Jordan’s Swing

[Drewsky34]

Hi guys I know there’s that one thread about Jordan on here but I really just want to ask the technical guys about his swing mechanics and what’s been going on. I’m a huge fan but the last two years have been tough. It seemed like he wasn’t able to hit his woods/long irons very well at all this whole season almost every time he would toe hook it it seems like. And now Even with the shorter irons and wedges it looks like he’s just hitting these massive draws every time and they’re so inaccurate. Can anyone tell me what is so different about his swing? I seem to remember him being able to hit fades and straight balls pretty easily From 2014-2018. Hope he gets it turned around. Thanks!! 

[Strategery]

It's a terrible swing. Bent left arm and collapse at impact. He made too many long putts and now he is paying for it for being overhyped.

[Drewsky34]

12 minutes ago, Strategery said:

It's a terrible swing. Bent left arm and collapse at impact. He made too many long putts and now he is paying for it for being overhyped.

Hate to say it but I kind of agree I’m not super technical but compared to the other guys near the top he just doesn’t seem to have a natural swing. Hopefully he can find a way to make it work soon because I doubt he can change his swing too much at age 27

[3whacker]

IMO he is all over the place at the top of his backswing, one time he is on plane, one time he crosses the line at the top, seems to very rarely have it in the slot so its hard to get it back to where he needs it at impact...This is just a theory but I think Cam wasn't real strict about his grip and setup fundamentals as a kid and JS was just a wild swinger with a phenomenal short game and an awesome flat stick, that will beat 98% of the junior players. Now he is playing against guys that all have phenomenal short games and can roll the rock, and his deficiencies are getting exposed and putting pressure on the other aspects of his game..Once again thats just an opinion I have no stats to back that up except 81 today was almost embarrassing for a guy with 3 majors

[straightshot7]

Complete and total mental basket case. The swing is just a side effect of that. 
 

He needs to at least fire McCormick and go to someone else for a fresh start.

 

Maybe Spieth is just super loyal or too nice so he isn’t able to fire McCormick but it’s been too long with no results.

 

He needs to find confidence again. Right now he’s just filled with self doubt and that’s obvious in the 20 seconds of fidgets before a shot.

 

i think he can fix the swing issues but if and only if he first gets into the right frame of mind.

Edited September 19, 2020 by straightshot7

[Dr. Block]

I’m far from an expert (you’ll find those guys in the swing & instruction section), but I think his sort of odd chicken wing move gave him the advantage of a stable and reliable swing path and clubface-angle relationship.  It’s a move he owned and knew how to play with.  Now he’s changing things and bringing necessary clubface rotation into the equation, in the sense that he now has to manipulate it differently then he did before. 
 

At this point I would wager he’s stuck between two swings.  The one he wanted and the one he knew, and that is a rough place for a homegrown swinger like him to be. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Dr. Block

[indianagolf2]

Mentally has been crushed, one of many who this happens to. Its over. The longer this goes on, the worse it will get. He will be on the web.com soon sadly. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by indianagolf2

[indianagolf2]

Problem is, the fix isnt going to someone else in my view. Its multiple things...including mental damage of falling apart. 

[Drewsky34]

46 minutes ago, Dr. Block said:

I’m far from an expert (you’ll find those guys in the swing & instruction section), but I think his sort of odd chicken wing move gave him the advantage of a stable and reliable swing path and clubface-angle relationship.  It’s a move he owned and knew how to play with.  Now he’s changing things and bringing necessary clubface rotation into the equation, in the sense that he now has to manipulate it differently then he did before. 
 

At this point I would wager he’s stuck between two swings.  The one he wanted and the one he knew, and that is a rough place for a homegrown swinger like him to be. 

thank you this is what I was looking for that makes sense did he start rotating the face more for distance?

[Dr. Block]

56 minutes ago, Drewsky34 said:

thank you this is what I was looking for that makes sense did he start rotating the face more for distance?

It’s likely that his search for more power has created a swing path to face angle relationship that’s causing him to have to time up more clubface rotation.  So yes, if he’s lessening the chicken wing hold on move (a move that gave him the benefit of a square face through and long after impact; a move that gave him consistency) he would be getting more clubface rotation and would be having to learn how that relates to his release and the shape of his shots.  Clubface rotation isn’t the only variable he’s probably dealing with, but it’s certainly a big one.  

[gvogel]

Check out this sequence of Sam Snead:

 

https://golf.com/instruction/throwback-sam-snead-beautiful-swing-sequence-from-1961/

 

In Sam's follow through, note how nicely his left arm folds as it stays close to his body.  That allows the club to continue on a proper arc through impact and beyond.  It also leads to consistency.

 

Having said that, Tom Watson has criticized Jordan's grip.  He sure doesn't put his hands on the club as naturally as Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus or many others.

[ebrasmus21]

His swing is not Gucci 

[tr881430]

Needs to get shredded, add a little weight(not Bryson weight) and unleash his lower body. Looks way too rigid. Plus that chicken wing follow through is horrendous. 

