Tour Titleist TSR2, TSR3 & TSR4 driver & TSR2, TSR2+ & TSR3 3 wood - 2022 Travelers

[hagimihale]

@radiman, that's the design of TSR3. Its meant to maximize performance for golfers with very consistent swings.  TSR2 is meant to give consistent speed/spin #s across the face, rather than concentrate the sweet spot in one location.

 

From Titleist website: "If you are a player with a consistent impact location, then Titleist TSR3 Driver is your ticket to maximum driving performance. The new Speed Ring Face Technology creates a focused point of pure speed that can be precision-tuned to match your point of contact."

 

I tested both. My initial results favored TSR2.   Both heads were producing impact just slightly heel-side, which is my tendency.  TSR2 was giving my ballspeed about 3MPH better than TSR3.

 

I went back to GG with my gamer shaft, and had them put a heavier (+6) weight to replicate my current (D7) swingweight.  When I put the TSR3 weight in H1, it came alive. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by hagimihale

[Cactus Jack]

1 hour ago, radiman said:

What? Having spin spike when you miss doesn't seem like a design feature most OEMs would opt for lol.  I will also add that when I tested the TSR2 vs the TSR3, the 2 was producing some absolutely awful spin numbers for me.  Pretty much the opposite of what you're describing.

 

Last night I did a head-to-head, same shaft, test comparing my Rogue ST LS and TSR3.

 

I could not spin the LS above 2,700 rpms. I'm talking intentional low heal strikes, horrendous shots across the face, achieving 3,000 rpm of spin was impossible. In contrast, I could spin the TSR 3,000+ at will. Low heal strikes would jump to mid/high 3,000s...basically fairway wood spin. These drivers are the polar opposite of each other. 

 

As I've said before, I've never spun a driver in the 3,000 range ever. This isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't work for my game. Also, I'm not a tour pro. If I could dime it consistently, no doubt spin would normalize. Also, I realize my results contradict what many folks have experienced. All I know is I have my own Foresight launch monitor, I hit different heads, used the same shaft, and the TSR3 spins more for my game. 

[Unteachable]

7 hours ago, Warrick said:

Anyone playing the TSR4 with success at a lower swing speed (105ish)?

 

I can’t stand the shape and size of most modern heads, still stuck on a 2016 Callaway GBB.

Don’t be afraid to try it. I hit it way better than the tsr2 and I’m just a little faster than that 

1 hour ago, radiman said:

What? Having spin spike when you miss doesn't seem like a design feature most OEMs would opt for lol.  I will also add that when I tested the TSR2 vs the TSR3, the 2 was producing some absolutely awful spin numbers for me.  Pretty much the opposite of what you're describing.

Agree with you. I found the tsr 3 to be very consistent in ball speed and spin in the fitting and I don’t exactly live in the center. 
The bad ones I hit it jumped up a few hundred but I expected it. 
the tsr2 had higher spin all around. 
 

I would expect every driver is going to spin more on low strikes. Retention of ball speed is what separates this lineup from some of the others I’ve tested. 
but I get the real test this weekend because my new driver is coming in Thursday 

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, hagimihale said:

 

That's what the TSR3 is supposed to do.  If you hit the same spot regularly, you can adjust the weight to move the sweet spot closer to that impact point, to maximize ball speed and lessen spin if that spot is off-center. But when you miss, the spin #s will jump in comparison to the TSR2.  

 

The spin won't jump anything significantly...no more than missing the center altogether. And ballspeed isn't really impacted much either. That tsr3 fwy weight track is really more for feel and delivery. Heel/toe CoG movement on a 175cc head will have minimal affect. The only real CoG movement affect is front/back (because it affects shaft deflection) and high/low. High/low isn't really an option since it would take about 15g to start to see changes, and who's going to stick that much weight on the top of the head to help increase spin? 

 

Believe me, I've thought about doing that to a sim and sim2 ti due to their low spin for me.

[jasman29]

2 hours ago, Warrick said:

Are heavier weights available for the TSR4?

