2019 Callaway Apex & Apex Pro Iron Pics

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  • hef63303hef63303 Members Posts: 2,861 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    Loved the way the pro's felt. A touch more off set than I'd like to see but nothing crazy. I don't like bright chrome finish and the smoke won't be around for us lefties, so it'll be a tough buy. Definitely more forgiving than my Miura's but not miles softer... ball speed and carry about the same.
    Smoke will be available in LH. Both models.
  • maowvmaowv Members Posts: 198 ✭✭
    Apex CF16 PW was 45 degrees loft

    Apex CF19 PW is 43 degrees loft



    Why? Was this really necessary? Aren't we just forcing another wedge into the bag by converting PW into the old 9 iron loft?



    Disappointed with the loft changes, will result in the same (or worse) low spin issues as the CF16 had.
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    Honestly the apex pros felt just as nice as my Miura. Only took maybe 10 swipes at it but I was impressed.
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    Anybody take a wager how durable the smoke finish will be? My ping's have proven to hold up decent but my old Cobra Trusty's got wrecked in just one season. With the higher premium Cally wants for this finish... I'd only throw down that kind of money if I knew it would hold up for years.
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    Epic SZ HZRDUS Smoke 60 6.5
    LTD  Proforce 75F5
    818H2 Tour Blue 85X
    P790 4i Modus 120X
    P770 5-PW KBS Tour 120 FLT
    Glide Stealth 2.0 50/10SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 54/12SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 58/12SS Modus 125 Wedge
    TP Black Copper Juno w/ PX 7.0 Wedge
    TP5X
    Sun Mountain 4.5 Bag

  • RodrigoNicelyRodrigoNicely Members Posts: 721 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    Anybody take a wager how durable the smoke finish will be? My ping's have proven to hold up decent but my old Cobra Trusty's got wrecked in just one season. With the higher premium Cally wants for this finish... I'd only throw down that kind of money if I knew it would hold up for years.




    I asked Harry on Twitter the other day about it. He had one of their technical guys chime in. Some new process makes it more durable. He showed us pictures of his wedge that he had been using for about a month and a half and it looked fantastic
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭

    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    Anybody take a wager how durable the smoke finish will be? My ping's have proven to hold up decent but my old Cobra Trusty's got wrecked in just one season. With the higher premium Cally wants for this finish... I'd only throw down that kind of money if I knew it would hold up for years.




    I asked Harry on Twitter the other day about it. He had one of their technical guys chime in. Some new process makes it more durable. He showed us pictures of his wedge that he had been using for about a month and a half and it looked fantastic


    Nooooice. Did they say what the process is? Some kind of anodizing?



    Now to decide if I want to go all black with the smoke $ Taper's or keep my trust modus 120.
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    Glide Stealth 2.0 50/10SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 54/12SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 58/12SS Modus 125 Wedge
    TP Black Copper Juno w/ PX 7.0 Wedge
    TP5X
    Sun Mountain 4.5 Bag

  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,791 ✭✭
    i hit the apex pro last night - they were fantastic.



    8 yards longer than ap2 with only 1 deg loft difference. Maybe a tiny bit bigger and more forgiving? A little less spin though.

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  • PatsNationPatsNation Members Posts: 1,504 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    Anybody take a wager how durable the smoke finish will be? My ping's have proven to hold up decent but my old Cobra Trusty's got wrecked in just one season. With the higher premium Cally wants for this finish... I'd only throw down that kind of money if I knew it would hold up for years.
    i think it’s similar to new black finish cobra is using on their forged tec. Suppose to be very durable
  • mrmikeacmrmikeac Members Posts: 369 ✭✭



    Was so looking forward to the Apex iron .Very clicky coming off the face and terrible sound for a forged iron. Reading all these posts talking about great feel and distance. I expect the distance aspect, the lofts are jacked, but feel and sound for me are terrible.




    I have grown so very tired of the manufacturers purposely confusing everyone with this constant abuse of the term “forged”. Pure marketing BS.



    A forged body with a very thin, very springy, completely separate face welded to it, is not ever going to feel like an “old school” forged club that is hammered out of one solid piece of metal.



    Call them “forged” if you want, but Apex, PXG, p790, p760, i500, etc, etc., do not feel or sound ANYTHING like a true traditional forged one piece club.



    Unfortunately most golfers don’t know about the completely different construction and are constantly surprised by the sound and feel of these new imposters.




    Who are you to say that most golfers don’t know the difference? That has to be one of the most arrogant things I’ve ever read on any thread here. This is WRX, not a Rick Shiels fanbase reunion.

