The USA Ryder Cup team could be a train wreck

[stinger_gc]

11 hours ago, capking said:

Should be a good golf. Europe will be stronger I think with Rahm being on a great run as well as the addition of Hovland who was pretty good at match play in college

I don't think so. Outside of Rahm no one on that team is playing well. Top down I think the US team is stronger if everyone can leave there ego out the door.

[Superbrit]

29 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Not always about putting. 2018 was about the tight fairways and thick rough. 

Its generally about putting in the fourballs, but foursomes and the singles its more about overall play, otherwise garcia wouldnt have the record he has

[bladehunter]

50 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Not always about putting. 2018 was about the tight fairways and thick rough. 

Nah. If hitting fairways is all it took.  You’d have seen a lot of 6 irons off the tee. The European players hit the rough too. Then made the putts. They made peace with the struggle of that rough.  We whined abut it and gave up. 

[bladehunter]

30 minutes ago, CasualLie said:

 

Exactly.  Much to do before you even get a putt.  You can set up the course to match any desired length, and regardless the players still have to hit the shots and find the fairways; still have to hit greens.  But that being said, you cannot have weak putters on the team, everyone is going to face crucial putts, so they need to be comfortable and confident with that.

 

Stricker has to go off script and find players who are good matchups/teammates.  

 

Almost all of these guys are strong enough tee to green.  But there are some weak putters about to be picked.  

[gvogel]

15 hours ago, bladehunter said:

So Brooks is now new to controversy?  He didn’t go at DJ ?  What about him going at Reed ?  What about him  starting it with chamblee ? And now it’s Deshambeau.  He seems to be able to insert himself into plenty of controversial conversations.  
 

which seems tp fit the title of this topic. This could be a major reason why the us team seems to be a train wreck.  I won’t lay it all on Brooks though.  Phil seemed to start this train down the tracks.  And at the time I applauded his call out of Watson. But I’m not so sure i agree with myself now. 

Rory says captains are overrated.

[bladehunter]

Just now, gvogel said:

Rory says captains are overrated.

They are as far as leadership.  The real leaders come from the teammates.  We don’t have any.  Tiger isn’t playing.  Phil only leads those who kiss his butt.  Brooks leads himself , DJ …. Is DJ …., Spieth.  Maybe if he plays well.  JT ?  He’s a bit at a loss for words I’m sure , Bryson ?  Nope , and on and on.  

[gvogel]

14 hours ago, bladehunter said:

That’s all I meant.  I know I’m on a tangent.  But I just see the Ryder cup thing as a broken idea.    I hate wanting to pull for a team and knowing ahead of time how it will go.  At least fake it enough to make me think you want  to be there , and actually tried to win.  The event in France was embarrassing. Not for the loss. For the lack of appearance of effort.  And the surrounding drama.    
 

If a group of high school kids went to an away game and acted  like they did , a coach would be well within his rights to run them to death at the next practice and or bench some guys indefinitely.  
 

last time I recall believing that an entire team for the US was on board included Keegan Bradley.  That’s been quite a while ago.  

I don't think that it is a broken idea, but I do think that the political thing has gotten way our of hand.  I really don't like all the USA chanting - which was OK in the Olympics at Lake Placid when we were the underdogs against the USSR.

 

I think the play on both sides should be cheered.  I am very lucky that I was born in the USA and I love my country, but I kind of like the guys on Team Europe, so I'll probably be pulling for them.  Again.

[Superbrit]

Does anyone know if European fans are allowed in at the Ryder cup?

[CasualLie]

5 minutes ago, Superbrit said:

Does anyone know if European fans are allowed in at the Ryder cup?

 

Only if they were already in U.S. for quite some time.  Or if it is @gvogel 😉 kidding!

 

Currently UK and Euro not allowed to travel to U.S. with only a few exemptions.

 

 

[CasualLie]

19 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

They are as far as leadership.  The real leaders come from the teammates.  We don’t have any.  Tiger isn’t playing.  Phil only leads those who kiss his butt.  Brooks leads himself , DJ …. Is DJ …., Spieth.  Maybe if he plays well.  JT ?  He’s a bit at a loss for words I’m sure , Bryson ?  Nope , and on and on.  

 

Somewhat overrated, yes. They don't hit the ball.  But given the captain has 6 picks this time out, that's important.  The rest is you can be a good captain keeping it all steady, or you can micromanage and really botch it up.  

[Superbrit]

1 minute ago, CasualLie said:

 

Only if they were already in U.S. for quite some time.  Or if it is @gvogel 😉 kidding!

 

Currently UK and Euro not allowed to travel to U.S. with only a few exemptions.

 

 

Well worked at the solheim for Europe so no reason it wont at the Ryder cup i suppose

[ChrisL52188]

26 minutes ago, CasualLie said:

 

Somewhat overrated, yes. They don't hit the ball.  But given the captain has 6 picks this time out, that's important.  The rest is you can be a good captain keeping it all steady, or you can micromanage and really botch it up.  

Hal Sutton did a terrible job of being Captain as an example.  

Edited September 7, 2021 by ChrisL52188

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, gvogel said:

I don't think that it is a broken idea, but I do think that the political thing has gotten way our of hand.  I really don't like all the USA chanting - which was OK in the Olympics at Lake Placid when we were the underdogs against the USSR.

 

I think the play on both sides should be cheered.  I am very lucky that I was born in the USA and I love my country, but I kind of like the guys on Team Europe, so I'll probably be pulling for them.  Again.

Oh I agree.  It will be even more ridiculous  this year if there’s no opposition to cheer against them.  

