2020 Masters tickets

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > >

> > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > >

> > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> >

> > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

>

>

> What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

 

By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

 

And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

[QuigleyDU]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > >

> > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > >

> > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > >

> > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> >

> >

> > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

>

> By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

>

> And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

 

I have never suggested that they can or should do anything.

[idrive]

What sucks is that people like me, that put in year after year after year.... that have going to the Masters as one of the few "bucket list" items I've yet to cross off and not being able to just but tickets but have to be selected randomly. I'm 0 for 14?

There are those that apply that do so in large contingencies that are only interested in selling them. If you're going to sell tickets they way they do IMO there should be a way, made a way to make sure the person(s) selected are the ones using them and not reselling them. Most likely impossible but it couldn't hurt to try and come up with something to eliminate the scalpers.

 

Back when I had season tickets to the AZ Cardinals I was able to purchase two superbowl tickets. One for each two season tickets you owned. Leaving the parking lot after picking the tickets up you couldn't get past the crowd of scalpers wanting to buy your tickets. Could have tripled my money and they still would have doubled theirs. Can't say it wasn't tempting....

[bladehunter]

> @idrive said:

> What sucks is that people like me, that put in year after year after year.... that have going to the Masters as one of the few "bucket list" items I've yet to cross off and not being able to just but tickets but have to be selected randomly. I'm 0 for 14?

> There are those that apply that do so in large contingencies that are only interested in selling them. If you're going to sell tickets they way they do IMO there should be a way, made a way to make sure the person(s) selected are the ones using them and not reselling them. Most likely impossible but it couldn't hurt to try and come up with something to eliminate the scalpers.

>

> Back when I had season tickets to the AZ Cardinals I was able to purchase two superbowl tickets. One for each two season tickets you owned. Leaving the parking lot after picking the tickets up you couldn't get past the crowd of scalpers wanting to buy your tickets. Could have tripled my money and they still would have doubled theirs. Can't say it wasn't tempting....

 

Ditto.

[RobotDoctor]

If I am lucky to be selected I would attend and would never consider selling the tickets. I've applied every year the lottery has been going on for both practice rounds and tournament proper. So far 0-every year.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > > >

> > > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> > >

> > >

> > > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

> >

> > By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

> >

> > And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

>

> I have never suggested that they can or should do anything.

 

We know you've never suggested they can or should do anything. But you've repeatedly said "they've done nothing" all the while failing to acknowledge the rules and screening ANI has in place for the lottery including; address and ID validation, 1 submission per address, no use of a secondary, no using another family members address and the fact that they will revoke passes from those later found to have violated the lottery rules.

[QuigleyDU]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > > > >

> > > > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

> > >

> > > By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

> > >

> > > And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

> >

> > I have never suggested that they can or should do anything.

>

> We know you've never suggested they can or should do anything. But you've repeatedly said "they've done nothing" all the while failing to acknowledge the rules and screening ANI has in place for the lottery including; address and ID validation, 1 submission per address, no use of a secondary, no using another family members address and the fact that they will revoke passes from those later found to have violated the lottery rules.

 

Ok man. If you say so. You keep failing to acknowledge that I am not talking about that.

[PZero]

If I get tickets, no way am I selling them. I want to finally go.

Give me some good karma!

[lopey986]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > >

> > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > >

> > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > >

> > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> >

> >

> > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

>

> By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

>

> And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

 

i don't get what kind of "logistical issues and inconveniences" there are to printing a name on a ticket when the person buys it.

 

and then only allow that ticket to be resold via masters.com and at face value. there ya go, just killed the entire secondary market.

[bladehunter]

> @lopey986 said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > > >

> > > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> > >

> > >

> > > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

> >

> > By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

> >

> > And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

>

> i don't get what kind of "logistical issues and inconveniences" there are to printing a name on a ticket when the person buys it.

>

> and then only allow that ticket to be resold via masters.com and at face value. there ya go, just killed the entire secondary market.

 

There’s not any. It would work.

