Can WRX start a new section for "Better Players" PLEEEEEASE (changed from Scratch)

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Barfolomew said:

>

> Yes I am a professional master debater..... i just don't get paid for it

 

Just curious, how much have you been offered to be a paid professional master debater?

 

Or is this a self-proclaimed title?

[tatertot]

> @Barfolomew said:

> You guys are lookin at it too riged.... There are no rules who can use it. Doesnt matter if you used to be a baller 20 years ago you still understand it and can give good advice or a single cap or whatever. Jack can contribute I think lol. Its just a sub forum where most of the sticks can talk stuff out and hacks can check in too no biggie like any forum on WRX.

>

> Doesnt have to be called scratch cause obviously some of you got stuck on that... call it the **Stick forum** for sticks lol...

>

> There is a huge difference what a really good player is doing on a course and a guy trying to keep it under 100. Bogey+ golfers are not even daring to play shots scratch golfers are. Like a back dangerous pin.....a good player has many options controlling spin, height, low draw or club up for wind etc... where others just happy to finally hit a green..... So Different and so are the topics!!

>

> b.helts gets it talkin crap out the gate and he cant even flight a driver haha.... the banter is even way different when its a 4 some of scratch goflers vs when chops are playin. That could be a topic in the new Stick forum lol!

 

We'll call it the "JonesScott Memorial Forum" ... You can personally vet every member to make sure they're not a chop and have enough stick qualities. And can flight a driver to an elevated fairway, of course.

[Gamble Gamble]

> @Barfolomew said:

> There are many questions and discussions myself and other scratch golfers would like to get into without the myriad of responses from players that shoot bogey+ golf..... If your a scratch then you know that opinions of bogey golfers dont hold much water and muddy up the conversation on the course or on WRX lol.... its strange but true how little 90+ scoring golfers opinions are not even listened to by better players.... its very rare they can tell you something you dont already know about

>

> example: I started a thread bout whether its advantageous to hit higher/lower to up/down sloping fairways and I realized the guys got stuck on the idea of hitting a flighted shot with driver lol and best to just hit stock shot.... haha its easy to flight a drive down and realized the audience wasnt good enough to discuss the idea... but if it was in a scratch section the right guys would of responded with insight..... I asked a similar question about playing from uneven lies about going with the slope or forcing your will on it for the flight you want and the discussion was useless cause of the ability of the players. Plus it would be a place where bogey+ golfers could ask a good player a question.

>

> I know Obee started that good thread for scratch golfers tourney results and thats great but can we get one section PLEASE..... or at least try it before you say no lol.... Thanks!!!!

 

lol - i thought this was a troll thread at first

 

 

[Barfolomew]

> @tatertot said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > You guys are lookin at it too riged.... There are no rules who can use it. Doesnt matter if you used to be a baller 20 years ago you still understand it and can give good advice or a single cap or whatever. Jack can contribute I think lol. Its just a sub forum where most of the sticks can talk stuff out and hacks can check in too no biggie like any forum on WRX.

> >

> > Doesnt have to be called scratch cause obviously some of you got stuck on that... call it the **Stick forum** for sticks lol...

> >

> > There is a huge difference what a really good player is doing on a course and a guy trying to keep it under 100. Bogey+ golfers are not even daring to play shots scratch golfers are. Like a back dangerous pin.....a good player has many options controlling spin, height, low draw or club up for wind etc... where others just happy to finally hit a green..... So Different and so are the topics!!

> >

> > b.helts gets it talkin crap out the gate and he cant even flight a driver haha.... the banter is even way different when its a 4 some of scratch goflers vs when chops are playin. That could be a topic in the new Stick forum lol!

>

> We'll call it the "JonesScott Memorial Forum" ... You can personally vet every member to make sure they're not a chop and have enough stick qualities. **And can flight a driver to an elevated fairway**, of course.

