99 said:

LOL!......On the grounds that all the Major Tournaments will site or should site "Team54 Exhibition Series is not good for the game of golf"  ........IMO

 

Totally not in good standing with any tour......which will become a criteria.

They will be in good standing with the Liv tour, oh yeah, you don’t like that one so we won’t count it.

[theodoreb]

On 7/23/2022 at 6:56 PM, jdl said:

Someone tell CBS, NBC and ESPN because they just forked over a bunch of money.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-announces-nine-year-media-deals-with-cbs-nbc-and-espn

Before liv got going. I know a few folks in the biz and those networks are looking for ways to pair down some of those commitments with a “strength of field clause”

[theodoreb]

10 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Enjoy the circus - will it be more enjoyable than some of the PGA Tour's premier events ? 

If the pga tour continue to ban players and they need to use filler KFT players, yes liv will be more enjoyable.

[avrag]

6 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

Just amazing to me that some folks here and on social media would actually be ecstatic if the PGA Tour folded in favor of the SGL or if the talent was diluted to a point where neither league was competitive. Makes you wonder if they were somehow wronged by the PGA Tour or are actually getting paid by the SGL ... since we all know that social media bots are getting paid these days to disrupt, I'm going with the latter.

The only people I see, who are certainly getting paid for what they write and say publicly are those in the media, who constantly hammer expressions like "rebels", "renegades", "defectors" and "Saudi blood money" into people's brains. These are people who work for media outlets which have contracts with the PGA Tour and which have dominated public opinion from day one.

Edited July 25, 2022 by avrag
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[lowheel]

6 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

Just amazing to me that some folks here and on social media would actually be ecstatic if the PGA Tour folded in favor of the SGL or if the talent was diluted to a point where neither league was competitive. Makes you wonder if they were somehow wronged by the PGA Tour or are actually getting paid by the SGL ... since we all know that social media bots are getting paid these days to disrupt, I'm going with the latter.

This kind of over the top exaggerating and generalizing is the problem. Find one post/poster here that wants the PGA tour to fold. The PGA tour will be just fine and in the end the better for it. There are multiple tours around the world all playing at once with no issues. When the adults in charge of the PGA finally realize LIV is literally just another tour with deeper pockets offering a different style of golf, theyll realize the prudent thing to do is to negotiate with their players and LIV and workout an agreement. Ernie Els had a great suggestion about the PGA working something out with LIV and the euro tour to schedule events that dont conflict with bigger events on both those tours and maybe more in the winter etc.... those are productive ideas. Its not the end of the world as many here are pretending it is. Im a huge fan of PGA tour golf but have a ton of suggestions to make it better. LIV needs a ton of work and tweaking as well. The more money available to players the more young people will gravitate to the sport.

[NoFancyUsername.]

3 hours ago, mitchl said:

You have to wonder if the Saudi's are as entertained by Norman as Norman entertains himself.   If the goal is sportswashing, isn't it to pour their money into sponsoring a league which doesn't garner a bunch of controversy, especially controversy caused by the guy running it?   Meanwhile, he's spending tens of millions to get an old guy who is ranked over #150 in the world, just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup.   

You must know more than what i know...."just so he can disrupt the Ryder Cup".....tell me that wasn't your imagination that came up with that story....only because every journalist north of Antarctica who can't think for himself keeps believing that very same thing. The world is such a small place.

[NoFancyUsername.]

7 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

I think Dufner's ship has sailed...

I think Tiger messed him up mentally. 

[Hankshank]

3 hours ago, Nixhex524 said:

 

I just don't see why so many are emotionally invested in this.  It's entertainment at the end of the day and there will still be golf to watch, never mind the actual getting off the couch to go play part.

Think this touches on something maybe important. What is the entertainment of tour golf? For sure, seeing guys making good golf shots, but way more the drama. The importance for the players of making results, to win. If you happened to see the last day of the DP tour Cazoo event on Hillside, you could really see how the play mattered, and Ramsay was absolutely overjoyed winning. That is a big part in what makes me pay for golf channels.
 

I think LIV has a real challenge making drama an ingredient. It should really hurt for a player not to win when in contention. Just a show for the money… that will Imho take away the interest in the sport, and if so, one wonder if the sheiks still see an interest in shuffling money on top players. 

[Righty to Lefty]

LPGA said they are willing to talk to LIV...it would be game changer if they bring the females on and have integrated tournaments and work with the LPGA instead of taking the PGA tour's mode of action which is obviously not working like they thought it would. With what they are paying DJ alone they would change the lives of so many females pros and their caddies overnight.    

[Short Pete]

12 hours ago, lowheel said:

Hilarious take, honestly Im impressed. Any competitor who joins an industry will disrupt things. You have strong opinions on what LIV does with their money but not the PGA tour. Whys that?

I don't know in detail what the PGA Tour does with their money. What I know ist that they organize THE Tour, they organize feeder tours, they support local charities with millions of dollars every year. They provide hundreds of professional players with an opportunity to play and earn a living. The best make it to the PGA Tour, if they play well they can make an awful lot of money there. If you keep your card for a few years you participate of the pension fund. But you have to deliver. And the players can choose which events they want to play, as long as they are playing enough of them.