    Take your ignorance elsewhere.
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus, 10.5 Degrees set at 9.5, Weight Neutral, Tensei Orange 60 Gram Stiff
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, HZRDUS Smoke 70 Gram 6.0
    3 Hybrid: Ping G410 19 Degrees, Tensei Blue 80 Gram Stiff
    2 Iron: Taylormade P790 UDI, Project X HZDRUS Black 85g 6.0
    5-PW: Taylormade P760’s, Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120 Stiff
    50 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
    54 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    Who cares though? My old Taylormade Rocket Bladez felt extremely soft for a cast club. My Miura's are tripled forged and feel different than P790's which is the whole forged body, welded springy face. Club is a club. Goes a certain distance and that's really it. Getting caught up in forged vs what isn't is kind of silly.



    Most OEM's have some kind of hybrid forged player's club now a days anyway. I'll be honest - I'm considering leaving the Miura's for something like Apex Pro or 760's because they feel just as soft and sound pretty much just as good... but I'm seeing a bit more forgiveness out of them. It seems like more and more guys on tour are going toward something a bit more hybrid and less traditional.



    Having a "real" forged club isn't going to make me a better player - having a solid impact position and any tech available to me will though. Forged has become such a buzz word now, people are forgetting they still need to play golf.
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    P770 5-PW KBS Tour 120 FLT
    Glide Stealth 2.0 50/10SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 54/12SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 58/12SS Modus 125 Wedge
    TP Black Copper Juno w/ PX 7.0 Wedge
    TP5X
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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,711 ClubWRX
    mrmikeac wrote:




    Was so looking forward to the Apex iron .Very clicky coming off the face and terrible sound for a forged iron. Reading all these posts talking about great feel and distance. I expect the distance aspect, the lofts are jacked, but feel and sound for me are terrible.




    I have grown so very tired of the manufacturers purposely confusing everyone with this constant abuse of the term "forged". Pure marketing BS.



    A forged body with a very thin, very springy, completely separate face welded to it, is not ever going to feel like an "old school" forged club that is hammered out of one solid piece of metal.



    Call them "forged" if you want, but Apex, PXG, p790, p760, i500, etc, etc., do not feel or sound ANYTHING like a true traditional forged one piece club.



    Unfortunately most golfers don't know about the completely different construction and are constantly surprised by the sound and feel of these new imposters.




    Who are you to say that most golfers don't know the difference? That has to be one of the most arrogant things I've ever read on any thread here. This is WRX, not a Rick Shiels fanbase reunion.

    Take your ignorance elsewhere.




    He's 100% correct. Your insults are out of line.



    "Forged" in today's market really isn't the "forged" of days gone by or what a "true" forged club is and absolutely manufacturers cash in putting "forged" on irons that are more GI than "blades", for example.



    I think it's great that they can, but totally agree most golfers don't appreciate the real differences when they see "forged" on a lot of irons - it's half intended to confuse them, and I'd bet most golfers couldn't tell the difference in feel in forged GI vs. cast GI clubs.
  • mrmikeacmrmikeac Members Posts: 369 ✭✭
    Hawkeye77 wrote:

    mrmikeac wrote:




    Was so looking forward to the Apex iron .Very clicky coming off the face and terrible sound for a forged iron. Reading all these posts talking about great feel and distance. I expect the distance aspect, the lofts are jacked, but feel and sound for me are terrible.




    I have grown so very tired of the manufacturers purposely confusing everyone with this constant abuse of the term "forged". Pure marketing BS.



    A forged body with a very thin, very springy, completely separate face welded to it, is not ever going to feel like an "old school" forged club that is hammered out of one solid piece of metal.



    Call them "forged" if you want, but Apex, PXG, p790, p760, i500, etc, etc., do not feel or sound ANYTHING like a true traditional forged one piece club.



    Unfortunately most golfers don't know about the completely different construction and are constantly surprised by the sound and feel of these new imposters.




    Who are you to say that most golfers don't know the difference? That has to be one of the most arrogant things I've ever read on any thread here. This is WRX, not a Rick Shiels fanbase reunion.

    Take your ignorance elsewhere.




    He's 100% correct. Your insults are out of line.



    "Forged" in today's market really isn't the "forged" of days gone by or what a "true" forged club is and absolutely manufacturers cash in putting "forged" on irons that are more GI than "blades", for example.



