2022 Callaway Rogue ST drivers (in-hand photos)

[DIIV]

8 minutes ago, tbone18 said:

it does.  much more muted sound than the G425.

Good to hear, that’s exactly what I was hoping for. 

[brushie]

1 hour ago, mikey6866 said:

 

When placing order you will see a note section when going through checkout.  If you put your tip trimming instructions there you will see when your order updates to "processing" they will add a field showing the tipping requested.  I use the notes since I order shorter than standard everything and I request stock swingweight in notes so they add weight to the head.

 

I ordered epic, rogue, epic flash, and mavirk all direct from Callaway all drivers -1" shorter than standard length.  All had weight added to head.  None had shaft weight ever.  Not sure where you are getting this info from.  

from my own personal experience ordering directly from Callaway and from what the sales rep told me as well.  I ordered each driver to play 44.5”.  Did you measure your head weight against a stock retail head or just measured swingweight of the club and assumed it was because they added weight to the head?

[tilasan]

1 hour ago, brushie said:

from my own personal experience ordering directly from Callaway and from what the sales rep told me as well.  I ordered each driver to play 44.5”.  Did you measure your head weight against a stock retail head or just measured swingweight of the club and assumed it was because they added weight to the head?

Not a driver but I just ordered the xforged ut with a tour ad di 95 and requested a heavier swingweight. It came with the stock weight plate 17g instead of the heavier one 22g. Was barely d1. Also ordered a Apex UW longer and they didn't swing weight it to stock, came in at d7. They left the stock 7 gram weight instead of using the 2 gram. I've found you have to be super specific and tell them which gram weight you want in order to get a certain swingweight.

[mikey6866]

13 hours ago, brushie said:

from my own personal experience ordering directly from Callaway and from what the sales rep told me as well.  I ordered each driver to play 44.5”.  Did you measure your head weight against a stock retail head or just measured swingweight of the club and assumed it was because they added weight to the head?

 

My gbb big Bertha, epic, and epic flash were what they called "animalized".  All those drivers came direct from Callaway with 2 sliding weights from factory when ordered straight from Callaway.  The rogue draw came with heavier weight in heel than stock.   My mav max came with 14 and 6 g weights instead of 14 and 2 like stock.  3 friends all ordered standard mavriks shorter than standard...all 3 had heavier weight in head.  Even in fwys if they have had weights that are ajustable Callaway has added weight to head.  If a club does not have adjustable weights then they will add to shaft but I've yet to see a single custom order that has adjustable weights in head where they haven't added weight to head.

 

I am interested to see what they do with the rogue st max line (drivers and fwy).  Since they dont have any weights other than the speed cartridge which they are unlikely to change.  Im curious if they are hot melting or adding shaft tip weight.  I ordered a rogue st max 3HL fairway so when I get it ill be able to find out since its getting an immediate shaft swap.  I ordered the MAX D driver for this exact reason so i knew i would get additional weight in head. 

 

Also wanted to add most all of my clubs have been taken apart several times so I'm able to verify with certainty no shaft tip weight in any of them that Ive had.  I had to take several adapters off the shafts as I've used green dot adapters to get to -2 on most of these drivers.  I didn't check epic flash or newer for shaft weight because I never used shaft ordered with club.  I've been using graphite design vr or diamana zf for the past few years so I just plug in my shaft after I weigh head after receiving.

Edited January 24, 2022 by mikey6866

[brushie]

4 hours ago, mikey6866 said:

 

My gbb big Bertha, epic, and epic flash were what they called "animalized".  All those drivers came direct from Callaway with 2 sliding weights from factory when ordered straight from Callaway.  The rogue draw came with heavier weight in heel than stock.   My mav max came with 14 and 6 g weights instead of 14 and 2 like stock.  3 friends all ordered standard mavriks shorter than standard...all 3 had heavier weight in head.  Even in fwys if they have had weights that are ajustable Callaway has added weight to head.  If a club does not have adjustable weights then they will add to shaft but I've yet to see a single custom order that has adjustable weights in head where they haven't added weight to head.

 

I am interested to see what they do with the rogue st max line (drivers and fwy).  Since they dont have any weights other than the speed cartridge which they are unlikely to change.  Im curious if they are hot melting or adding shaft tip weight.  I ordered a rogue st max 3HL fairway so when I get it ill be able to find out since its getting an immediate shaft swap.  I ordered the MAX D driver for this exact reason so i knew i would get additional weight in head. 

