Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[Greg_B]

1 hour ago, capking said:

Shocking the commentary crew needed to be corrected by the rules official... again

That was hilarious when Nobilo expounded on what he believed the proper procedure was and Tackett had to say “Actually, that’s not right”. 🤣

[BaltimoreLefty]

Obviously Patrick knows he has a history of public cheating allegations (kicked out of UGA for it, additional at Augusta St., bunker in Bahamas, etc), so moving forward a normal person with any sort of sense would go out of their way to make sure no improprieties could be leveraged against them.

 

However, he continually finds himself in these predicaments... 

 

So what is more likely, that for his entire life he has been unfairly accused of cheating at virtually every level of his playing career, or that he is a serial cheater? 

[Hawkeye77]

3 minutes ago, One Putter said:

 

 

 

Go to the :25 mark. There are multiple people standing right there looking at him as he assesses and takes relief. Anything sketxhy he could possibly be doing, they would see it and call him out.

 

But they don't, because they see what he is doing, with their eyeballs, and also he's not a cheating cheater with a history of cheating.

Really not interested in any of that, just amazed "sketxhy" got past any primitive kind of spell check. 

[One Putter]

5 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

He deserved the win. I’ve said it many times what a good player he is.

 

shame you can’t separate that from his behaviour

This. Nobody saying cheater isn't good at golf. To just brush this off as "hating" really pisses me off because it completely misses the point.

Edited February 1, 2021 by One Putter

[One Putter]

Just now, Hawkeye77 said:

Really not interested in any of that, just amazed "sketxhy" got past any primitive kind of spell check. 

Be careful, someone might call you immature

[t4t3r]

I’ve posted a lot on the thread and while the Rory video was enough to say that the ruling in each case was correct based on the rule(s), I do think there is some difference in how each player handled it, one having some more questionable elements to it than the other. Purely my opinion and I have no issue with someone who disagrees....

 

However..

 

One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned after seeing Rorys post round media interview that struck me as interesting: Rory was careful to mention multiple times that, “on his life, his ball was embedded in its own pitch mark.” 
 

In all of the interviews since yesterday with Reed, I can’t recall him ever genuinely defending himself by saying that his ball was embedded, just that he followed the procedure for an embedded ball. He said the same things over and over regarding the rules officials calling his procedure perfect, but none that I can recall had any resemblance to, “my ball was embedded because of ‘xyz’ reason.”

 

Just an observation that I thought was interesting.

[Golfrnut]

2 minutes ago, the bishop said:

The spotters and marshals yes.  But they're not there to assess his lie just to point out where the ball is.  To be embedded doesn't mean buried.  Just has to break the surface.  Those people aren't going to try and evaluate that.

Meanwhile Reed has spotters and a camera crew with him. Yet, I guess they just weren’t close enough. Double standard as the come. 

[puttfordoux]

What are Reed's chances at the Hall of Fame? About as good as Barry Bonds?

[bscinstnct]

6 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

He deserved the win. I’ve said it many times what a good player he is.

 

shame you can’t separate that from his behaviour

 

I think Reed cheated with the sand.

 

But here? He did the same thing as Rory.

 

Are you sure you’re not being prejudicial here?

 

Dont buy into the Faldo/GC hype. 
 

 

Plus, these guys should be sending “thank you” texts to PR for a little excitement already ; )

Edited February 1, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Yuck]

2 hours ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Man I wish Tony would get over the hump. He just seems like such a classy person. 

Just think if Tony could close like Patrick.

[Golfrnut]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

I’ve posted a lot on the thread and while the Rory video was enough to say that the ruling in each case was correct based on the rule(s), I do think there is some difference in how each player handled it, one having some more questionable elements to it than the other. Purely my opinion and I have no issue with someone who disagrees....

 

However..

 

One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned after seeing Rorys post round media interview that struck me as interesting: Rory was careful to mention multiple times that, “on his life, his ball was embedded in its own pitch mark.” 
 

In all of the interviews since yesterday with Reed, I can’t recall him ever genuinely defending himself by saying that his ball was embedded, just that he followed the procedure for an embedded ball. He said the same things over and over regarding the rules officials calling his procedure perfect, but none that I can recall had any resemblance to, “my ball was embedded because of ‘xyz’ reason.”

