Hoping for a New Job...Conclusion!!!!

[jholz]

The writing has been on the wall around my present shop for a long time. I already tried to flat out quit about two years ago...but they got me to soldier on through guilt and false promises of change.

 

We all know that didn't happen.

 

I started looking for a new job in earnest about three months ago. Started submitting applications about a month ago. 

 

I've submitted three legit applications and five or six "easy apply" nonsense applications in that time. I've received two interviews so far. That shows the market is good and my talent is needed. Hooray for me.

 

My most recent interview was for a kick a** position. It offers:

 

1. An opportunity to use all of my skills to do something cool.

2. A roughly 45% pay increase.

3. Three day a week in-office schedule.

 

The initial interview went well. The culminating statement was - "I'm going to need to speak to HR..." so that bodes well.

 

Holy crap....please pray for me. I don't care who or what you are praying to. Pray to a Krystal's grease trap...it's all good.

 

I really need to get this job. My kids deserve it.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by jholz

[Robert72]

And this is related to golf how?

 

EDIT:  (Oops, didn't notice what forum this was in)

Edited April 25, 2023 by Robert72

[ChipStrokes]

Just now, Robert72 said:

And this is related to golf how?

real nice. 

 

@jholz good luck buddy.  job hunts are rough. hope you get it and it’s everything you want. 

[jholz]

16 minutes ago, Robert72 said:

And this is related to golf how?

 

19th hole dude. Lots of other "golf focused" sub-forums out there. Feel free to peruse...

[L3fty]

Good luck! 

Just started a new job 3 weeks ago. Looking for a job is a full-time job in itself. 

Hope to hear some good news soon!

 

Jr. 

[MattM97]

Best of luck those 3 points you listed sound like a much better job than wherever you're at now. I'm kinda in the same boat a bit with my "career". 

[Soloman1]

1 hour ago, Robert72 said:

And this is related to golf how?

 

He gets to play more golf and buy new stuff, and posted it in the 19th hole - a catch all for many topics beyond golf?

 

I hope he gets the job. In a world filled with negativity, a little positive stuff is good.

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Robert72 said:

And this is related to golf how?

 

EDIT:  (Oops, didn't notice what forum this was in)

Oh man, never comfortable to have your foot that far down your throat! 😂 You forgot the “sorry” 😉 

[PJE]

Good luck man. 

2 hours ago, jholz said:

but they got me to soldier on through guilt and false promises of change.

This is tough. Anyone with an inherent work ethic feels a responsibility, and in some cases a twisted sense of debt, towards the employer.  You owe it to your employer to do your best and work hard. In exchange you are compensated. The reality is that you owe nothing other than trying to your job to the best of your ability. The organization will go on without you. The bottom line of all business is profit.  Corporate "good citizenship" is a falsehood. 

There's probably also a feeling of comfort and security at your job. 

If you have a boss or coworkers that you like, it's tough to leave. 

I hope it works out for you. 

 

[MtlJeff]

Good luck dude, hopefully you get that call soon!

 

I worked for a place some time ago that made a lot of promises in order to keep people they never intended to fulfill. You're making the right decisions and things will work out!

[Hawkeye77]

Hope it comes through!!! 

[Mitchell]

Best of luck and well wishes coming your way. Keep at it and proud of you for taking the step. As men, we often don’t take enough time to encourage each other- remember, negativity always comes from beneath you.  Keep doing the work you know fulfills your purpose and gets you where need to be- keep us posted as convenient. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by Mitchell

[bladehunter]

Positive prayers your way @jholz    ….. they’ll be getting a real gem.  The very idea of you starting elsewhere with better environment and 45% pay bump means you’ve been undervalued for a while.  And I’m not close to the guy who believes all employees are undervalued.   Some are grossly overvalued.  But that’s another topic. 
 

you’re putting yourself out there , so I’m confident that something good is coming.  If not this job , a better one.  