 

Call the sub forum JonesScottyBeamMeUp who cares.......but obviously you aint read JonesSquat cause you're still stuck (like your swing) on who's allowed to converse..... this aint 1973 east Berlin all may contribute and speak their mind.......there's no vetting, there's no guard at the gate like Augusta, everyone is welcome pull up a chair and get comfy but its where better players can post ideas knowing other good players are gonna be checking in but chops can too and ask better players questions too.

 

I bet you a set of those crazy new Epic Forged irons that the better players forum would be one of first spots a good player would go as soon as they jumped on WRX... you know its true! When I jump in General or other forums I'm starving for an interesting thread that is more advanced in nature and thats got some meat on the bone for good discussion and a forum specialized in that would spawn other great threads that were actually interesting and not another thread on what's the longest driver, or which clubs should fit me yada yada yada.... all drivers are limited by the COR .83 dummies and no manu is giving up yards to the next manu so its just which one fits you OMG!

 

WRX needs improvements here and there no biggie but here's a good idea. I've got lots of experience in other forums like my old slow pitch softball forum..... it was very interesting and members were tight nit meeting outside of the forum forming teams and making lots of friends.... I have many "real" friends from there and one of my best friends and scratch playing partner is from there.... WRX can be a little flat sometimes guys it need more threads that are interesting for better players cause that would be the first stop I'd make upon entering the site.... and it's imperative to keep WRX interesting to retain better players and keep them from getting bored and attracting new ones.

 

Flight a driver to an elevated fairway...... is that the smart play hmmm? .....stay tuned for the new sub forum when all secrets will be revealed

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @tatertot said:

> > > @Barfolomew said:

> > > You guys are lookin at it too riged.... There are no rules who can use it. Doesnt matter if you used to be a baller 20 years ago you still understand it and can give good advice or a single cap or whatever. Jack can contribute I think lol. Its just a sub forum where most of the sticks can talk stuff out and hacks can check in too no biggie like any forum on WRX.

> > >

> > > Doesnt have to be called scratch cause obviously some of you got stuck on that... call it the **Stick forum** for sticks lol...

> > >

> > > There is a huge difference what a really good player is doing on a course and a guy trying to keep it under 100. Bogey+ golfers are not even daring to play shots scratch golfers are. Like a back dangerous pin.....a good player has many options controlling spin, height, low draw or club up for wind etc... where others just happy to finally hit a green..... So Different and so are the topics!!

> > >

> > > b.helts gets it talkin crap out the gate and he cant even flight a driver haha.... the banter is even way different when its a 4 some of scratch goflers vs when chops are playin. That could be a topic in the new Stick forum lol!

> >

> > We'll call it the "JonesScott Memorial Forum" ... You can personally vet every member to make sure they're not a chop and have enough stick qualities. **And can flight a driver to an elevated fairway**, of course.

>

> Call the sub forum JonesScottyBeamMeUp who cares.......but obviously you aint read JonesSquat cause you're still stuck (like your swing) on who's allowed to converse..... this aint 1973 east Berlin all may contribute and speak their mind.......there's no vetting, there's no guard at the gate like Augusta, everyone is welcome pull up a chair and get comfy but its where better players can post ideas knowing other good players are gonna be checking in but chops can too and ask better players questions too.

>

> I bet you a set of those crazy new Epic Forged irons that the better players forum would be one of first spots a good player would go as soon as they jumped on WRX... you know its true! When I jump in General or other forums I'm starving for an interesting thread that is more advanced in nature and thats got some meat on the bone for good discussion and a forum specialized in that would spawn other great threads that were actually interesting and not another thread on what's the longest driver, or which clubs should fit me yada yada yada.... all drivers are limited by the COR .83 dummies and no manu is giving up yards to the next manu so its just which one fits you OMG!

>

> WRX needs improvements here and there no biggie but here's a good idea. I've got lots of experience in other forums like my old slow pitch softball forum..... it was very interesting and members were tight nit meeting outside of the forum forming teams and making lots of friends.... I have many "real" friends from there and one of my best friends and scratch playing partner is from there.... WRX can be a little flat sometimes guys it need more threads that are interesting for better players cause that would be the first stop I'd make upon entering the site.... and it's imperative to keep WRX interesting to retain better players and keep them from getting bored and attracting new ones.

