Where does Europe go from here

[amish]

Regardless of how this RC pans out, the best of Euro RC golf is aging out. If they hadn't taken Westwood, Poulter, and Sergio, who are all in there 40s, who would they have taken? Rose is also in his 40s. Casey is in his 40s. 

Edited September 26, 2021 by amish

[cdnglf]

Probably best to just dissolve the EU.

[imakaveli]

We need a task force, or a war.

[golfandfishing]

They all go back to Florida now I guess, I dunno. 
 

They will be back in 2023 with another drilling of the US. 

[Holy Moses]

The Hojgaards or Bob Macyntire or Willet or Pieters or Kinhult or Horsfield aint enough to stop the US from dominating the next 10-15 years. Better hope Sergio and the older crew has one more good Ryder Cup left in them. 

[mat562]

49 minutes ago, cdnglf said:

Probably best to just dissolve the EU.

 

Only a third of the team are from member states, so it would make sense to change the flag at least.

[Dave230]

America haven’t won away in more than 25 years so we’ll see. If anything it should make for a more interesting match as home advantage narrows the talent gap.

 

I don’t even care that much if America win the next one, all I want is a close match. Hard to care about such a walkover win. 2010 and 2012 Ryder Cup were electric for drama, whereas the last few singles have been boring.

[mat562]

It is a pertinent question though. A lot of the blame for this performance is squarely down to the US having a stellar team, quite simply playing well across the board, and all but a handful of the European side turning up and playing dog track golf, so the soul searching that inevitably follows a heavy defeat should probably be tempered a bit by those factors. The simple fact is, the European team were comprehensively outplayed all week. The powers that be will have to take note of the fact that there's a changing of the guard though, with a lot of the established 'big name' Ryder Cup vets now at the very least past their best, and at worst having played their last in the event. It's all somewhat reminiscent of the mid/late '90s as Seve, Faldo, Woosie and Langer all started to ease their way out of the teams.

 

The US team is awash with young talent, and while Europe has some strong up and coming players, like the Højgaards, Migliozzi, Macintyre et al, it's tough to see where the main body of a solid team are going to come from over the next one, two and even three Ryder Cups, even if a few second- or third-timers are thrown into the mix along with Rahm, McIlroy and co.

Edited September 26, 2021 by mat562

[scott_Donald]

The thing that worries me is after seeing this one at such a good course as Whistling Straights; is now how terrible the Rome course is compared to WS, it is the players and fans that make the Ryder Cup so good but..... 

[mat562]

I agree. I've heard a few European Tour bigwigs talk about how the Ryder Cup should be used as a vehicle to showcase some of the iconic locations in Europe.

 

It's a good job Rome is the Eternal City, because that course won't be sticking in the memory of too many people after it's all done and dusted.

[Holy Moses]

I hope they can switch the course. It's that bad. 

[Fischputza]

This is where they should go immediately

[imakaveli]

40 minutes ago, scott_Donald said:

The thing that worries me is after seeing this one at such a good course as Whistling Straights; is now how terrible the Rome course is compared to WS, it is the players and fans that make the Ryder Cup so good but..... 

Marco Simone was an average course for the Italian golf standards. Now the European Tour changed everything. We'll see. Pitty they didn't spent years testing it as happened for Le National.

Edited September 26, 2021 by imakaveli

[drbonesvt]

54 minutes ago, Fischputza said:

This is where they should go immediately

Sell their sh*t on wrx bst 

 

quickly go to cavity backs 

 

buy new tour issue gear 

[PorkChopExpress]

Go back home to floridA, Texas, Arizona

do some fishing 

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, mat562 said:

It is a pertinent question though. A lot of the blame for this performance is squarely down to the US having a stellar team, quite simply playing well across the board, and all but a handful of the European side turning up and playing dog track golf, so the soul searching that inevitably follows a heavy defeat should probably be tempered a bit by those factors. The simple fact is, the European team were comprehensively outplayed all week. The powers that be will have to take note of the fact that there's a changing of the guard though, with a lot of the established 'big name' Ryder Cup vets now at the very least past their best, and at worst having played their last in the event. It's all somewhat reminiscent of the mid/late '90s as Seve, Faldo, Woosie and Langer all started to ease their way out of the teams.

