Does the Japanese press follow Morikawa?

[ChaosTheory]

As wild as the press in Japan is for their home country players, I wonder if that extends to Americans of Japanese ancestry.  Anyone know?

[RobotDoctor]

Probably not.  The Japanese generally view those of us with Japanese descendants mixed with another nationality as Gaijin.  That’s not to say it’s a bad thing or a good thing.  It is what it is.  

[ebrasmus21]

He seems like a nice young man, regardless 

[RobotDoctor]

2 hours ago, ebrasmus21 said:

He seems like a nice young man, regardless 

He does seem like it.  He is well spoken, thoughtful and most of all, respectful.  He will be an outstanding Champion Golfer for 2021-2022.

[Oldboy]

Naomi Osaka seems to be pretty popular in Japan. Popular enough to represent them for the Olympics. I think times are changing. And now I’m reading she’s getting “blacklash” for it here in the states🙄

 

Morikawa will have to fight Hideki for press. That’s gonna be tough

[MtlJeff]

He's huge here, because he went to La Canada high school.

[Loki]

5 hours ago, Oldboy said:

Naomi Osaka seems to be pretty popular in Japan. Popular enough to represent them for the Olympics. I think times are changing. And now I’m reading she’s getting “blacklash” for it here in the states🙄

 

Morikawa will have to fight Hideki for press. That’s gonna be tough

She was born in Japan...

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I watched the Japanese coverage. They brought up the fact he has a Japanese-American father (and a Chinese-American mother) and few times, and the telop at one point was something like "Victory in sight for Morikawa, who has roots in Japan" (日本にルーツのモリカワ, IIRC). The commentators also mentioned how it's been a good year for golfers with some relation to Japan; obviously Matsuyama Hideki, but also Yuka Saso winning the Ladies' USOPEN and Nasa Hataoka coming runner-up, and Morikawa winning the British Open). 

 

So it's mentioned, and is a bit of a point of pride, because, hey, everyone likes a winner. 

[ebrasmus21]

14 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

He's huge here, because he went to La Canada high school.

One of my clients has a son that played high level junior golf in California.  They were around Collin a lot while the boys were juniors and my client told me it isn’t a show for the cameras - Collin is respectful and nice to everybody and has always been that way. 

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, ebrasmus21 said:

One of my clients has a son that played high level junior golf in California.  They were around Collin a lot while the boys were juniors and my client told me it isn’t a show for the cameras - Collin is respectful and nice to everybody and has always been that way. 

He's one of my favorite players because he's genuine. I'll pull for him over brooks or bryson every time. Spieth is the same way - genuine. Really didn't care which one won yesterday as long as one of them.did.

[Oldboy]

12 hours ago, Loki said:

She was born in Japan...

But raised in America. 

[Soloman1]

Jus sanguinis (right of blood) vs. jus soli (right of birthplace).

 

Japan, like most nations in Europe, Asia and Africa and Oceana follow jus sanguinis, meaning the parental nationality determines/confers citizenship to a child.

 

The US follows both. A US citizen abroad confers US citizenship to a child born abroad, and any child born in US territory has automatic US citizenship.

 

Naomi Osaka is an interesting case.

 

Naomi Osaka's mother is Japanese and father is Haitian. She has both of those citizenships, but technically was required to renounce her Haitian citizenship to maintain her Japanese citizenship after age 19.

 

Born in Japan and moved to the US with her parents at the age of three.

 

The press has wrongly assumed that she has US citizenship. There is no evidence that she was ever and American citizen. She has answered the questions in a a very cagey manner, saying "technically" she is not American.

 

There are two questions. One, how did her parents legally reside in the US? Her father was in the the US on a student visa and traveled to Japan on a school trip, meeting her mother while her mother was still in high school.

 

He moved to Japan and married her, so he then had a spouse visa to reside in Japan legally. The mother was the bread winner.

 

They claimed to have moved to the US in 2000, but there were no visas issued to anyone from Haiti after 1999 (confirmed through the Immigration and Naturalization website). It would have been virtually impossible for the father and mother (and Naomi) to have obtained a green card for residency, considering their different citizenships and no marketable skills, in addition to the father not residing in the country of his citizenship.

 

Unfortunately, their only option might have been to arrive on a 90-day tourist visa to visit the father's parents, who were living in NYC. The father was an adult, non-dependent of the parents, so they most likely overstayed the visa and were therefore illegally in the country after that.

 

You could not apply for green card from within the US if you were not on a legal visa of some other type. You cannot apply for a green card from a tourist visa. All applications must go through the embassy or consul in the country of citizenship.

 

Question two is more difficult.

 

The press lacks even rudimentary understanding of US immigration and citizenship laws. One ignorant reporter wrote that Naomi Osaka renounced her US citizenship, then others copied the same mistake over and over.

 

She did not renounce US citizenship, because she never had it.

 

And, if she did have US citizenship (virtually impossible unless documents were forged) it would be recorded in The Federal Register. It is required by law that the names of Americans renouncing citizenship must be listed in the Federal Register. And, they must renounce their citizenship at an embassy outside of the US.