[jholz]

19 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Positive prayers your way @jholz    ….. they’ll be getting a real gem.  The very idea of you starting elsewhere with better environment and 45% pay bump means you’ve been undervalued for a while.  And I’m not close to the guy who believes all employees are undervalued.   Some are grossly overvalued.  But that’s another topic. 
 

you’re putting yourself out there , so I’m confident that something good is coming.  If not this job , a better one.  

 

Thank you senor! Extremely kind words.

 

I hope to hear something about this job soon!

 

If this opportunity doesn't pan out, I know there's another killer position out there. I have the skills to get it.

 

Appreciate your support!

Edited April 27, 2023 by jholz

[jholz]

On 4/26/2023 at 7:54 AM, MtlJeff said:

Good luck dude, hopefully you get that call soon!

 

I worked for a place some time ago that made a lot of promises in order to keep people they never intended to fulfill. You're making the right decisions and things will work out!

 

Really appreciate it! I figure it's worth the risk at the present time. The job market has never been better, and I got kids to feed - as well as golf equipment to purchase!

[ChipStrokes]

@jholz

 

checking in.  any updates on the new job?

[jholz]

1 minute ago, ChipStrokes said:

@jholz

 

checking in.  any updates on the new job?

 

Good lord man, I wish. Things seem to be moving very slowly these days with hiring processes. Haven't received news either way, and still have a number of applications out.

 

If not this job, something else will appear.

 

No one will be happier to post an outcome here when and if it finally happens. Just gotta be patient, I suppose.

[jholz]

Agh. Sorry for not following up on this. Shame has prevented me.

 

I didn't get the job I was interviewing for when I posted this. They sounded real positive - but then ghosted me. It took several emails and a direct call to get an answer out of them.

 

The answer was: "We don't know what we are going to do with this position right now." Ugh. f*** you. If you are that f***** up, I don't want to work for you anyway. All cool.

 

But, had a great interview today with another organization. And should have another with an alternate org in the next week or so.

 

All of these opportunities are offering more money and better working conditions. The job itself remains largely the same.

 

I'm just trying to remember that its a seller's market out there. People are desperate for competent help. One way or the other, I'm going to land on my feet.

 

Appreciate all the well wishes and concern folks. You all are awesome!

 

 

[IamMarkMac]

On 4/25/2023 at 6:10 PM, L3fty said:

Looking for a job is a full-time job in itself.

 

More true than ever. The high rates of layoffs in the last year make the situation even worse.
Many businesses try to get rid of employees, not to hire new ones.
 

But there is probably an opportunity for "crucial" jobs.
 

It's just that sometimes we don't search for jobs in the right place either.
For someone who is still looking for a job, you can use this link to find out all the nuances related to employment in the USA, and tricks to find a job faster.

A fatal mistake I used to make at the beginning is passively searching for a job. That is, I placed an announcement somewhere, or sent my CV, and waited.

When you are looking for a job, do it actively. Give proof of your skills before arriving at the interview, to stand out from the crowd who also applied for the same job.

Edited May 24, 2023 by IamMarkMac

[Soloman1]

On 5/18/2023 at 6:00 AM, IamMarkMac said:

 

More true than ever. The high rates of layoffs in the last year make the situation even worse.
Many businesses try to get rid of employees, not to hire new ones.
 

But there is probably an opportunity for "crucial" jobs

 

Soon after the layoffs, the same companies applied for thousands of H1 visas. That kind of flew under the radar.

 

It’s not that they don’t need someone, they just don’t want to pay you. CEO needs a new yacht.

[Jim53]

I realize you are talking about more Professional type jobs, but I have been trying to hire 2 or 3 Equipment techs for the last 3 years. We live in the poorest County in Florida and the former big Employer was the Phosphate Mines which have been in steady delcine for years. 