[QuigleyDU]

> @lopey986 said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > > > > > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @exit47 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @pmadden86 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Names on tickets, ID at the gate, it's really that simple.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Exactly. Not nearly as many would enter the lottery of that were the practice. And then I might get to go. I know of a couple guys here who’ve been picked more than once. And each time sold their tickets here. Irritates me to no end that the site helps them flip the tickets.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You're under the impression Augusta National actually cares about the secondary market

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The club's public responses/statements/actual actions suggest that it does care.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > statements are one thing, actions are completely another. I do not care what anyone says about a problem and how upset they may or may not be about it. What do they "do" about it. In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sticks and stones...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps you should read this

> > > > > > > > https://golfweek.com/2019/04/23/golf-masters-ticket-scheme-fraud/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm sure you must be familiar with the person and address validation process that ANI uses for the Lottery. To say that ANI has done nothing is disingenuous.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a different situation than what I think most are talking about. This was a scam to get more tickets by setting up dozens if not more fake accounts. Augusta national is doing nothing to stop scalping or the secondary market as a whole. This was fraud, there is a bit of a difference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ANI doesn't currently have the ability to completely shut down the secondary market, however they've put measures to help curb the access to tickets flowing into the secondary market. I hazard a guess that they've done more than just about anyone. You've got to acknowledge that. Also when they catch people who've submitted duplicate applications they get bounced. As for the Texas family sure that was fraud but ANI could have turned a blind eye but they didn't. Again to say they've done nothing (your words) is not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. They have done something, once.

> > > >

> > > > They've done more than something once. Why are you ignoring the ID and address validation requirements?

> > >

> > >

> > > What are talking about?? I have been and I am only speaking about what some feel is wrong in the secondary market. Nothing else. Requiring an address at purchase does not change that.

> >

> > By nature of their lottery, address and ID validation in their selling process they inhibit the flow into the secondary market. Unless they are willing to require name on ticket with matching ID at the gate I'm not sure what more they can do? Requiring names on tickets comes with its own set of logistical issues and inconvences for ANI and legitimate ticket holders. I'm really not sure what more you think they could do short of that. Again to say they've done nothing isn't correct.

> >

> > And yes I think the secondary market has a large number of stinking, nonvalue add vermin that use unfair, sometimes illegal tactics to capture tickets and control supply.

>

> i don't get what kind of "logistical issues and inconveniences" there are to printing a name on a ticket when the person buys it.

>

> and then only allow that ticket to be resold via masters.com and at face value. there ya go, just killed the entire secondary market.

 

This has been my point the whole time. Thank you. Until something like this happens Masters tickets will be hard to get because it has turned into megabucks. Everyone is putting their names in with the hope of cashing in.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @QuigleyDU

> Ok man. If you say so. You keep failing to acknowledge that I am not talking about that.

 

No I don't say so, you said:

Post #133 "What do they "do" about it. **In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing."**

Post #137 "fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. **They have done something, once.**"

 

My point has been that they DO something about it with every sale in the lottery with address and personal ID validation and the limits of one entry per address. Also you will lose your tickets if they later discover you didn't follow the rules of the lottery such as entering more than 1 person per address or the same person at 2 different addresses. In 2017 they limit a single ticket to 2 in/out per day. In the last couple of years ANI has started revoking tickets from those reselling. As well as banning them from future lotteries.

 

So to say they've done nothing or done something only once is not true, that is my only issue with what you've written.

 

Hypothetically speaking, if they wanted to limit the secondary market even more, the only solution I see would be requiring name be on the ticket and matching ID at the gate as @bladehunter and a few others said. I agree, however implementing such system comes with its own set of issues, logistics, costs, building system to transfer or resell unused tickets with names on tickets via ANI site only etc. This system would also have unintended consequences and limitations for legitimate ticket holders whom currently share tickets with family, friends or those winning the lottery that aren't sure whom exactly is going with them. Again all of this is certainly doable, but it doesn't come for free or without hindrances.

[QuigleyDU]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @QuigleyDU

> > Ok man. If you say so. You keep failing to acknowledge that I am not talking about that.

>

> No I don't say so, you said:

> Post #133 "What do they "do" about it. **In this case Augusta national has "done" nothing."**

> Post #137 "fair enough. I was just putting this TX guy in a different box and looking at it as a separate issues. if you lump them together, then yes. **They have done something, once.**"

>

> My point has been that they DO something about it with every sale in the lottery with address and personal ID validation and the limits of one entry per address. Also you will lose your tickets if they later discover you didn't follow the rules of the lottery such as entering more than 1 person per address or the same person at 2 different addresses. In 2017 they limit a single ticket to 2 in/out per day. In the last couple of years ANI has started revoking tickets from those reselling. As well as banning them from future lotteries.

>

>

> So to say they've done nothing or done something only once is not true, that is my only issue with what you've written.