 

A. Her name is not listed in The Federal Register. She did not renounce citizenship... if she had it. The quarterly reports are open to the public here:

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/quarterly-publication-of-individuals-who-have-chosen-to-expatriate

 

B. If she had been a US citizen and had renounced US citizenship, as the press has mistakenly reported, she would not be allowed to reside in the US ever again, having no path to obtain a green card. Yet, she is residing in the US.

 

She has never said that she is or was a US citizen. She has been very coy and does not answer questions about it.

 

So, it's a strange case with her. She:

- purposely avoided all "renouncing US citizenship" questions by saying she took steps to renounce her "other" citizenship

- never had US citizenship

- continues to have many unanswered questions about how her parents immigrated to the US legally and I believe this may be the reason for her refusal to speak to the press.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Soloman1

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

7 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

Jus sanguinis (right of blood) vs. jus soli (right of birthplace).

 

Japan, like most nations in Europe, Asia and Africa and Oceana follow jus sanguinis, meaning the parental nationality determines/confers citizenship to a child.

 

The US follows both. A US citizen abroad confers US citizenship to a child born abroad, and any child born in US territory has automatic US citizenship.

 

Naomi Osaka is an interesting case.

 

Naomi Osaka's mother is Japanese and father is Haitian. She has both of those citizenships, but technically was required to renounce her Haitian citizenship to maintain her Japanese citizenship after age 19.

 

Born in Japan and moved to the US with her parents at the age of three.

 

The press has wrongly assumed that she has US citizenship. There is no evidence that she was ever and American citizen. She has answered the questions in a a very cagey manner, saying "technically" she is not American.

 

There are two questions. One, how did her parents legally reside in the US? Her father was in the the US on a student visa and traveled to Japan on a school trip, meeting her mother while her mother was still in high school.

 

He moved to Japan and married her, so he then had a spouse visa to reside in Japan legally. The mother was the bread winner.

 

They claimed to have moved to the US in 2000, but there were no visas issued to anyone from Haiti after 1999 (confirmed through the Immigration and Naturalization website). It would have been virtually impossible for the father and mother (and Naomi) to have obtained a green card for residency, considering their different citizenships and no marketable skills, in addition to the father not residing in the country of his citizenship.

 

Unfortunately, their only option might have been to arrive on a 90-day tourist visa to visit the father's parents, who were living in NYC. The father was an adult, non-dependent of the parents, so they most likely overstayed the visa and were therefore illegally in the country after that.

 

You could not apply for green card from within the US if you were not on a legal visa of some other type. You cannot apply for a green card from a tourist visa. All applications must go through the embassy or consul in the country of citizenship.

 

Question two is more difficult.

 

The press lacks even rudimentary understanding of US immigration and citizenship laws. One ignorant reporter wrote that Naomi Osaka renounced her US citizenship, then others copied the same mistake over and over.

 

She did not renounce US citizenship, because she never had it.

 

And, if she did have US citizenship (virtually impossible unless documents were forged) it would be recorded in The Federal Register. It is required by law that the names of Americans renouncing citizenship must be listed in the Federal Register. And, they must renounce their citizenship at an embassy outside of the US.

 

A. Her name is not listed in The Federal Register. She did not renounce citizenship... if she had it. The quarterly reports are open to the public here:

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/quarterly-publication-of-individuals-who-have-chosen-to-expatriate

 

B. If she had been a US citizen and had renounced US citizenship, as the press has mistakenly reported, she would not be allowed to reside in the US ever again, having no path to obtain a green card. Yet, she is residing in the US.

 

She has never said that she is or was a US citizen. She has been very coy and does not answer questions about it.

 

So, it's a strange case with her. She:

- purposely avoided all "renouncing US citizenship" questions by saying she took steps to renounce her "other" citizenship

- never had US citizenship

- continues to have many unanswered questions about how her parents immigrated to the US legally and I believe this may be the reason for her refusal to speak to the press.

 

 

 

 

 

 

GolfWRX needs a "フムフム、なるほど" button to go along with the "Like" and other reactions. I suggest 🤨

 

I had wondered how she had got US citizenship bearing in mind her parents' nationality and place of birth; you're now saying it's likely she never had it. 

If true, that's a tough situation to be brought up and succeed like she has.

[Soloman1]

Agree. I think there's a lot of nail biting going on in her camp now. This was クチコミ about the time she pulled out from the French Open and stopped taking questions. Money fixes everything, so I'd guess they're doing some back room deals with immigration now to get legal. But there is no way she renounced US citizenship. She couldn't live in the US. There's definitely something ずるい going on.

[Chief Penguin]

Conversely, I’ve wondered if the British press follows Harris English? 😁

[ChaosTheory]

On 7/20/2021 at 11:18 AM, Chief Penguin said:

Conversely, I’ve wondered if the British press follows Harris English? 😁

 

I had a 4th grade teacher named Mrs. English.

She was mean.

[iBanesto]

Germans are massive followers of Jordan Spieth.