 

Also wanted to add most all of my clubs have been taken apart several times so I'm able to verify with certainty no shaft tip weight in any of them that Ive had.  I had to take several adapters off the shafts as I've used green dot adapters to get to -2 on most of these drivers.  I didn't check epic flash or newer for shaft weight because I never used shaft ordered with club.  I've been using graphite design vr or diamana zf for the past few years so I just plug in my shaft after I weigh head after receiving.

 

I have a Rogue ST TD LS coming so we'll see if they adjust the front weight.  

[mikey6866]

32 minutes ago, brushie said:

 

I have a Rogue ST TD LS coming so we'll see if they adjust the front weight.  

 

Did your order update to where they added a swing weight field into order? This is always how mine looks when order goes to processing they add my requested sw to order.

[brushie]

Not this time.  I didn't want a shaft weight so I figured I would just use lead tape, hot melt or change the front weight out if they didn't adjust anything.  In all my past orders I have requested specific swingweights with the Callaway sales rep.

[jgreer1421]

On 1/21/2022 at 9:52 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

But much less forgiving...

 

The triple diamond is on the right.  Max LS on the left.  The triple diamond looks more like the speed, which for me coming from the Epic Max LS, I prefer the same Max LS this year.....

 

 

 

 

[elwhippy]

Hit the 10.5 degree standard head tonight. Cold weather and range balls again. Easy to hit. Too high a flight and spun like mad. Another one off the list. 

[me05501]

14 minutes ago, elwhippy said:

Hit the 10.5 degree standard head tonight. Cold weather and range balls again. Easy to hit. Too high a flight and spun like mad. Another one off the list. 

I’m not a fast swinger or great driver if the golf ball, but the last couple of times I’ve tried a 10.5 head from Callaway I’ve only been able to hit moon balls with them. I’m currently playing a B21 9* at stated loft and it hits it plenty high enough even at 93-94 mph. 
 

I think the most recent design evolutions might have changed the conventional wisdom on slower swingers needing more loft. 

[Dsevans8]

27 minutes ago, jgreer1421 said:

 

The triple diamond is on the right.  Max LS on the left.  The triple diamond looks more like the speed, which for me coming from the Epic Max LS, I prefer the same Max LS this year.....

 

 

 

 

So I got to ask... at the stated loft does the max ls look a little closed to you, and the TD look a little square to open?

[jgreer1421]

15 minutes ago, Dsevans8 said:

So I got to ask... at the stated loft does the max ls look a little closed to you, and the TD look a little square to open?

 

I literally went into to GG to just take pictures of these for a buddy of mine lol.....no judgement lol.  

 

I haven't hit the triple diamond, but the Max LS I hit previously, looked very neutral.

 

GG is doing a Free fitting event this weekend, which I booked for Friday....can report back then on how they sit.

[Dsevans8]

10 minutes ago, jgreer1421 said:

 

I literally went into to GG to just take pictures of these for a buddy of mine lol.....no judgement lol.  

 

I haven't hit the triple diamond, but the Max LS I hit previously, looked very neutral.

 

GG is doing a Free fitting event this weekend, which I booked for Friday....can report back then on how they sit.

Thanks. Idk why but for some reason I always felt like the MAX LS was a little closed and preferred turning it down -1 to look more square.

[Oett11]

10 minutes ago, jgreer1421 said:

 

I literally went into to GG to just take pictures of these for a buddy of mine lol.....no judgement lol.  

 

I haven't hit the triple diamond, but the Max LS I hit previously, looked very neutral.

 

GG is doing a Free fitting event this weekend, which I booked for Friday....can report back then on how they sit.

What shafts are you going to be testing the heads in?

[jgreer1421]

19 minutes ago, Dsevans8 said:

Thanks. Idk why but for some reason I always felt like the MAX LS was a little closed and preferred turning it down -1 to look more square.

Lower spin......longer drives!  Win win! 🤣

 

18 minutes ago, Oett11 said:

What shafts are you going to be testing the heads in?

XC, LA Blue, Ventus Black, and a TP(if it doesn't sell in the BST).

 

Then anything else GG have around to test.

[Dsevans8]

21 minutes ago, jgreer1421 said:

Lower spin......longer drives!  Win win! 🤣

 

XC, LA Blue, Ventus Black, and a TP(if it doesn't sell in the BST).

 

Then anything else GG have around to test.

Thats true, but with the TD going down -1 can make it seem a little more open. Probably would do 9 degree in a TD, and 10.5 -1 in MAX LS. I'm scared to go 9 and -1 to 8 degrees.