>

> Hypothetically speaking, if they wanted to limit the secondary market even more, the only solution I see would be requiring name be on the ticket and matching ID at the gate as @bladehunter and a few others said. I agree, however implementing such system comes with its own set of issues, logistics, costs, building system to transfer or resell unused tickets with names on tickets via ANI site only etc. This system would also have unintended consequences and limitations for legitimate ticket holders whom currently share tickets with family, friends or those winning the lottery that aren't sure whom exactly is going with them. Again all of this is certainly doable, but it doesn't come for free or without hindrances.

 

 

[Skhacker]

I'm not sure if it's used in the USA, but here in Canada a lot of venues use a "Credit Card Entry" policy for higher profile events. The cardholder that purchased the tickets must accompany the tickets to the event. So if you buy a group of tickets, the person who owns the credit card that purchased them must be part of that group. It gets rid of the majority of scalpers and flippers. In theory you could flip some of the tickets, but you'd still need to attend the event with the group of tickets you purchased. This way, people only buy tickets they're going to use. Been going on for many years and works great.

[Hardluckster]

The price point has made Masters tickets a business venture, for sure. Supply and demand determines the value and some people will always look to cash in where such a huge profit can be made.

 

Is it ANGC's responsibility to try to limit this? I don't know, but I really wish that something could be done. Reselling through AGNC would be an added burden for the club (and again I'm not sure that I think it's their responsibility), but it could work. People who wish to "share" with friends and/or family could simply sell the "shared" tickets to their friends through the ANGC portal.

[youdamantiger]

I’ve been three times. Never been picked in the lottery (0-6), I had to buy from scalpers on Washington. Some of you seem to think that if the black market for tickets dried up you would have no problem being picked in the lottery. I think that is some impressive optimism.

 

What happens if the black market is killed and you’re still not picked? How are you going to get through the gates then? The black market simply provides a product that is in short supply but in high demand. Without the black market I would still be dreaming about what Amen Corner looks like in person.

 

The only humble suggestion I would make to ANI about their selection process is to allow an entrant only one win every five years. That would dramatically improve the chances of us folks who have never won.

[Hawkeye77]

> @youdamantiger said:

> I’ve been three times. Never been picked in the lottery (0-6), I had to buy from scalpers on Washington. Some of you seem to think that if the black market for tickets dried up you would have no problem being picked in the lottery. I think that is some impressive optimism.

>

> What happens if the black market is killed and you’re still not picked? How are you going to get through the gates then? The black market simply provides a product that is in short supply but in high demand. Without the black market I would still be dreaming about what Amen Corner looks like in person.

>

> The only humble suggestion I would make to ANI about their selection process is to allow an entrant only one win every five years. That would dramatically improve the chances of us folks who have never won.

 

Speak for yourself, I'm happy to go back in 2020 and not wait another year!

[Hardluckster]

> @youdamantiger said:

> I’ve been three times. Never been picked in the lottery (0-6), I had to buy from scalpers on Washington. Some of you seem to think that if the black market for tickets dried up you would have no problem being picked in the lottery. I think that is some impressive optimism.

>

> What happens if the black market is killed and you’re still not picked? How are you going to get through the gates then? The black market simply provides a product that is in short supply but in high demand. Without the black market I would still be dreaming about what Amen Corner looks like in person.

>

> The only humble suggestion I would make to ANI about their selection process is to allow an entrant only one win every five years. That would dramatically improve the chances of us folks who have never won.

 

I don't have any doubt that the absence of price gouging would improve the odds for the fans who are actually interested in going to Augusta. While there is no way to accurately determine how much those odds would improve and no way that everyone who truly wants tickets for themselves gets them, there would be fewer applications.

 

I was fortunate enough to be able to get tickets from a friend in 2012 (at face value) and take my son. I have never been selected in the lottery despite submitting a request every year of the process.

 

[Newbs24]

Just heard from a friend that he logged in today and saw the rejection note on his submission... Mine is still showing nothing different... Looks like we will find out today if we won tickets... Best of luck all

[jacksongp22]

We regret...

 

Dang it!

[mikedit]

Yep, I logged on and my yearly rejection notice was posted.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Logged in and see my rejection.

[pmadden86]

We regret :'(

[jvincent]

0 for whatever continues. :'(

[QuigleyDU]

we regret..

 

[wcbjr]

We Regret...

 

Your application was not selected for 2020 Masters tickets.

 

Thank you for your interest in the Masters Tournament.

[jwhite86]

we regret... whatever

[masamitsu]

damn... 0-21...

[Newbs24]

Mine is still submitted and processing... My dads was a rejection...

[doctorjedi]

I'm gonna side with the system needs rework. I think a bunch of slickdealers are the ones applying. Check ID upon entry or at least spot check it. That should be enough to deter.