 

You would think it would be easy to find a fairly proficient person that can use hand tools and work on quite simple Equipment. Now it is mostly outside in the heat and humidity so not for the faint of heart, but my starting pay is now $25+ per hour with a great benefit package.

 

I can't even get people to apply, the ones that do come in (few and far between) are pitiful and expect much higher pay and tell us what they will and won't do. I had a guy come in with his hat on sideways and a hoodie on in the 90* heat and slumped in the chair in front of me, could not care less about getting a job, just needed something to put down on his paperwork to collect more checks.

[jholz]

20 minutes ago, Jim53 said:

I realize you are talking about more Professional type jobs, but I have been trying to hire 2 or 3 Equipment techs for the last 3 years. We live in the poorest County in Florida and the former big Employer was the Phosphate Mines which have been in steady delcine for years. 

 

You would think it would be easy to find a fairly proficient person that can use hand tools and work on quite simple Equipment. Now it is mostly outside in the heat and humidity so not for the faint of heart, but my starting pay is now $25+ per hour with a great benefit package.

 

I can't even get people to apply, the ones that do come in (few and far between) are pitiful and expect much higher pay and tell us what they will and won't do. I had a guy come in with his hat on sideways and a hoodie on in the 90* heat and slumped in the chair in front of me, could not care less about getting a job, just needed something to put down on his paperwork to collect more checks.

 

This seems to be the case across a lot of industries these days. Showing up on time and working a full day is a lot to ask, apparently.

I also see a ton of people just wandering about on Thursdays, apparently doing nothing, and I wonder how they support themselves.

 

In any event, I've got another interview coming up late next week. Good job. Good salary. I'm well into the process. We will see how it goes.

 

Just in case, there's two more applications in process behind this opportunity, so again, with continued applications, I know something will show up eventually. Folks are desperate for dependable workers.

[jholz]

Just wanted to provide an update. I'm sure many are waiting with baited breath to see where I land...

 

I must say that this has been one of the longest job searches I've ever experienced. I've got a good resume and have been working since the age of 8, so I know how to get a job. It's uncommon that I don't get an offer after the first couple of interviews.

 

Not the case this time around. I'm older now and applying for reasonably serious jobs, so I can understand that folks want to be  careful. You add post-COVID uncertainty into the mix and it makes sense.

 

I've applied for probably 12 jobs and got four initial interviews so far. Made it to the second round on all of them - except for one that remains outstanding. Looked real good for a couple of jobs, but no dice in the end.

 

Finally made it to the third round interview on a pretty solid job today. Roughly 40% raise, two days at home, and a solid, well respected company. The commute will mildly suck, but I think I can hack that for three days a week.

 

I've also got a pretty sure interview coming up with an organization where I have personal contacts. Plus waiting to hear back from another after the initial interview. I've got a contact there too, so I'm reasonably sure I will make the cut. I've kept those two in my back pocket.

 

Both of the pending interviews don't offer much of a pay bump however. One would offer a comparable salary, but would only require 4 days of work. The other would be a very small bump, but fully remote. I certainly wouldn't mind eliminating the wasted time, danger, and expense of driving to the office.

 

So, I'm kind of at the point where I'll take the first offer I get, but it usually works out that you get nothing for a long time, then all of a sudden, you've got three job offers.

 

If I have the luxury to choose, I think I'm going with the money this time. That would be a first. I'll take commuting three days a week for nearly double what I am making now.

 

What do y'all think?

 

 

[Soloman1]

Nothing wrong with money. Commutes, etc., are things you can do standing on your head if need be.

 

As the Rolling Stones said:

 

You don’t always get what you want,

but if you try sometime, you just may find

you get what you need.

 

Good luck.

[SBH9458]

1 hour ago, jholz said:

Just wanted to provide an update. I'm sure many are waiting with baited breath to see where I land...

 

I must say that this has been one of the longest job searches I've ever experienced. I've got a good resume and have been working since the age of 8, so I know how to get a job. It's uncommon that I don't get an offer after the first couple of interviews.

