Toulon calls out Scotty for copying

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Did anybody see this? Pretty unreal on Scotty’s part....



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  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,321 ✭✭
    No ... you don't get it ... Scotty was inspired and MADE IT BETTER like he always does.
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  • DHarryDHarry Members Posts: 200
    If anyone is going to get hot over one company copying another, then you should also be annoyed that everyone copied Karsten Solheim’s Anser.
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    tatertot wrote:


    No ... you don't get it ... Scotty was inspired and MADE IT BETTER like he always does.




    But ... it's not better. lol.
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152
    Wow, that's what I call a "callout".



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  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,321 ✭✭
    SwingMan wrote:

    tatertot wrote:


    No ... you don't get it ... Scotty was inspired and MADE IT BETTER like he always does.




    But ... it's not better. lol.




    Don't get bogged down by the details, Scotty doesn't.
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,610 ✭✭
    edited Nov 30, 2018 #7
    Scotty’s Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.
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    Good ol' Don, same ol', lol....
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  • chickenpotpiechickenpotpie #TeamJetSpeed Members Posts: 8,538 ✭✭
    They picked different numbers though??? That must count for something? /fartnoise
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152
    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty’s Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,850 ✭✭
    This is like when nerds argue over DC or Marvel.
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  • SoCalTitleistSoCalTitleist Members Posts: 3,255 ✭✭
    Is it just the headcover or entire putter .

  • DWCobraJRDWCobraJR Members Posts: 536 ✭✭
    edited Nov 30, 2018 #13
    Would love to hear Sean Toulon expand on this tweet. He definitely makes it seem like he has a war chest of complaints about Cameron copying designs.



    As a Don myself it angers me that Cameron won’t go by his given name “Don” unforgivable lol
  • Rob McHughRob McHugh Rob ClubWRX Posts: 971 ClubWRX
    DWCobraJR wrote:


    Would love to hear Sean Toulon expand on this tweet. He definitely makes it seem like he has a war chest of complaints about Cameron copying designs.



    As a Don myself it angers me that Cameron won’t go by his given name “Donâ€&#157; unforgivable lol


    It can be tough with names. True story - I know a family full of lawyers here in Oz; surname Farkas. They called a daughter Carmen. :-)



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  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,745 ✭✭
    I don’t know much about Toulon

    They look very nice



    Is there an original design in there somewhere I don’t see?



    I see pings, some that remindof nice Japanese models from a few years ago, a blade



    Tough to call out when much of the putters look like beautiful copies themselves ?
  • WarrickWarrick ClubWRX Posts: 10,254 ClubWRX
    Good on Sean for calling him out, that **** is weak.



    Toulon is on a roll and will continue to take his business.



    This is about a cut and paste copy of a cover, not another discussion on the "Anser putter"
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  • Misc1600Misc1600 ClubWRX Posts: 909 ClubWRX
    Believe he also called out “putters in play” at a tournament earlier this year.
  • RodrigoNicelyRodrigoNicely Members Posts: 703 ✭✭
    Cameron has really fallen off on his OTR models. Used to have a look aboutbthem that made a statement. Now they look cheap and mass manufacturing. Yes the old ones were mass produced but they didn’t have that look about them. Have had a few Toulon putters and they are everything Cameron used to be
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    edited Dec 1, 2018 #19


    I don’t know much about Toulon

    They look very nice



    Is there an original design in there somewhere I don’t see?



    I see pings, some that remindof nice Japanese models from a few years ago, a blade



    Tough to call out when much of the putters look like beautiful copies themselves ?




    Nothing is too original these days - what is old is new again. A few things have interesting takes - Ping tends to push the envelope in putter design; you see different takes on the Anser - deeper flange, wings, etc. Different designs? Examples like Directed Force, the Evnroll ER7 (the improved Rife Barbados) is a slight modification, the ER-9 is different but to be discontinued.



    Toulon's putters are not pioneering but his forte' seems to be using a variety of weighted heads and counterbalancing - you've got 3 options for weighting for each putter. Odyssey/Toulon are coming out with a new shaft. Toulon- Nice putters - just must find what fits your game.
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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 3,800 ✭✭
    Debatable !



    Not a Registered Trade Mark, not on the Pattern Right .......... It's a design which other used / copied.



    Of course the original owner would not be pleased especially when someone else has more success with it.
  • shot-saviorshot-savior Members Posts: 182 ✭✭

    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.
  • RodrigoNicelyRodrigoNicely Members Posts: 703 ✭✭
    wkuo3 wrote:


    Debatable !