 

The US team is awash with young talent, and while Europe has some strong up and coming players, like the Højgaards, Migliozzi, Macintyre et al, it's tough to see where the main body of a solid team are going to come from over the next one, two and even three Ryder Cups, even if a few second- or third-timers are thrown into the mix along with Rahm, McIlroy and co.

I posted this on the RC thread. It’s a bit shocking in black and white. Has golf participation declined rapidly in the UK?

 

I got to thinkin (oh oh; )

 

What happened to Euro golf?

 

Specifically UK. Check this out.

 

The top-10 ranked UK players

 

Rory (15)

Hatton

Casey

Fitzpatrick

Westwood (35)

Fleetwood

Rose

Poulter

Matt Wallace

Richard  Bland (93)

 

Has the UK abandoned the game of golf completely?!

Edited September 26, 2021 by bscinstnct

[DanoCanuck]

The OWGR has always favored the Americans. It never deterred previous teams. This round it might have been a bit more heavy towards the Americans but it doesn't excuse the crap play by many Euros. On any day any one of these players can beat any player on the American side. It just didn't work out, they underperformed and had a crap captain who made all the wrong moves except one, sending Rory out first this morning. About the only thing he did right. 

[Holy Moses]

5 minutes ago, DanoCanuck said:

The OWGR has always favored the Americans. It never deterred previous teams. This round it might have been a bit more heavy towards the Americans but it doesn't excuse the crap play by many Euros. On any day any one of these players can beat any player on the American side. It just didn't work out, they underperformed and had a crap captain who made all the wrong moves except one, sending Rory out first this morning. About the only thing he did right. 

There were no moves that Harrington could have performed that would have made the Europeans win. They were overmatched. 

[golfandfishing]

7 minutes ago, DanoCanuck said:

The OWGR has always favored the Americans. It never deterred previous teams. This round it might have been a bit more heavy towards the Americans but it doesn't excuse the crap play by many Euros. On any day any one of these players can beat any player on the American side. It just didn't work out, they underperformed and had a crap captain who made all the wrong moves except one, sending Rory out first this morning. About the only thing he did right. 

What exactly should the captain have done differently?

[tw_focus]

It was a sign of the times that the 2020 British Open (spelling is correct) was cancelled for the insurance money. The US has taken golf to the next level and Europe is getting lapped, even if they don't realize it yet. Golf is still a country club game in Europe, so while the elite buy their $900 Team Euro Ryder Cup polos, golf has become a game of the people here in the US. Many times more people are playing, the competition is much tougher at all levels. The best Euro players are basically Americans, Rahm went to school in the US and lives here, Rors live here, etc. If you want to play elite golf, no matter where you were born, you come to play in the USA.

 

If Europe wants to change that they need to start from square one. No easy way out.

[Holy Moses]

1 minute ago, golfandfishing said:

What exactly should the captain have done differently?

Brought back Seve and Faldo and 2012 Poulter and Old Tom Morris

[golfandfishing]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

Brought back Seve and Faldo and 2012 Poulter and Old Tom Morris

I really thought Seve was back watching Rahm and Garcia. They were amazing together, very compelling and entertaining. 

[getitdaily]

Europe is in trouble. Their young talent isn't as good as America's young talent and their core won't be in the next one...Poulter is done. Westwood is done. Rose is done. Sergio will be 44. Paul casey will be mid 40s too. They have to replace 4 or 5 guys, who are they going to be?

 

[PorkChopExpress]

Just change the team composition

 

Jack recommended it back in 79 because the US was dominating

 

Someone called here already, combine the Ryder and presidents, it’s all an exhibition anyways 

[golfortennis]

24 minutes ago, golfandfishing said:

What exactly should the captain have done differently?

 

Well, Poulter and Westwood were questionable picks.  Bernd Wiesberger sitting yesterday.  Pairing Poulter and McIlroy a second time, since getting blasted the first day didn't seem to tell anything.  I believe it was Hovland going out in foursomes even though his short game is well below the standard of some of the players that were sitting out?

 

Do these things = victory?  Likely not, but you need to put your team in the best position to succeed.  Harrington did quite poorly at that.

 

I don't know what input a captain has on the European side, but he also should have pushed to amend the qualification to not really include 2019 results.  But his hands may be tied there.

 

A number of Europeans were complaining he chose buddies.  I can sort of see Poulter *or* Westwood as picks, but it seems both was too much.  I think Lowry was a good pick, but I think recent form was not considered very much.