 

Just an observation that I thought was interesting.

They were already showing video of it in real time. He got to see the footage after the fact so why would he claim that. Rory, on the other hand, had no idea. Both of them, at the time, went off the notion that neither ball bounced. That the info both players had at the time. There’s nothing there, different info received at different time. 

[deadsolid...shank]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

I’ve posted a lot on the thread and while the Rory video was enough to say that the ruling in each case was correct based on the rule(s), I do think there is some difference in how each player handled it, one having some more questionable elements to it than the other. Purely my opinion and I have no issue with someone who disagrees....

 

However..

 

One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned after seeing Rorys post round media interview that struck me as interesting: Rory was careful to mention multiple times that, “on his life, his ball was embedded in its own pitch mark.” 
 

In all of the interviews since yesterday with Reed, I can’t recall him ever genuinely defending himself by saying that his ball was embedded, just that he followed the procedure for an embedded ball. He said the same things over and over regarding the rules officials calling his procedure perfect, but none that I can recall had any resemblance to, “my ball was embedded because of ‘xyz’ reason.”

 

Just an observation that I thought was interesting.

Fair points.  Appreciate the spirited but civil back and forth. 

[milesgiles]

1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:

 

I think Reed cheated with the sand.

 

But here? He did the same thing as Rory.

 

Are you sure you’re not being prejudicial here?

 

Dont buy into the Faldo/GC hype. 

 

 

I explained why it wasn’t the same

 

sky have their own commentators so I’ve no idea what Nobilo and Faldo said

[Bubb]

We can now add Xander and Lanto to the long list of Reed’s contemporaries who openly question his integrity.

[the bishop]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

I think Reed cheated with the sand.

 

But here? He did the same thing as Rory.

 

Are you sure you’re not being prejudicial here?

 

Dont buy into the Faldo/GC hype. 

Exactly.  A lot of Reed's previous actions are both inexcusable and indefensible.  But each instance should be evaluated on its own merits and I understand increased scrutiny regarding Reed.  But he did nothing worthy of a penalty here, the closest thing being those who noted he palmed the ball before he got his ruling, which if relief had been denied he might have been liable for having cleaned the ball through his palming actions.  I'm not saying either Reed or Rory cheated or bent the rules because like anyone else we couldn't actually see the lies.  But GC and Brandel are now sticking with the "Rory's ball came down in its own pitch mark" line so they can continue to try and vilify someone having no other proof.  And I've watched that lone video of Rory's ball about 50 times and I don't buy that it came down in its own pitch mark.

[t4t3r]

2 minutes ago, Golfrnut said:

They were already showing video of it in real time. He got to see the footage after the fact so why would he claim that. Rory, on the other hand, had no idea. Both of them, at the time, went off the notion that neither ball bounced. That the info both players had at the time. There’s nothing there, different info received at different time. 

My point has nothing to do with what happened at the time of the incident for each but how they talked about it after the fact. Rory seemed interested in talking about why his ball was embedded and Reed talked about how he followed the rules for an embedded ball. Two completely different ways to discuss it. One strikes me as genuine and the other doesn’t.

[Holy Moses]

15 minutes ago, One Putter said:

 

 

 

Go to the :25 mark. There are multiple people standing right there looking at him as he assesses and takes relief. Anything sketchy he could possibly be doing, they would see it and call him out.

 

But they don't, because they see what he is doing, with their eyeballs, and also he's not a cheating cheater with a history of cheating.

Nobody was close enough outside of Rory to determine if his ball was embedded. Nobody was within 15 feet.

[Hawkeye77]

2 minutes ago, Bubb said:

We can now add Xander and Lanto to the long list of Reed’s contemporaries who openly question his integrity.

Rings a little hollow after getting thumped.

 

Xander says Reed got the correct ruling,  but then says he had watched no video, heard only locker room gossip but that the Tour "protected" Reed.  Doesn't really come off too well. 

[miamistomp]

 This whole thread has been more exiting than the tourney 

   Reed had hands of gold in the short game- Rory had hands like feet ... ( but he is a sweet guy )

[bladehunter]

14 minutes ago, One Putter said:

This. Nobody saying cheater isn't good at golf. To just brush this off as "hating" really pisses me off because it completely misses the point.