    I think it's great that they can, but totally agree most golfers don't appreciate the real differences when they see "forged" on a lot of irons - it's half intended to confuse them, and I'd bet most golfers couldn't tell the difference in feel in forged GI vs. cast GI clubs.




    Okay bud my apologies, I don’t disagree with his statement whatsoever but to say that most golfers don’t know the difference is absolutely untrue. Trust me I get it, I got into an argument with someone just the other day about the P790’s. He kept going on and on about how they’re fully forged and I had to prove to him that it’s a cast club with a forged face, so yes there are SOME people that don’t know the difference and yes it’s irritating but to say MOST people don’t know the difference is ridiculous. MOST golfers have been playing the game long enough to know that these forged faces are a newcomer to the market. You could say that most NEW golfers don’t know the difference.



    Now if these companies keep going with this "forged face" Mumbo jumbo then yes, I’m afraid that full forgings will eventually become obsolete, which would be devastating for people like me and you but if it means more forgiveness and appeal for the mass amount of golfers then I’m all for it, whatever makes the game more popular. But from what I’m seeing lately, full forgings are going to have an evolutionary period if anything, been hearing a lot of talks about precision milling and fully machine milled heads being the next big thing which truly excites me.

    I for one have always used fully forged clubs until recently when I got fitted for a set of 760’s, my Srixon Z785’s are in my backup bag for now because I play better golf with these, yes these have a forged face and they’re not fully forged and yes the Srixon’s are some of the best feeling clubs I’ve ever hit or owned but I can’t argue with the extra spin, consistency and performance I get with my 760’s.
    Driver: Ping G410 Plus, 10.5 Degrees set at 9.5, Weight Neutral, Tensei Orange 60 Gram Stiff
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, HZRDUS Smoke 70 Gram 6.0
    3 Hybrid: Ping G410 19 Degrees, Tensei Blue 80 Gram Stiff
    2 Iron: Taylormade P790 UDI, Project X HZDRUS Black 85g 6.0
    5-PW: Taylormade P760’s, Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120 Stiff
    50 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
    54 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
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  • HifadeHifade Sleepin' on the job. Slacker! Dayton, OHCharter Members Posts: 5,335 ✭✭
    Let's not forget, the shaft plays a major part in feel too. For instance, most people play Project X shaft way too stiff for them, then complain about how harsh the clubs feel. Furthermore, if the head is not adjusted to your specs, they can feel harsh too, because you may struggle to hit the center of the face. In the end, several things go into feel....not the least of which can be subjective perception.
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  • SidetrackedSidetracked Inland Empire, CAMembers Posts: 1,950 ✭✭
    maowv wrote:


    Apex CF16 PW was 45 degrees loft

    Apex CF19 PW is 43 degrees loft



    Why? Was this really necessary? Aren't we just forcing another wedge into the bag by converting PW into the old 9 iron loft?



    Disappointed with the loft changes, will result in the same (or worse) low spin issues as the CF16 had.




    Part of the reason why I haven't looked at them yet. 43 really Callaway?
  • tyrotyro Members Posts: 2,604 ✭✭
    I was settled on the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged, but now I'll have to hit the Apex Pro 19 or a combo set. I like the normal spin I was getting from the 919's indoors, and the feel was plenty good for me.



    I've owned the Apex 16's, but the spin was way too low for me. From the positive reviews thus far, the Apex Pro 19 sound almost too good to be true. The Youtube guys, from Newton, Shiels, Crossfield, & Average Golfer, are all liking them.



    After the irons, I'll have to settle on a new driver. Now that's a packed field!
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    mrmikeac wrote:




    Was so looking forward to the Apex iron .Very clicky coming off the face and terrible sound for a forged iron. Reading all these posts talking about great feel and distance. I expect the distance aspect, the lofts are jacked, but feel and sound for me are terrible.




    I have grown so very tired of the manufacturers purposely confusing everyone with this constant abuse of the term “forged”. Pure marketing BS.



    A forged body with a very thin, very springy, completely separate face welded to it, is not ever going to feel like an “old school” forged club that is hammered out of one solid piece of metal.



    Call them “forged” if you want, but Apex, PXG, p790, p760, i500, etc, etc., do not feel or sound ANYTHING like a true traditional forged one piece club.



    Unfortunately most golfers don’t know about the completely different construction and are constantly surprised by the sound and feel of these new imposters.




    Who are you to say that most golfers don’t know the difference? That has to be one of the most arrogant things I’ve ever read on any thread here. This is WRX, not a Rick Shiels fanbase reunion.