>

> Flight a driver to an elevated fairway...... is that the smart play hmmm? .....stay tuned for the new sub forum when all secrets will be revealed

 

# HOLY STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS, BATMAN!!!

 

 

[gripandrip]

Wow. A lot of angst over a simple request. From what I can get from the request, it is a forum for better players. Better players would go there for discussions, non-scratch golfers could also go into the forum with the understanding that the topics are probably above the skill set they have, but all can learn from the answers. I'm a 3 handicap. I would definitely lurk there, as there are obviously better players at GOLFWRX that I could learn from. Would I post? Maybe a question about clarification of an issue or answer, but probably not to offer advice. I see no need to police against GHIN or anything. I'm sure that peer pressure and self policing will occur. :)

 

With that, I will put on my flame retardant suit.

[braincramp52]

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @tatertot said:

> > > @Barfolomew said:

> > > You guys are lookin at it too riged.... There are no rules who can use it. Doesnt matter if you used to be a baller 20 years ago you still understand it and can give good advice or a single cap or whatever. Jack can contribute I think lol. Its just a sub forum where most of the sticks can talk stuff out and hacks can check in too no biggie like any forum on WRX.

> > >

> > > Doesnt have to be called scratch cause obviously some of you got stuck on that... call it the **Stick forum** for sticks lol...

> > >

> > > There is a huge difference what a really good player is doing on a course and a guy trying to keep it under 100. Bogey+ golfers are not even daring to play shots scratch golfers are. Like a back dangerous pin.....a good player has many options controlling spin, height, low draw or club up for wind etc... where others just happy to finally hit a green..... So Different and so are the topics!!

> > >

> > > b.helts gets it talkin crap out the gate and he cant even flight a driver haha.... the banter is even way different when its a 4 some of scratch goflers vs when chops are playin. That could be a topic in the new Stick forum lol!

> >

> > We'll call it the "JonesScott Memorial Forum" ... You can personally vet every member to make sure they're not a chop and have enough stick qualities. **And can flight a driver to an elevated fairway**, of course.

>

> Call the sub forum JonesScottyBeamMeUp who cares.......but obviously you aint read JonesSquat cause you're still stuck (like your swing) on who's allowed to converse..... this aint 1973 east Berlin all may contribute and speak their mind.......there's no vetting, there's no guard at the gate like Augusta, everyone is welcome pull up a chair and get comfy but its where better players can post ideas knowing other good players are gonna be checking in but chops can too and ask better players questions too.

>

> I bet you a set of those crazy new Epic Forged irons that the better players forum would be one of first spots a good player would go as soon as they jumped on WRX... you know its true! When I jump in General or other forums I'm starving for an interesting thread that is more advanced in nature and thats got some meat on the bone for good discussion and a forum specialized in that would spawn other great threads that were actually interesting and not another thread on what's the longest driver, or which clubs should fit me yada yada yada.... all drivers are limited by the COR .83 dummies and no manu is giving up yards to the next manu so its just which one fits you OMG!

>

> WRX needs improvements here and there no biggie but here's a good idea. I've got lots of experience in other forums like my old slow pitch softball forum..... it was very interesting and members were tight nit meeting outside of the forum forming teams and making lots of friends.... I have many "real" friends from there and one of my best friends and scratch playing partner is from there.... WRX can be a little flat sometimes guys it need more threads that are interesting for better players cause that would be the first stop I'd make upon entering the site.... and it's imperative to keep WRX interesting to retain better players and keep them from getting bored and attracting new ones.

>

> Flight a driver to an elevated fairway...... is that the smart play hmmm? .....stay tuned for the new sub forum when all secrets will be revealed

 

Now that you've explained your idea a little more I will admit it's not a bad idea. At first it sounded very arrogant which kind of surprised me coming from you Barf.

[Scotty1140]

This thread is proof that such a concept will not work.