 

[Baitkiller]

On 7/21/2021 at 4:08 PM, Snowman9000 said:

 

I had a 4th grade teacher named Mrs. English.

She was mean.

No s***? Me too but it was second grade. Mean as a snake.  Used to flick us behind the ear if you became a bit crooked in que.

[Hankshank]

Have to say, the year Adam Svensson made it through to the PGA tour and we learned he had his background here, that caught some attention. But not too much attention. That Willett sport his mother’s  flag on his bag is duly noticed.

 

Armand Duplantis... he get mixed reviews as a true competitior for our country. But since he joined my Golf Club, he’s a fellow countryman of mine.

[iBanesto]

34 minutes ago, Hankshank said:

Have to say, the year Adam Svensson made it through to the PGA tour and we learned he had his background here, that caught some attention. But not too much attention. That Willett sport his mother’s  flag on his bag is duly noticed.

 

Armand Duplantis... he get mixed reviews as a true competitior for our country. But since he joined my Golf Club, he’s a fellow countryman of mine.

 

Hopefully Duplantis wins gold.

[bscinstnct]

Ya, but all they ask him about is

 

 

 

Hideki

 

 

 

🤣

 

 

 

 

[tiderider]

On 7/18/2021 at 4:33 PM, Oldboy said:

Naomi Osaka seems to be pretty popular in Japan. Popular enough to represent them for the Olympics. I think times are changing. And now I’m reading she’s getting “blacklash” for it here in the states🙄

 

Morikawa will have to fight Hideki for press. That’s gonna be tough

hideki's a bit bigger, esp in the shoulders/legs ... i think he could take morikawa quite easily ... 

 

that's not hideki, but it was one of the search results for him ... i like that little move at the end ... 😐

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by tiderider

[TiScape]

On 7/18/2021 at 2:33 PM, Oldboy said:

Naomi Osaka seems to be pretty popular in Japan. Popular enough to represent them for the Olympics. I think times are changing. And now I’m reading she’s getting “blacklash” for it here in the states🙄

 

Morikawa will have to fight Hideki for press. That’s gonna be tough

Naomi is a Japanese citizen. Colin is an American citizen. So not a fair comparison. Same goes for Colin and Hideki. Solomon got into more detail and explained it much better than I could.  
Speaking of press following Japanese players in the US that have “right of blood” (thanks Solomon) No bigger sport for that than MLB. The amount of Japanese press at any MLB game that has a Japanese player participating is crazy! Most recently Shohei Ohtani. I’ve been to a few A’s/Angels games and the amount of press, and just fans in general, that are there to see Shohei is astonishing. Especially if he’s pitching. Very cool. 

[aloha b.]

I wish that the TV announcers like Paul Azinger, David Feherty, Bones and others would at least learn how to pronounce Collins last name which isn't too hard. They kept saying Morakawa and it's Morikawa. Even the British gentleman who announced Collin as the Champion Golfer Of The Year pronounced his last name correctly.

Edited July 25, 2021 by aloha b.

[ChaosTheory]

10 hours ago, aloha b. said:

I wish that the TV announcers like Paul Azinger, David Feherty, Bones and others would at least learn how to pronounce Collins last name which isn't too hard. They kept saying Morakawa and it's Morikawa. Even the British gentleman who announced Collin as the Champion Golfer Of The Year pronounced his last name correctly.

So, should it sound like morykawa?  Because the short i and short a would sound so similar as to be almost no different.

[Soloman1]

Using the roman alphabet, "i" is pronounced "ee" or like "easy" in Japanese. The letter "e" is pronounced "eh" (enter) in English.

 

An example is the store Ikea. In the US it's (mis)pronounced "eye-key-ya," but it's "ee-keh-ah" in Japanese and in the original Swedish.

 

Morikawa is Mo-ri-ka-wa. There is no equivalent English pronunciation for "ri" because the sound is not made in English. The tongue goes to the roof of the mouth to make a sound more like a mix of l and r plus eee.

 

So American pronunciation would be More-ee-ka-wa

 

Morikawa is pronounced like this is Japanese. The two kanji characters mean forest and river.

 

 

[Mustard_Tiger]

I learned a lot in this thread. Thanks especially to Soloman1.

[dlygrisse]

 

[bladehunter]

18 hours ago, aloha b. said:

I wish that the TV announcers like Paul Azinger, David Feherty, Bones and others would at least learn how to pronounce Collins last name which isn't too hard. They kept saying Morakawa and it's Morikawa. Even the British gentleman who announced Collin as the Champion Golfer Of The Year pronounced his last name correctly.

That’s just a product of the English language and american regional differences.  They technically aren’t pronouncing incorrectly unless were using the queens rules.  In which case we will all fall short.  
 

  They’re saying “Mor-e-kowa “    The eh sound being the short i.   I think what you’re hearing is Regional dialect differences.  To me they sound perfectly normal. But I’m from the part of the country that doesn’t differentiate very clearly between short i and short e sounds.  
 

 

 

[aenemated]

On 7/18/2021 at 3:26 PM, MtlJeff said:

He's huge here, because he went to La Canada high school.

 

Cañada, please 🙃