[Holy Moses]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Nah. If hitting fairways is all it took.  You’d have seen a lot of 6 irons off the tee. The European players hit the rough too. Then made the putts. They made peace with the struggle of that rough.  We whined abut it and gave up. 

6 iron off a 450 yard par 4 or long par 5? Aint happening. 

[Holy Moses]

3 hours ago, gvogel said:

Rory says captains are overrated.

He’s never had the displeasure of playing for bad American captains. Captains aren’t the biggest factor, but they are a factor.

[munichop]

it is more important this year because of the number of picks. SS will have a lot of critics if his half of the team doesn't perform.

[bladehunter]

37 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

6 iron off a 450 yard par 4 or long par 5? Aint happening. 

Obviously.  

[bladehunter]

11 minutes ago, munichop said:

it is more important this year because of the number of picks. SS will have a lot of critics if his half of the team doesn't perform.

Might be interesting if the captains picked all the players. 

[capking]

8 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

I don't think so. Outside of Rahm no one on that team is playing well. Top down I think the US team is stronger if everyone can leave there ego out the door.

The US is always better on paper, this isn’t stroke play. I just meant those 2 in particular I think can make a difference before single matches.

[ALIF]

4 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

6 iron off a 450 yard par 4 or long par 5? Aint happening. 

Is that you Kiz?

[ATLgopher]

9 hours ago, gvogel said:

I don't think that it is a broken idea, but I do think that the political thing has gotten way our of hand.  I really don't like all the USA chanting - which was OK in the Olympics at Lake Placid when we were the underdogs against the USSR.

 

I think the play on both sides should be cheered.  I am very lucky that I was born in the USA and I love my country, but I kind of like the guys on Team Europe, so I'll probably be pulling for them.  Again.

It’s a competition, US vs Europe. Chanting your teams name upsets you….wow

[stinger_gc]

1 hour ago, capking said:

The US is always better on paper, this isn’t stroke play. I just meant those 2 in particular I think can make a difference before single matches.

Good point. I'm hoping having Tiger or Phil on the sidelines this time is a help. I'm a little worried about Morikawa going into the Ryder Cup. He got the injury in Tokyo and as a result has played like crap. I think Cantlay and JT will win 3-4 pts each.  Thomas is a beast in these team events (his record is as follows 2017 Pres Cup: 3-1-1, 2018 Ryder Cup 4-1, 2019 Pres Cup: 3-1-1 again) and I think Cantlay is the best player in the world at the moment.

[tw_focus]

TW on the sidelines is worth 40,000 fans, at least a few points in the competition. But I don't think it will happen.

[capking]

4 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Good point. I'm hoping having Tiger or Phil on the sidelines this time is a help. I'm a little worried about Morikawa going into the Ryder Cup. He got the injury in Tokyo and as a result has played like crap. I think Cantlay and JT will win 3-4 pts each.  Thomas is a beast in these team events (his record is as follows 2017 Pres Cup: 3-1-1, 2018 Ryder Cup 4-1, 2019 Pres Cup: 3-1-1 again) and I think Cantlay is the best player in the world at the moment.

That’s fair, but Cantlay also probably wouldn’t of won last weekend if Rahm doesn’t get pulled from the memorial. 
 

Morikawa has been irrelevant since the British Open. Not trying to take anything away from him but after he won he hasn’t exactly been contending.

 

My whole point is OWGR don’t matter once the matches start.

[capking]

5 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Good point. I'm hoping having Tiger or Phil on the sidelines this time is a help. I'm a little worried about Morikawa going into the Ryder Cup. He got the injury in Tokyo and as a result has played like crap. I think Cantlay and JT will win 3-4 pts each.  Thomas is a beast in these team events (his record is as follows 2017 Pres Cup: 3-1-1, 2018 Ryder Cup 4-1, 2019 Pres Cup: 3-1-1 again) and I think Cantlay is the best player in the world at the moment.

JT is also the wild card dunno how he’ll play. I remember that whole pointing to his putter grip thing and wonder how he’ll fair in a not an almost sure win event. 

[stinger_gc]

7 hours ago, capking said:

JT is also the wild card dunno how he’ll play. I remember that whole pointing to his putter grip thing and wonder how he’ll fair in a not an almost sure win event. 

JT's starting to play well again. He's got 2 top 5's in the last 3 tournaments. Tee-to-green he's been one of the best players this year, Top 10 in the following categories- SG: Approach and SG: Tee to Green. He's also top 10 in Eagles/Birdies made. If he putts well he'll be unbeatable at the RC.

Edited September 8, 2021 by PHILsThemannnn

[munichop]

Let’s hope the RC doesn’t come down to Tony Finau having to make a key putt.  That being said he played singles well in France. No Reed, Simpson, I am ok with that.

[MattyO1984]

Well that’s the US Team confirmed them. The six captains picks:-

 

Daniel Berger

Harris Einglish

Tony Finau

Xander Schauffele

Scottie Scheffler

Jordan Spieth

 

The biggest story is likely there being no room for Patrick Reed.

[ThinkingPlus]

2 minutes ago, MattyO1984 said:

Well that’s the US Team confirmed them. The six captains picks:-

 

Daniel Berger

Harris Einglish

Tony Finau

Xander Schauffele

Scottie Scheffler

Jordan Spieth

 

The biggest story is likely there being no room for Patrick Reed.

Of all the names, you misspelled English.  LOL!

[MattyO1984]

1 minute ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Of all the names, you misspelled English.  LOL!

 

Haha!! No idea how I even managed to do that 😂