[JDCON]

This is Golfwrx. I thought everyone was a 0 to +3 handicap? It's all been a lie!

[RSinSG]

Claude Harmon - 3.4 hdcp

[Mudguard]

I've got no problem with it. However no GHIN handicaps. All scores attested too... Won't the World Handicap System be grand?

I wouldn't get in. Slid from scratch to six something in the past decade, but that's just life.

[Nixhex524]

I love the assumption that scratch golfers know more than anyone who isn't scratch.... With this logic, all PGA Tour coaches are better than the actual player they coach. Any truth to that?!

[b.helts]

Well a coach might well tell you how to hit a sawed off 9 iron to a back right pin but a player can tell you how to do it when you need to do it.

 

There’s a difference between knowing what to do and how to do it and actually doing it under pressure.

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @"b.helts" said:

> Well a coach might well tell you how to hit a sawed off 9 iron to a back right pin but a player can tell you how to do it when you need to do it.

>

> There’s a difference between knowing what to do and how to do it and actually doing it under pressure.

 

Tell that to Bob Rotella.

[Nessism]

Sounds like a great idea. The participants can talk about the merits of X7 shafts and "tour issue" shafts/clubs! And Titleist balls!

In all honesty now, I'm in favor. It's true that a + capper is playing a different game than a guy that shoots 90. You guys may as well have your own sub forum.

[P.E.]

I think it would be a great idea as well.

It would be wonderful and entertaining to read about 350 yard drives, 150 yard wedges, no alignment putting and 3 hour rounds in 1 sub forum.

[KAndyMan]

> @lawsonman said:

> > @LUMA said:

> > It’s pretty easy to tell a better player answering a question with experiences.

>

>

> Or a mid handicapper with 35 years of experience playing the game.

>

>

Kinda my question about the whole “GHIN references”

 

I have recently met an AMAZING guy at the local course. Hard to guess his age but id say mid 70s might even be in his 80s i really dont know or even care to bc either way he is an awesome guy and im very fortunate to have met him. He is hands down the best putter ive ever seen (and ive seen a “few” over the last 30 years in this game). Im talking he makes a good 60% of his putts from 20’, of the remaining 40%, 20% actually hit the hole but just dont drop and his “bad” putts usually miss by about an inch. I could watch this guy putt all day bc i still cannot wrap my head around how good he is. And im pretty sure everyone here on WRX might do the same. One of these days i might ask him if he will let me take a quick video just to put it up though i dont want to be too intrusive since ive only talked w/him a couple times.

 

Its obvious he got some serious game though due to his age he probably cant score nearly as low any more. So would his knowledge hold no weight since his GHIN prob isnt scratch?

 

I think the best solution is just like everything else on the internet. Take everything here with a grain if salt.

If you really really need an answer to a “complex” golf question id suggest get out of the house and make some new friends that are scratch or better to ask. Or ask your local pros. Most of those guys have some knowledge of the game.

[cxx]

It would probably be better to focus on competitive golf rather than handicaps. There is a big difference between casual golfers and those who compete in amateur or professional tournaments.

[nsxguy]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> How would WRX determine who is a scratch golfer and thus allowed to post in this proposed section? I hear you asking that only scratch or better would have the ability to post.

>

> Nice idea but sounds like an administrative headache at best. Let alone a lot of work with low rewards for the WRX administrators.

 

All they'd have to do is make the "Handicap" field in the profile mandatory and display it under one's avatar (as on the old board).

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > How would WRX determine who is a scratch golfer and thus allowed to post in this proposed section? I hear you asking that only scratch or better would have the ability to post.

> >

> > Nice idea but sounds like an administrative headache at best. Let alone a lot of work with low rewards for the WRX administrators.

>

> All they'd have to do is make the "Handicap" field in the profile mandatory and display it under one's avatar (as on the old board).

 

 

 

Ah, I didn’t realize the old board verified handicap via GHIN. When was that instituted?