[NNJ]

4 hours ago, elwhippy said:

Hit the 10.5 degree standard head tonight. Cold weather and range balls again. Easy to hit. Too high a flight and spun like mad. Another one off the list. 

The last Callaway I hit which didn’t spin too much and fly too high was the Epic Flash SZ which I coincidentally played at 10.5. After that the mavrik and Speed both just didn’t work (although I didn’t get to try the TD LS speed).

 

unrelated to the driver but does anyone know if they’re planning a Rogue Super hybrid? Would that be end of summer?

[dmeeksDC]

5 hours ago, jgreer1421 said:

 

The triple diamond is on the right.  Max LS on the left.  The triple diamond looks more like the speed, which for me coming from the Epic Max LS, I prefer the same Max LS this year.....

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting these. I like the look of the MAX LS. I’ve seen the standard and it looks good too. Looking forward to my own Rogue ST vs Stealth head to head. 

[jgolf215]

8 hours ago, jgreer1421 said:

 

The triple diamond is on the right.  Max LS on the left.  The triple diamond looks more like the speed, which for me coming from the Epic Max LS, I prefer the same Max LS this year.....

 

 

 

 

Man, these heads are gorgeous!!! Going to be difficult to resist a new driver head this year!! Thanks for posting!! 

[BirdieBob]

 

[speeder757]

Has anyone heard anything about a 50% trade in bonus? 

[third-times-a-charm]

17 minutes ago, speeder757 said:

Has anyone heard anything about a 50% trade in bonus? 

Im still waiting for the email

[Crn50]

I'm more confused looking at the differences in the NEW Taylormade/Callaway offerings, yesterday I went through my drivers with my Rapsodo checking performance results. I've got Taylormade R7 M3 Sim and shafts Senior Reg Stiff Xstiff, Callaway bbb Reg Senior shaft and Ping G stiff/Reg shaft, I was thinking 2-3 more sessions and keep the best sell the rest to buy a NEW driver. But WHAT ??

[Avidswampthing66]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:46 PM, Dsevans8 said:

Thanks. Idk why but for some reason I always felt like the MAX LS was a little closed and preferred turning it down -1 to look more square.

I played epic max ls turned down -1 and spin sat around a comfortable 2300.

 Today I hit rogue max ls and I saw significantly lower spin. -400 rpm average Same shaft, same loft.  
lofted up to 9 and it was near 2000.  May need to go 9.5 or 10.  Or try a softer tip shaft and spinny ball.  Great sounding driver!  Triple D may be out of the equation.  Anyone have numbers comparing Rogue💎💎💎 to Rogue Max LS? Same loft, shaft etc…

[Avidswampthing66]

3 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

I played epic max ls turned down -1 and spin sat around a comfortable 2300.

 Today I hit rogue max ls and I saw significantly lower spin. -400 rpm average Same shaft, same loft.  
lofted up to 9 and it was near 2000.  May need to go 9.5 or 10.  Or try a softer tip shaft and spinny ball.  Great sounding driver!  Triple D may be out of the equation.  Anyone have numbers comparing Rogue💎💎💎 to Rogue Max LS? Same loft, shaft etc…

Besides Micheal Newton lol…

[blakehall]

I’ve got a fitting booked for Friday.

 

I don’t expect there to be much in the way of shaft options, but I’ll bring my gamer to get some decent baseline comparison numbers.

[Gareth]

Anyone tried the Rogue ST LS fairways yet please? Looking at ordering a 15 or 16.5 degree 3 wood to replace my current G425LST.

 

Have a new Rogue ST Max 10.5 degree driver en route to me with the Tensei AV Blue 65 shaft so I’m weighing up if I go Blue 75 or the White 75 for the 3 wood….welcome any thoughts/recommendations. 

[third-times-a-charm]

I have an outdoor 'fitting' this weekend.

 

Since I'm a huge equipment 'tard I doubt there will be anything I consider playable since I play -75" and D5 SW - but I will see if we can land on a head I like better than the Epic Speed somehow.

Edited January 26, 2022 by third-times-a-charm

[Gareth]

Spoke too soon......despite some pro's/retailers here (UK) having stock in of the new Callaway drivers there is an embargo for the UK market until "early to mid-March"

 

Not happy at all as I've traded my current Sim 2 Max in and have also paid for the Rogue ST Max this week so I'm now without a driver for 6-7 weeks at least........🤬

 

 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:56 AM, elwhippy said:

Hit the 10.5 degree standard head tonight. Cold weather and range balls again. Easy to hit. Too high a flight and spun like mad. Another one off the list. 

Cold range balls spin like crazy to begin with. Not a great comparison.