Yes they are, I got mine built with +4 heavier weights to get swingweight right at 45in

[Warrick]

9 minutes ago, jasman29 said:

Yes they are, I got mine built with +4 heavier weights to get swingweight right at 45in

So, you got a 13/5 as opposed to 11/3?

 

 Thanks 

[hagimihale]

14 hours ago, getitdaily said:

The spin won't jump anything significantly...no more than missing the center altogether. And ballspeed isn't really impacted much either. That tsr3 fwy weight track is really more for feel and delivery. Heel/toe CoG movement on a 175cc head will have minimal affect. The only real CoG movement affect is front/back (because it affects shaft deflection) and high/low. High/low isn't really an option since it would take about 15g to start to see changes, and who's going to stick that much weight on the top of the head to help increase spin? 

 

Just to clarify, my comments were about the driver, not the fairway.  I have not hit the fairways, so can't comment.

 

Regarding the driver, my results suggested otherwise.  But no reason to get into a debate.  If you are interested, hit the 3.  And the 2.  Move the weights around, and see for yourself...

Edited October 26, 2022 by hagimihale

[getitdaily]

7 minutes ago, hagimihale said:

 

Just to clarify, my comments were about the driver, not the fairway.  I have not hit the fairways, so can't comment.

 

Regarding the driver, my results suggested otherwise.  But no reason to get into a debate.  If you are interested, hit the 3.  And the 2.  Move the weights around, and see for yourself...

Yeah, with driver there will be changes. Driver has the volume to have substantial gearing effect.

[radiman]

14 hours ago, Unteachable said:

Don’t be afraid to try it. I hit it way better than the tsr2 and I’m just a little faster than that 

Agree with you. I found the tsr 3 to be very consistent in ball speed and spin in the fitting and I don’t exactly live in the center. 
The bad ones I hit it jumped up a few hundred but I expected it. 
the tsr2 had higher spin all around. 
 

I would expect every driver is going to spin more on low strikes. Retention of ball speed is what separates this lineup from some of the others I’ve tested. 
but I get the real test this weekend because my new driver is coming in Thursday 

I mean, I completely believe that the differences in the face could be at play between the models.  For instance.  I was averaging almost 3k spin with the TSR2 and the TSR4 (which is a big shocker for me but assume I must not have been hitting dead center).  When I hit the TSR3 spin average was 2200.  

 

I guess it just goes to show that there is a definite benefit to going in and trying these for yourself before pulling the trigger because results seem to vary from player to player and head to head.  I think they definitely have their bases covered between the 3 models though.  Most should be able to find something that works for them.

[Jace_bkr]

The Ho in me couldn't stand it any longer, Snagged a TSr3 9 degree head off the BST to test against my gamer (Max LS)... 

 

Only hit a few balls with it yesterday before it got dark but Initial thoughts are that it looks phenomenal behind the ball & sounds/feels just as great..

 

Will Be tough to beat out the MAX LS but I'm hopeful as it looks so damn good 😂

 

[getitdaily]

12 minutes ago, Jace_bkr said:

The Ho in me couldn't stand it any longer, Snagged a TSr3 9 degree head off the BST to test against my gamer (Max LS)... 

 

Only hit a few balls with it yesterday before it got dark but Initial thoughts are that it looks phenomenal behind the ball & sounds/feels just as great..

 

Will Be tough to beat out the MAX LS but I'm hopeful as it looks so damn good 😂

 

I already know that I'll succumb to the hoing on the tsr3 3w after TM releases their next cycle. If TM doesn't produce something stellar (adjustable hosel on the max fairway and a 57-58 lie) then I'll grab a tsr3 to get on course with. 

 

Best fairway I've seen in a really long time.

[radiman]

1 minute ago, getitdaily said:

I already know that I'll succumb to the hoing on the tsr3 3w after TM releases their next cycle. If TM doesn't produce something stellar (adjustable hosel on the max fairway and a 57-58 lie) then I'll grab a tsr3 to get on course with. 