It’s exactly that. Hate for a Human That you are certain is evil. You feel wronged for having then seen him win 

Edited February 1, 2021 by bladehunter

[t4t3r]

3 minutes ago, the bishop said:

Exactly.  A lot of Reed's previous actions are both inexcusable and indefensible.  But each instance should be evaluated on its own merits and I understand increased scrutiny regarding Reed.  But he did nothing worthy of a penalty here, the closest thing being those who noted he palmed the ball before he got his ruling, which if relief had been denied he might have been liable for having cleaned the ball through his palming actions.  I'm not saying either Reed or Rory cheated or bent the rules because like anyone else we couldn't actually see the lies.  But GC and Brandel are now sticking with the "Rory's ball came down in its own pitch mark" line so they can continue to try and vilify someone having no other proof.  And I've watched that lone video of Rory's ball about 50 times and I don't buy that it came down in its own pitch mark.

I can understand that conclusion from watching the video, but Rory said multiple times in his interview that his ball was in its own pitch mark.

[Golfrnut]

Just now, t4t3r said:

My point has nothing to do with what happened at the time of the incident for each but how they talked about it after the fact. Rory seemed interested in talking about why his ball was embedded and Reed talked about how he followed the rules for an embedded ball. Two completely different ways to discuss it. One strikes me as genuine and the other doesn’t.

I understand what timeline you are talking about. Again, those are different scenarios.  TV coverage was on Reed when he hit that shot. It was all the buzz until he made it to the tent and to have a talk with the officials where I SURE he saw the video replays. He knew by that point his ball had bounced and wasn’t in his original pitch mark.  What’s he gonna do, say it did at the end of his round?  
 

The Rory stuff didn’t even make headlines till way later. As far as he was concerned, it was in his pitch mark and had plugged. Again, different scenarios

[miamistomp]

All in good fun !

[naylor]

This is such a microcosm of society today.

 

Media wants to determine narrative and will do so at any costs. Crazy how MSNBC hates Captain America. lol

 

There was no rules infraction. I'm not a big fan of Reed after the whole shovel incident but that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the rules were broken yesterday. 

 

[milesgiles]

2 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Nobody was close enough outside of Rory to determine if his ball was embedded. Nobody was within 15 feet.

 

Whilst I think that’s true, that’s how it is on tour. One has a reputation for fudging, one doesn’t. 

 

Sabbatini is obviously happy to take Rorys word for it. Just the way it is 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

3 minutes ago, miamistomp said:

 This whole thread has been more exiting than the tourney 

   Reed had hands of gold in the short game- Rory had hands like feet ... ( but he is a sweet guy )

And Rickie plain sucked and will earn more than both of them combined. 🙂

[bladehunter]

Just now, naylor said:

This is such a microcosm of society today.

 

Media wants to determine narrative and will do so at any costs. Crazy how MSNBC hates Captain America. lol

 

There was no rules infraction. I'm not a big fan of Reed after the whole shovel incident but that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the rules were broken yesterday. 

 

So right. My wife. Who does not follow golf is getting notifications from news outlets on “ reeds cheating”.   These clowns couldn’t hit a ball with both hands and a bass fiddle.  Yet they bow know who’s correct 

[the bishop]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

I can understand that conclusion from watching the video, but Rory said multiple times in his interview that his ball was in its own pitch mark.

And I believe he believed that but he didn't see his ball bounce and even if he did from that far away there would have been no way to tell if it came straight down or not.  All I know is what I saw on that video and to me at least it appears to go forward after the initial bounce.  But who knows?  Maybe it didn't.

[Hawkeye77]

Frank let me down.  Usually he's in there actually reading and trying to apply the rules.  I still recall the early morning Live From the day after Tiger's drop and ruling and Brandel was going full on nuts with the accusatory stuff, spirit of the rules, so what about the ruling Tiger should DQ himself and misreading and actually misrepresenting a key rule and Frank got testy and in a nice but very firm way let him have it, it was great.  Within 30 minutes the tweets were out there from 3 or 4 Golf Channel Morning Drive folks taking after Brandel and cheering on Frank, lol, including Gary Williams and Breed.  Loved it. 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[ALIF]

1 hour ago, Holy Moses said:

 

And on Saturday the statistic was for every green he hits in regulation he birdies over 60% of the time. Pretty strong work.