[nsxguy]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > How would WRX determine who is a scratch golfer and thus allowed to post in this proposed section? I hear you asking that only scratch or better would have the ability to post.

> > >

> > > Nice idea but sounds like an administrative headache at best. Let alone a lot of work with low rewards for the WRX administrators.

> >

> > All they'd have to do is make the "Handicap" field in the profile mandatory and display it under one's avatar (as on the old board).

>

>

>

> Ah, I didn’t realize the old board verified handicap via GHIN. When was that instituted?

 

I don't recall saying they did. Now kindly go troll someone else.

 

TIA

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > How would WRX determine who is a scratch golfer and thus allowed to post in this proposed section? I hear you asking that only scratch or better would have the ability to post.

> >

> > Nice idea but sounds like an administrative headache at best. Let alone a lot of work with low rewards for the WRX administrators.

>

> All they'd have to do is make the "Handicap" field in the profile mandatory and display it under one's avatar (as on the old board).

 

> @nsxguy said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > How would WRX determine who is a scratch golfer and thus allowed to post in this proposed section? I hear you asking that only scratch or better would have the ability to post.

> > > >

> > > > Nice idea but sounds like an administrative headache at best. Let alone a lot of work with low rewards for the WRX administrators.

> > >

> > > All they'd have to do is make the "Handicap" field in the profile mandatory and display it under one's avatar (as on the old board).

> >

> >

> >

> > Ah, I didn’t realize the old board verified handicap via GHIN. When was that instituted?

>

> I don't recall saying they did. Now kindly go troll someone else.

>

> TIA

 

Not trolling.

 

My original point was that it would be an administrative headache to validate & police handicaps. I assumed that you quoting my post and then mentioning the old handicap field was meant to address what I'd said.

 

Obviously, I misunderstood. Apologies.

[morganmonroe]

What if a guy is scratch and he can't express himself clearly or punctuate? Would he be allowed to post too?

[SUPERG]

I mean maybe yea a section for better players would be nice. I do get tired of looking for a good thread and all I see is “which regular flex shaft will be good for my aging father in law, ps he has a budget of 25 bucks”

[braincramp52]

> @SUPERG said:

> I mean maybe yea a section for better players would be nice. I do get tired of looking for a good thread and all I see is “which regular flex shaft will be good for my aging father in law, ps he has a budget of 25 bucks”

 

There are many more threads that start " I average over 300 off the tee and my PW goes 155 but my short game sucks" threads than the one you mentioned.

[mukster]

 

I also feel strongly that we should have a "I'm a 16, but would be scratch if I could putt/chip/drive" etc. section. These guys would then not be allowed to comment in these sections on the specific problem that is preventing them from actually being scratch, as they obviously suck at in that one area of play. Mods would be expected to monitor the group and act swiftly if a member commented on part of the game that's holding him back. Scratch players would obviously be welcome.

Maybe with our great new forum software, we can create a badge for the guys in these exclusive new groups that they can show proudly in their profile.

[SUPERG]

> @lawsonman said:

> > @SUPERG said:

> > I mean maybe yea a section for better players would be nice. I do get tired of looking for a good thread and all I see is “which regular flex shaft will be good for my aging father in law, ps he has a budget of 25 bucks”

>

> There are many more threads that start " I average over 300 off the tee and my PW goes 155 but my short game sucks" threads than the one you mentioned.

 

Those are bad too! Just feel a lot of threads are super redundant and have fairly obvious answers.

[GoIrish17]

I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

[Barfolomew]

> @GoIrish17 said:

> I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

 

That's a lot of chaff..... a lot

 

It's not like it's hard...... push button push button push button Boooom new sub forum! wow that was easy

 

Think it should be called "Better Players" instead of "Scratch" even though it is in air quotes cause so many stuck on that label lol... anal retentive golfers be anal retentive golfers haha

 

 

[P.E.]

Why can't the scratch golfers simply start posts with the word "Elite" to identify how deep and significant the post is?

Responders to the posts could state their handicap in the first line so the readers could gauge the validity of the response.