Callaway epic flash? is this legit? (New Pics added Pg 1)

[SwingBlues]

Thanks for the pic of the behind of the face. Definitely different. I presume the face is cast Ti then to get that wave structure?

 

Here's another question on the face.

 

Face front got a huge bulls eye.

 

Yet, the good strikes are off the upper and slightly toe side. Does this mean with the AI constructed face, we have to center strike the ball to maximize distance???

[phil75070]

It looks too similar to the original EPIC. Boring Callaway come up with something different.

 

Nothing boring about the technology in this beast!

[Holy Moses]

On the most recent No Laying Up podcast, Ollie Schneiderjans said his max ballspeed went from 184 to 189 with the Epic Flash

[TheMoneyShot]

On the most recent No Laying Up podcast, Ollie Schneiderjans said his max ballspeed went from 184 to 189 with the Epic Flash

 

That is crazy. I am really looking forward to seeing what the hype is all about.

[BostonWRX]

Is it new adapter?

[Smilesy]

What what I understand from speaking with a Callaway rep, the way the face reacts with a jailbreak in the head is very different that that without it. They used the same face (or close enough to) for the Epic and Rouge as they had for a couple of years, but it wasn't optimized for the way the whole club reacted. Apparently they used a super computer for a fair amount of time (would be very expensive) to find an optimal face design, they ran something like 15k options though the computer to get to what it ended up being.

[Kenny Powers]

what do you think guys?

I have hit it. Real Deal. Colors may be polarizing unless you are an A's fan ! FT3 Reborn !

[Bimmer1]

On the most recent No Laying Up podcast, Ollie Schneiderjans said his max ballspeed went from 184 to 189 with the Epic Flash

 

Callaway started advertising today with the phrase, “Faster than humanly possible!”

[msd71]

On the most recent No Laying Up podcast, Ollie Schneiderjans said his max ballspeed went from 184 to 189 with the Epic Flash

 

Callaway started advertising today with the phrase, "Faster than humanly possible!"

 

Who's Georgie?

[Stanks]

They had a little spot on their instagram as well. We should be seeing way more details quite soon I’m assuming.

[Bimmer1]

On the most recent No Laying Up podcast, Ollie Schneiderjans said his max ballspeed went from 184 to 189 with the Epic Flash

 

Callaway started advertising today with the phrase, "Faster than humanly possible!"

 

Who's Georgie?

 

You know.......that’s how they pronounce Georgia down that way!!

[jgard320]

Just a curious thought that maybe someone else in here can answer...

 

If cor/ct or whatever limiting factor is being honored here, how can ball speeds on dead center hits be increasing by 5 mph? I can understand some sort of variable face tech improvement combined with jailbreak to maximize ball speed on off center hits, but how can gains of 5 mph on center hits happen without it being non-conforming? A faster ball speed off of a similar swing speed has to be the result of a hotter face, which I'd imagine can only happen by being over the cor/ct limit.

[Holy Moses]

Just a curious thought that maybe someone else in here can answer...

 

If cor/ct or whatever limiting factor is being honored here, how can ball speeds on dead center hits be increasing by 5 mph? I can understand some sort of variable face tech improvement combined with jailbreak to maximize ball speed on off center hits, but how can gains of 5 mph on center hits happen without it being non-conforming? A faster ball speed off of a similar swing speed has to be the result of a hotter face, which I'd imagine can only happen by being over the cor/ct limit.

 

We don't know for sure if Ollie meant on-center or off-center hits, but he said 189 MPH so that's gotta be on center. Maybe the artificial intelligence did something to gain more speed.

[jgard320]

Just a curious thought that maybe someone else in here can answer...

 

If cor/ct or whatever limiting factor is being honored here, how can ball speeds on dead center hits be increasing by 5 mph? I can understand some sort of variable face tech improvement combined with jailbreak to maximize ball speed on off center hits, but how can gains of 5 mph on center hits happen without it being non-conforming? A faster ball speed off of a similar swing speed has to be the result of a hotter face, which I'd imagine can only happen by being over the cor/ct limit.

 

We don't know for sure if Ollie meant on center of off-center hits, but he said 189 MPH so that's gotta be on center. Maybe the artificial intelligence did something to gain more speed.

 

True, but assuming on center...that would just be taking the face and making it hotter, thus increasing the COR. Looking at the cutout of the face, it looks to be thicker in the center and thinner around the edges, suggesting that it might be a hot face that was dampened down to COR in the center and hotter around the sides to increase off center speed. Variable face thickness isn't exactly new technology. Maybe this does it better, but I don't see how these huge ball speed gains can happen unless they're on off center hits.

[sbjinx]

20 yards > 17 yards so epic flash > Rocket ballz

 

Joking aside that is crazy. Do we know what driver he was gaming prior to the flash ?

[Holy Moses]

Just a curious thought that maybe someone else in here can answer...

 

If cor/ct or whatever limiting factor is being honored here, how can ball speeds on dead center hits be increasing by 5 mph? I can understand some sort of variable face tech improvement combined with jailbreak to maximize ball speed on off center hits, but how can gains of 5 mph on center hits happen without it being non-conforming? A faster ball speed off of a similar swing speed has to be the result of a hotter face, which I'd imagine can only happen by being over the cor/ct limit.

 

We don't know for sure if Ollie meant on center of off-center hits, but he said 189 MPH so that's gotta be on center. Maybe the artificial intelligence did something to gain more speed.