    Not a Registered Trade Mark, not on the Pattern Right .......... It's a design which other used / copied.



    Of course the original owner would not be pleased especially when someone else has more success with it.




    Does he have more success with it!?! His Headcover market has tanked and his putters aren’t holding their value like they used to.
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800


    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    That is such a weak use for 62 ... it says, "It's all about me." Gag ...
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  • hd.softailhd.softail Members Posts: 466 ✭✭
    edited Dec 1, 2018 #24
    I was kind of interested in trying a Toulon next year but might have to pass now. Gotta wonder about a guy who would call this out when at the heart of his company he's copying the OG, Mr. Karsten Solheim. And maybe to some extent Mills and Bettinardi when you throw in milling/one-piece milling. I guess some people will bite though.



    Kind of why I have such respect for a guy like Guerin Rife, watched a recent interview about his work and he says outright, we don't take to much risk in the design, we use historically successful designs and then incorporate our knowledge/technology into those ideas, i.e., we are taking something good and trying to make it better.



    Agree with others I've read regarding Cameron. Gotta respect what Scotty has brought to the game, however, his retail releases have not been good for a while. I've hit the 2018 select line over and over because I want to like/get one but, it usually comes in 3rd or 4th behind Bettinardi, EVNROLL, Vault 2.0 in my testing.
  • A.G. Pennypacker A.G. Pennypacker Members Posts: 479 ✭✭
    The Gulf racing livery (that specific orange and blue) has been used in hundreds (if not thousands) of applications in the decades since it was first seen in the 1960s. If Scotty is guilty of "copying" anything, then so is Toulon.



    What a joke.
  • toctoc Members Posts: 2,720 ✭✭


    noodle3872 wrote:


    Scotty's Circa 62 in yellow came out in 2006.



    Toulon became a stand alone company in 2015 and started race car inspired cover shortly there after.



    Bottom line; they all are great putter makers and share a love for race cars and racing.




    I remember when he started using the circa 62 moniker like he was making putters since 1962, hilarious.
    He was born in 1962; that's the reason for circa 62.




    Lol people really thought it meant the company was from 1962?? That’s the funniest thing I’ll hear all day
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  • deep18deep18 Members Posts: 1,850 ✭✭
    Not defending Scotty (or anyone else) but especially in putters, everyone copies everyone else. Yes there are a few examples of a groundbreaking design (like when the 2 ball came out) but for the most part, everyone is just tweaking everyone else’s ideas and around and around we go.



  • ItsjustagameItsjustagame Members Posts: 1,263 ✭✭
    Surprised this doesn't happen more often. The difference between all clubs- not just putters- is razor thin from one manufacturer to another.
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  • 03trdblack03trdblack ClubWRX Posts: 1,833 ClubWRX
    edited Dec 1, 2018 #29
    I think people are getting confused about what he's claiming as copied. He's not referring to the putters but the headcover design and the special edition nature of the release using the exact same ideas and color scheme.



    Scotty could have done something with the Shelby Cobra blue\white stripes or Jaguar British Racing Green but he chose the identical shell racing colors and identical headcover design down to the way it is laid out and everything. I'm not saying there's a copyright or anything but it's just lazy on Scotty's part and unoriginal.
  • FairwayFredFairwayFred Sponsors Posts: 3,983 ✭✭
    deep18 wrote:


    Not defending Scotty (or anyone else) but especially in putters, everyone copies everyone else. Yes there are a few examples of a groundbreaking design (like when the 2 ball came out) but for the most part, everyone is just tweaking everyone else’s ideas and around and around we go.




    Even the 2 ball was "inspired" by Dave Pelz 3 ball putter.
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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 3,800 ✭✭

    wkuo3 wrote:


    Debatable !



    Not a Registered Trade Mark, not on the Pattern Right .......... It's a design which other used / copied.



    Of course the original owner would not be pleased especially when someone else has more success with it.




    Does he have more success with it!?! His Headcover market has tanked and his putters aren't holding their value like they used to.




    I believe S.C. had marketed the putter like no one else before him and many failed to copy after. With that, his branded putter head cover and golf bags and accessory......also have a narrow market segment by the market makers.

    They have a line of quality putters, but does the line demand that kind of price point ? I have no idea, especially those so called "collector's" edition of anything.

    But, what do I know ? If one knows how they could even sell Index Number on the Stock Exchange.
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