 

Not the case this time around. I'm older now and applying for reasonably serious jobs, so I can understand that folks want to be  careful. You add post-COVID uncertainty into the mix and it makes sense.

 

I've applied for probably 12 jobs and got four initial interviews so far. Made it to the second round on all of them - except for one that remains outstanding. Looked real good for a couple of jobs, but no dice in the end.

 

Finally made it to the third round interview on a pretty solid job today. Roughly 40% raise, two days at home, and a solid, well respected company. The commute will mildly suck, but I think I can hack that for three days a week.

 

I've also got a pretty sure interview coming up with an organization where I have personal contacts. Plus waiting to hear back from another after the initial interview. I've got a contact there too, so I'm reasonably sure I will make the cut. I've kept those two in my back pocket.

 

Both of the pending interviews don't offer much of a pay bump however. One would offer a comparable salary, but would only require 4 days of work. The other would be a very small bump, but fully remote. I certainly wouldn't mind eliminating the wasted time, danger, and expense of driving to the office.

 

So, I'm kind of at the point where I'll take the first offer I get, but it usually works out that you get nothing for a long time, then all of a sudden, you've got three job offers.

 

If I have the luxury to choose, I think I'm going with the money this time. That would be a first. I'll take commuting three days a week for nearly double what I am making now.

 

What do y'all think?

 

 

Good luck my man. You’ll know the right gig when you see it and the organization that is trying to grab you up. Hang tough. 

[Triple Lindy]

A 40% bump in salary would be amazing! That would be hard to turn down unless there are some serious red flags other than the commute.

 

Hang in there and good luck!

[jordan2240]

No idea how old you are or what types of jobs you are looking at, but "going for the money" could be a mistake if you will be miserable in the job.  But if it's tolerable or all the jobs are similar, then I'd definitely let the money decide.

[jholz]

Hey y'all, just wanted to let everyone know that I signed an offer letter today. They offered more money than I was anticipating.

 

And, @jordan2240 - yes, you are absolutely right. I suppose I was being a bit flippant about the "going for the money" thing.

 

I was deliberate and careful throughout my search to ensure philosophic alignment. I was very honest and up front concerning my own philosophy in every interview I've had - and I think it probably cost me a couple of job offers. But, I didn't want to work for those fools anyway.

 

So yeah, this new outfit is checking all of my boxes. Significantly more money. Better schedule. A cause I can write for. People I trust to do the right thing with the money I bring in.

 

It's always stressful and a bit melancholy to switch jobs. I'm going to miss a lot of the folks I work with - but I'm also very happy and excited to move on to a new chapter. It will be wonderful not to worry about applications and interviews!

 

I mean without the job search hanging over my head...I'm sure my scores on the course will improve! 😁

 

 

[TiScape]

23 hours ago, jholz said:

 

I mean without the job search hanging over my head...I'm sure my scores on the course will improve! 😁

 

 

Oh man! If golf worked like that I’d be on tour! 😂 

But seriously, congrats!🙌🏼 🎉

[jholz]

Hey @Robert72, @ChipStrokes, @L3fty, @MattM97, @Soloman1, @TiScape, @PJE, @MtlJeff, @Hawkeye77, @Mitchell, @bladehunter, @IamMarkMac, @Jim53, @SBH9458, @Triple Lindy, @jordan2240 

 

And of course @ThinkingPlus!

 

Sorry if I've missed anyone...

 

But, just wanted to say thanks for helping me through a difficult professional transition. I really appreciate the advice, well-wishes, and support that all of you have offered through the course of this thread.

 

As well as a bit of comic relief - I'm looking at you @Robert72!😁

 

But anyway...I know I was begging for some attention.

 

But, y'all responded with just what I needed - a bit of care and some thoughtfulness. It has meant a lot to me.

 

Thank you for your sincerity and concern. I really, really appreciate it.

 

You folks rule!