    Take your ignorance elsewhere.




    Hahahahaha!! WTF? It’s not even open to debate. I was silmply making an unequivocal statement of fact.



    The VAST majority of all golfers have absolutely zero idea that there are truly different categories of “forged” clubs on the market.



    Stamping “Forged” on a golf club has become a marketing tool.



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    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,711 ClubWRX
    edited Feb 10, 2019 2:22pm #138
    I think there may be definitional differences - most golfers aren’t on here and don’t keep handicaps, follow equipment trends, know what the Ping wardrobe is for the week. We are in a bit of a bubble on wrx - moops!



    Enjoy!



  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I think there may be definitional differences - most golfers aren’t on here and don’t keep handicaps, follow equipment trends, know what the Ping wardrobe is for the week. We are in a bit of a bubble on wrx - moops!



    Enjoy!




    Certainly. Whenever I say “most golfers” in a thread on this website I’m never just talking about WRX members.



    The small subset of golfers on this site certainly are not “average” golfers in many ways.

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    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
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    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
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  • tmb guytmb guy teeitup Members Posts: 243 ✭✭

    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I think there may be definitional differences - most golfers aren’t on here and don’t keep handicaps, follow equipment trends, know what the Ping wardrobe is for the week. We are in a bit of a bubble on wrx - moops!



    Enjoy!




    Certainly. Whenever I say “most golfers” in a thread on this website I’m never just talking about WRX members.



    The small subset of golfers on this site certainly are not “average” golfers in many ways.




    sure they are they just wont accept it
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  • PatsNationPatsNation Members Posts: 1,504 ✭✭
    Great apex thread lately...
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,711 ClubWRX
    I had them both in hand yesterday but can’t hit anything because of elbow and would have been in a golf store so no big deal. I love the look of the regular Apex over the Pros. Anxious to try them come spring.
  • CaseyDanCaseyDan Members Posts: 796 ✭✭
    maowv wrote:


    Apex CF16 PW was 45 degrees loft

    Apex CF19 PW is 43 degrees loft



    Why? Was this really necessary? Aren't we just forcing another wedge into the bag by converting PW into the old 9 iron loft?



    Disappointed with the loft changes, will result in the same (or worse) low spin issues as the CF16 had.




    I agree not happy with the loft changes. I still bought a set and I will say the consistency in distance and spin is much improved vs the CF19. I think the standard 19 feels better than the CF16 as well. In my opinion and experience.



    First Time playing a set GW - didn’t buy set 4 iron this time. Bent my 52 to 53 so I go 48 53 58. Not bad.
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    Callaway Rogue 5W w/ Whiteboard 80s
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  • PatsNationPatsNation Members Posts: 1,504 ✭✭
    For the people who went with the Pros. Any of you tweak the lofts? Im a high spin/high launch guy I usually bend my irons 1 strong.



    Really considering the Apex Pro Smokes
  • KmacKmac Members Posts: 692 ✭✭
    I love the loft changes! Make them stronger for us mortals.



    I am going to go smoke Apex and if the finish is anything close to the Cobra Forged Tec blacks it will be very good. Those irons did not show a mark after a few round which was impressive with all the mud I was playing in because of the rain. Non stop rain.



    What is the price difference for the Smoke Apex?
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    Looks like $20 more per iron for Smoke if my math serves me. Somebody else can correct me if that's not true.
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    Glide Stealth 2.0 54/12SS AMT Wedge
    Glide Stealth 2.0 58/12SS Modus 125 Wedge
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  • KmacKmac Members Posts: 692 ✭✭
    Well at least its not crazy like what PXG wanted for the black irons.
  • moorebaseballmoorebaseball Members Posts: 252 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    Looks like $20 more per iron for Smoke if my math serves me. Somebody else can correct me if that's not true.




    Wow! Those are some expensive sticks!
  • KmacKmac Members Posts: 692 ✭✭
    $50 additional would be expensive!
  • moorebaseballmoorebaseball Members Posts: 252 ✭✭
    Kmac wrote:


    $50 additional would be expensive!




    I think $20 is hahaha. The pros are already at the high end for irons not including the additional $20 per club for black. Different strokes for different folks image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.
  • KmacKmac Members Posts: 692 ✭✭

    Kmac wrote:


    $50 additional would be expensive!




    I think $20 is hahaha. The pros are already at the high end for irons not including the additional $20 per club for black. Different strokes for different folks image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.




    haha not saying its cheap but you do not want to see how some PXG irons in black are going to cost
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