 

LIV organizes a golf circus without any real new ideas. They even bought some clowns (Feherty and McCord). They disrupt the existing infrastructure without any ambition to build something better. They simply buy players and make them employees with an obscene salary. The employees cannot choose which of the events they play. The organizers don't care what they shoot, they paid them the biggest chunk beforehand. You can't qualify for this jamboree, Greg "invites" you with millions. Nobody cares how you show up, look at Mickelson. They simply try to buy star power away from the established system and pay the rich even more money. Norman finally can show the PGA Tour who has the longest wiener, sadly it's not his own, which makes this "tour" even more pathetic.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Short Pete

[aus10KC]

5 hours ago, bighitlama said:

 

I'll make a prediction about his disruption of the Ryder Cup.   The US dominated the 2021 Ryder Cup 19-9.   Since then the Euros have lost 4 players from that team to LIV and their captain.   I don't know how bad the US will beat them next year, but it could be even worse.   If it is, how long do you think it will take Norman to post his LIV team.   DJ, Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Garcia, Poulter, Mickelson, Wolff and who ever else has arrived at that point.   Along with the post will be... PGAT if you want competition, the LIV team is ready.   The fans deserve real competition, bring it on if your not afraid of us!

 

Obviously the PGAT would come up with some creative nonsense as why they wouldn't meet the challenge, but the damage would be done with the fans at that point.

 

Would any of those even qualify with points for the Ryder Cup?

[the bishop]

8 hours ago, tiderider said:

NEGATIVE ... 

 

for your information, wild turkey is NOT cheap swill and would therefore be out of place on the liv plane and at a liv event ... wild turkey 101, wild turkey rarebreed, and the various iterations of the russel's brand (the same mash bill as the wild turkey labels) are all at least above average bourbons, with rarebreed and certain russel's offerings among the best values in the bourbon world ... wt101 has managed to gain some type of cheap notoriety as college swill, when very few actually drank it in college ... regardless of the attachment of the whiskey to the holiday, it would not serve its purpose as evidence of superficiality of the liv tour and its players and events ... regular jack daniels or jim beam would be more proper, and more than sufficient for the pat perez's of the world ... 

 

 

I'm thinking more Rebel Yell.  The name is appropriate and the regular bottling is garbage.  Now Rebel Yell 10y.o. BiB, SiB is something altogether different.

[idrive]

6 hours ago, bighitlama said:

 

I'll make a prediction about his disruption of the Ryder Cup.   The US dominated the 2021 Ryder Cup 19-9.   Since then the Euros have lost 4 players from that team to LIV and their captain.   I don't know how bad the US will beat them next year, but it could be even worse.   If it is, how long do you think it will take Norman to post his LIV team.   DJ, Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Garcia, Poulter, Mickelson, Wolff and who ever else has arrived at that point.   Along with the post will be... PGAT if you want competition, the LIV team is ready.   The fans deserve real competition, bring it on if your not afraid of us!

 

Obviously the PGAT would come up with some creative nonsense as why they wouldn't meet the challenge, but the damage would be done with the fans at that point.

 

Yes,, but the players don't want to play. They want to stay home with their families.

 

9 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

Finau i would bet goes. The Summerhays connection players and local Scottsdale guys will convince him. I'd imagine he could get some decent coin from them.

 

If you knew the Summerhays family, you would know this is just the opposite. The sgl is the LAST entity they want to be associated with.

 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

9 hours ago, Nixhex524 said:

 

Ecstatic?  I don't know where you get that idea from, seems like quite a leap, but ok....

 

I just don't see why so many are emotionally invested in this.  It's entertainment at the end of the day and there will still be golf to watch, never mind the actual getting off the couch to go play part.

 

On a side note, it's a sad state we are in when we need to convince ourselves that those who disagree with us are "bots".  Fun times.

 

Since the Saudis are attempting to "sportwash" their reputation by paying exorbitant sums of money to professional golfers, it is not a big leap at all to say they are paying social media bots to extol their virtues and the the virtues of the LIV Tour on social media. I'm not accusing anyone here individually here but if the shoe fits, wear it. 

 

And before someone says bots are doing the same for the PGA Tour, explain how the PGA Tour who can't even seem to pay their players enough is willing to pay folks to promote and support a Tour that doesn't need to be propped up. 

    

    

Edited July 25, 2022 by Ghost of Snead

[jdl]

9 hours ago, bighitlama said:

 

I'll make a prediction about his disruption of the Ryder Cup.   The US dominated the 2021 Ryder Cup 19-9.   Since then the Euros have lost 4 players from that team to LIV and their captain.   I don't know how bad the US will beat them next year, but it could be even worse.   If it is, how long do you think it will take Norman to post his LIV team.   DJ, Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Garcia, Poulter, Mickelson, Wolff and who ever else has arrived at that point.   Along with the post will be... PGAT if you want competition, the LIV team is ready.   The fans deserve real competition, bring it on if your not afraid of us!

 

Obviously the PGAT would come up with some creative nonsense as why they wouldn't meet the challenge, but the damage would be done with the fans at that point.

Europe was likely to lose the Ryder Cup again regardless. Those 4 they lost were not likely to make the next team so the real damage was just forcing a new captain. And given those 4 are some of the better LIV players, that team wouldn't fare much better.

[jonsnow]

22 hours ago, idrive said:

Haven't been the biggest Keith Mitchell fan but I am now.

 

This tour pro is tired of LIV golfers denigrating the PGA Tour: 'It's so false' | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

The irony of a golfer decrying players leaving for LIV while wearing a "Rockefeller Capital" logo on his shirt. 

 

Regardless of my opinion, I always appreciate irony wherever it manifests...