 

True, but assuming on center...that would just be taking the face and making it hotter, thus increasing the COR. Looking at the cutout of the face, it looks to be thicker in the center and thinner around the edges, suggesting that it might be a hot face that was dampened down to COR in the center and hotter around the sides to increase off center speed. Variable face thickness isn't exactly new technology. Maybe this does it better, but I don't see how these huge ball speed gains can happen unless they're on off center hits.

 

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

[jgard320]

20 yards > 17 yards so epic flash > Rocket ballz

 

Joking aside that is crazy. Do we know what driver he was gaming prior to the flash ?

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/445592/ollie-schniederjans-witb-2017/

 

Looks like a 9 degree epic in 2017. So either that or a 9 degree Rogue, I'd guess.

[jgard320]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

[Holy Moses]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

 

But again, if the off-center hit is just as good as an on-center hit now, how did the Flash beat his best on-center hit with the Rogue by 5 MPH?

[03trdblack]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

 

But again, if the off-center hit is just as good as an on-center hit now, how did the Flash beat his best on-center hit with the Rogue by 5 MPH?

 

He swung faster :)

[jgard320]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

 

But again, if the off-center hit is just as good as an on-center hit now, how did the Flash beat his best on-center hit with the Rogue by 5 MPH?

 

He swung faster :)

 

Yes, that is the only possibility if the cor/ct limit is still being honored. My guess is that this is serious marketing hype for what amounts to a slightly to moderately more forgiving variable thickness face. Unless the MOI is also closer to the limit, I'm not sure if this will be more forgiving than the G400 Max, which we know has the highest MOI of any driver available now.

[Holy Moses]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

 

But again, if the off-center hit is just as good as an on-center hit now, how did the Flash beat his best on-center hit with the Rogue by 5 MPH?

 

He swung faster :)

 

It's magic

[ThinkingPlus]

Even if it was off-center, how could he get to 189 MPH or 5 MPH faster than his Rogue? An off-center hit on an Epic Flash shouldn't bring you more MPH than an on-center hit with the Rogue if the Flash is just trying to replicate on-center hits across the face.

 

I agree, but an on center hit on most drivers is going to get you close to a 1.5 smash factor. I'm not sure you can overcome physics when cor/ct is limited on all drivers. A higher max ball speed has to come from a hotter face, thus non-conforming. If they designed the greatest ever variable thickness face and suddenly you can get 1.5 smash even 1/2" away from the center in all directions, this could give significant ball speed increases on off center hits. But variable face thickness isn't really new technology. The only possibility for such gains seems that this variable thickness design is significantly better than any previous design.

 

But again, if the off-center hit is just as good as an on-center hit now, how did the Flash beat his best on-center hit with the Rogue by 5 MPH?

 

He swung faster :)

 

Yes, that is the only possibility if the cor/ct limit is still being honored. My guess is that this is serious marketing hype for what amounts to a slightly to moderately more forgiving variable thickness face. Unless the MOI is also closer to the limit, I'm not sure if this will be more forgiving than the G400 Max, which we know has the highest MOI of any driver available now.

It might be a tolerancing enhancement. New tech might allow Cally to manfacture heads closer to th CT limit while still meeting production costs and volume. In the past others have commented that OEMs had to be a bit careful staying more on the legal side of CT because a "hot" face might sneak through and get declared non-conforming. Maybe their fine tuning and toleranced got much, much better. Just a guess.

[jgard320]

It might be a tolerancing enhancement. New tech might allow Cally to manfacture heads closer to th CT limit while still meeting production costs and volume. In the past others have commented that OEMs had to be a bit careful staying more on the legal side of CT because a "hot" face might sneak through and get declared non-conforming. Maybe their fine tuning and toleranced got much, much better. Just a guess.

 

That's my guess. Instead of increasing MOI, it seems they engineered a variable thickness face that does a better job at getting close to the cor/ct limit across a larger area of the face. Essentially, it seems like more efficient face across a greater area. The alternative would be to find a way to maximize club MOI so that the head doesn't deflect on off center hits, while still finding a way to keep launch and spin down. Rogue level MOI with a better variable thickness face could be something interesting. Right now, I'd still have to give the nod to the G400 Max, which was far and away the most forgiving club head I've ever hit. Especially since the testers in here have said that the Flash is launching 3 degrees higher than the Rogue.

 

Then again, who knows until it hits the shelves and we all get a chance to hit it?

[GolfChannel]

Well, I was right, they are going full the “Flash” with the marketing. Only thing preventing them from downright copying the TV show or movie is that they won’t use red since that’s synonymous with TaylorMade.

[bogeypro]

That face looks like something out of a comic book. That cortex is looking better every day. ?

[hef63303]

Is it new adapter?

Same driver adapter.

[Grip It & Rip It 82]

Come on guys Ollie says he played the hole hundreds of time and was now 20 yards further than ever before using the Epic Flash driver.........its obvious those other few hundred times he played it, he used 3+wood off the tee lol

[dciccoritti]

Well, I was right, they are going full the “Flash” with the marketing. Only thing preventing them from downright copying the TV show or movie is that they won’t use red since that’s synonymous with TaylorMade.

 

Wasn't Rogue a take on Star Wars?

 

[TheMoneyShot]

I love the hype train for new clubs this time of year....