 

But really, where does Europe go from here?  Back to the golf course, keep playing golf.  Plenty of European teams in the last 40 years have been seen as what the future European teams appear to be, and they have won the Ryder Cup.  This isn't basketball where the best team wins most of the time.  Get drunk tonight, and forget all about it.  But there are too many people who make too much money off this thing to just leave it at that.

 

  

 

 

[golfandfishing]

1 minute ago, golfortennis said:

 

Well, Poulter and Westwood were questionable picks.  Bernd Wiesberger sitting yesterday.  Pairing Poulter and McIlroy a second time, since getting blasted the first day didn't seem to tell anything.  I believe it was Hovland going out in foursomes even though his short game is well below the standard of some of the players that were sitting out?

 

Do these things = victory?  Likely not, but you need to put your team in the best position to succeed.  Harrington did quite poorly at that.

 

I don't know what input a captain has on the European side, but he also should have pushed to amend the qualification to not really include 2019 results.  But his hands may be tied there.

 

A number of Europeans were complaining he chose buddies.  I can sort of see Poulter *or* Westwood as picks, but it seems both was too much.  I think Lowry was a good pick, but I think recent form was not considered very much.

 

But really, where does Europe go from here?  Back to the golf course, keep playing golf.  Plenty of European teams in the last 40 years have been seen as what the future European teams appear to be, and they have won the Ryder Cup.  This isn't basketball where the best team wins most of the time.  Get drunk tonight, and forget all about it.  But there are too many people who make too much money off this thing to just leave it at that.

 

  

 

 

Eh, if Westwood plays like he did in the spring and Rory shows up at all Friday and Saturday this thing could have been totally different and Poulter’s singles win the pivotal point and Harrington is a genius. Captains get too much credit and blame in this event. The players dictate 100% of the outcome.  

[milesgiles]

34 minutes ago, tw_focus said:

It was a sign of the times that the 2020 British Open (spelling is correct) was cancelled for the insurance money. The US has taken golf to the next level and Europe is getting lapped, even if they don't realize it yet. Golf is still a country club game in Europe, so while the elite buy their $900 Team Euro Ryder Cup polos, golf has become a game of the people here in the US. Many times more people are playing, the competition is much tougher at all levels. The best Euro players are basically Americans, Rahm went to school in the US and lives here, Rors live here, etc. If you want to play elite golf, no matter where you were born, you come to play in the USA.

 

If Europe wants to change that they need to start from square one. No easy way out.

 

 

I can be a member of an Open qualifying course here, near London, for about $3k per year. Far less in the regions of the uk. Public courses are typically $25 to $40

 

I take it youve never been to the uk? 

[milesgiles]

5 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

 

Well, Poulter and Westwood were questionable picks.  Bernd Wiesberger sitting yesterday.  Pairing Poulter and McIlroy a second time, since getting blasted the first day didn't seem to tell anything.  I believe it was Hovland going out in foursomes even though his short game is well below the standard of some of the players that were sitting out?

 

Do these things = victory?  Likely not, but you need to put your team in the best position to succeed.  Harrington did quite poorly at that.

 

I don't know what input a captain has on the European side, but he also should have pushed to amend the qualification to not really include 2019 results.  But his hands may be tied there.

 

A number of Europeans were complaining he chose buddies.  I can sort of see Poulter *or* Westwood as picks, but it seems both was too much.  I think Lowry was a good pick, but I think recent form was not considered very much.

 

But really, where does Europe go from here?  Back to the golf course, keep playing golf.  Plenty of European teams in the last 40 years have been seen as what the future European teams appear to be, and they have won the Ryder Cup.  This isn't basketball where the best team wins most of the time.  Get drunk tonight, and forget all about it.  But there are too many people who make too much money off this thing to just leave it at that.

 

  

 

 

 

 

fairly sure Westwood qualified automatically. Poulter was a terrible pick, Rose is obviously a better 4somes player and McIntyre had a much better year than either of them.

[SNIPERBBB]

Curious...are the younger players  from Europe as versed in match play today as their predecessors? Or has stroke play become the dominant form since many are traveling here to play collegiate golf?

Edited September 26, 2021 by SNIPERBBB

[wannabepar]

40 minutes ago, golfandfishing said:

I really thought Seve was back watching Rahm and Garcia. They were amazing together, very compelling and entertaining. 

Watching those two together this year, I started calling them the second Spanish Armada. They were truly magic together.