[sonnygolf]

Its too late, there is no saving him. The mental damage is already done. He failed to make the transition into a new swing and is caught between both swings. The longer it takes to transition the more permanent the damage. JS is incapable of change due to mental over analyzing things. He will still have a few good rounds and maybe good weeks. But we are never going to see that old JS. 

 

 

[Kilo1545]

53 minutes ago, tr881430 said:

Needs to get shredded, add a little weight(not Bryson weight) and unleash his lower body. Looks way too rigid. Plus that chicken wing follow through is horrendous. 

 

The hold off was keeping his face square and giving him consistency at the expense of a little distance.  He tried to eliminate it a bit to add some distance and it's costing him bigly.

[Dickie Rowler]

2 hours ago, sonnygolf said:

Its too late, there is no saving him. The mental damage is already done. He failed to make the transition into a new swing and is caught between both swings. The longer it takes to transition the more permanent the damage. JS is incapable of change due to mental over analyzing things. He will still have a few good rounds and maybe good weeks. But we are never going to see that old JS. 

 

 

He must have that 'chicken-wing' (rediculous term, and the route of this whole shower) / bent left-arm move still in his muscle memory as he's been doing it since he was about 10.  First thing he should do is never watch his swing again on video and spend the next 6 months trying to re-ingrain it.

[mizuno player]

2 hours ago, Kilo1545 said:

 

The hold off was keeping his face square and giving him consistency at the expense of a little distance.  He tried to eliminate it a bit to add some distance and it's costing him bigly.

Agree with the "chicken" wing. It worked for him. Very well I might add.  Better pick a swing and commit. I would go back not forward of I were him. 

[GolfTurkey]

Perhaps he could declutter his mind and reduce his number of technical swing thoughts by adopting the 7-4-7 system. 

[airjammer]

Even when he was a jr he was known for a crappy long game but incredible short game...Nothing has changed. For a period of time he hit it good enough to allow his short game to win tournaments. Now he doesn’t..why I don’t think even Jordan knows. 

 

Throughout the history of golf people who have unrivaled short games tend to have crooked long games and vice versa. That can be said of Adam Scott, Ben Hogan, Luke Donald, Mac O Grady...the list goes on and on. 
 

Those who have both unrivaled short games and long games are in the conversation of GOAT. 

I try hope one day science figures out why this phenomenon happens..why someones natural rhythm allows them to be unmatched when performing short mechanicals and otherS to long swing mechanics.   

[farmer]

At his best, YJS led the tour in strokes gained driving and in strokes gained with approaches.  He wasn't just playing with smoke and mirrors and short game.  He might be better off to forget teachers and practice.  Go play until the old stuff re-surfaces.

[LifeStory]

everybody always points to his masters flop as the turning point in his game/career. however, I believe that watching DJ crush it over that lake and go on to win the playoff a couple years back at the northern, affected his ego in a unique way that the masters flop did not, and is the reason we're seeing what we see now. ever since then he's been on an apparent quest for that few extra MPH, and im sure the conversation he had with mccormick regarding this went something along the lines of, "i dont care how it affects my game or what i need to do to achieve it, but i want more ballspeed...".

once YJS goes back to playing "his" game, and swinging within himself, aka being content with 165ish ballspeed with the driver, then he'll find his form again.
you can tell that he wants that 175+ ballspeed action SO BADLY lol, but all he seems to be garnering is timing issues mixed in with the odd low 170 ballspeed drive that actually finds the short stuff. he's destined for the korn ferry tour (or maybe not even?)  if he keeps this up.

he needs to get his ego in order.

Edited September 20, 2020 by LifeStory

[Shilgy]

18 hours ago, farmer said:

At his best, YJS led the tour in strokes gained driving and in strokes gained with approaches.  He wasn't just playing with smoke and mirrors and short game.  He might be better off to forget teachers and practice.  Go play until the old stuff re-surfaces.

Amazing how many folks forget that. For a few years he was an elite ballstriker...even as compared to the other elite strikers. And yet for some reason many seem to think he just scuffed it around the course and made putts.

[BCC1898]

Keyboard warriors criticizing a 3 time Major Champ. Hahahahaha!

[bladehunter]

Lol.  One Jordan hate group wasn’t enough ?  Hilarious. 

[bladehunter]

21 hours ago, farmer said:

At his best, YJS led the tour in strokes gained driving and in strokes gained with approaches.  He wasn't just playing with smoke and mirrors and short game.  He might be better off to forget teachers and practice.  Go play until the old stuff re-surfaces.

Yep. The haters of him here act as if they’d beat him in their Saturday morning 4 ball.  He led in near everything.  Those claiming long putts and flukes are showing their ignorance.  

[jimb]

To me, Jordan's problems begin with that weird grip he has.  The left hand is in a very weak position.  It seems to me that would require a great deal of manipulation to get the face squared up at impact.  Other players, like Collin Morikawa have a very weak left hand grip, but bow the wrist at the top and that's why he can hit that soft fade.  But Jordan's real problem is the putter.

Edited September 21, 2020 by jimb