 

Best fairway I've seen in a really long time.

Wait now.  I can't keep up with your hoing haha.  You're ready to move on from the Rogue LS?

[getitdaily]

5 minutes ago, radiman said:

Wait now.  I can't keep up with your hoing haha.  You're ready to move on from the Rogue LS?

No. It's still in the bag. I'm having a hard time getting the shaft right with it. Have my old speeder evo2 in it now (haven't hit it on course or range yet). But tsr3 was giving very similar #s and I just really like the look of it. Won't get rid of the Rogue unless the tsr3 beats it on course. If the speeder doesn't work then I'm going to try a kai'li blue 80x. 

 

On a other note, since it was cheap, I bought a m4 3w and am.putting my ventus black in it. It's a 3w I've danced around trying since it came out...so I'm going to try it...lol

[radiman]

1 minute ago, getitdaily said:

No. It's still in the bag. I'm having a hard time getting the shaft right with it. Have my old speeder evo2 in it now (haven't hit it on course or range yet). But tsr3 was giving very similar #s and I just really like the look of it. Won't get rid of the Rogue unless the tsr3 beats it on course. If the speeder doesn't work then I'm going to try a kai'li blue 80x. 

 

On a other note, since it was cheap, I bought a m4 3w and am.putting my ventus black in it. It's a 3w I've danced around trying since it came out...so I'm going to try it...lol

Love it!  I am still kicking around the idea of buying a TM tour head so I can find something with a flatter lie angle and open face.  It's going to be a long winter so who knows what 3w I will have when once we come out of it haha.  For now, it's a Titleist.  Could be a TM.  Could be a different Titleist.  Just depends on how stir crazy I get. 

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, radiman said:

Love it!  I am still kicking around the idea of buying a TM tour head so I can find something with a flatter lie angle and open face.  It's going to be a long winter so who knows what 3w I will have when once we come out of it haha.  For now, it's a Titleist.  Could be a TM.  Could be a different Titleist.  Just depends on how stir crazy I get. 

I've hit all the tsr fwys multiple times. The tsr3 didn't wow me but it didn't slack either. We'll see. This ventus black/m4 combo could be the bee's knees. It may have about 4rpm of side spin...on a bad strike 

[KingTitus]

Super intersting video...I've been debating on moving from a 9 degree TSR4 which is set to 8.25 to an 8 degree TSR3 head that I can play neutral and this video comes up. 

 

 

 

[mcc0819]

Just caved and got the tsr3 13.5 with Kai’li White 70tx.  It’s insanely good.  I previously gamed the OG Sim 14* with a speeder TR 70x and I don’t think it would ever leave the bag.  The TSr3 is much more consistent in flight and spin than the sim.  The ball speeds on slight miss hits were also much less penalized.  Though it’s not longer on average than the sim, I find much more playable with the shallow face and adjustability. 

[Lemonde]

On 10/24/2022 at 10:48 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

Everything is called a “real deal shaft” nowadays because the companies got smart and released the same shaft line that was made in quantity for a specific club maker into retail making it look like it’s a retail shaft.

 

Im not saying it’s bad or cheap it’s just more of a ‘don’t lie to me’ scenario. The shafts are being made with huge quantity orders for these club makers in mind and THEN released as a retail part for whatever price.

It’s listed on the MRC website.  A made for shaft isn’t. 

[third-times-a-charm]

1 minute ago, Lemonde said:

It’s listed on the MRC website.  A made for shaft isn’t. 

Yes it is, nowadays. Hence the charade.

[Lemonde]

Well that’s a new development. I guess when you look at it closely and there’s no boron in the tip that’s the clue? 

[third-times-a-charm]

4 minutes ago, Lemonde said:

Well that’s a new development. I guess when you look at it closely and there’s no boron in the tip that’s the clue? 

The white and orange both have pro in the name and the black does not. They all have 1k fibers in the handle but MRC doesn’t specify how much is in each. XLINK resin tech is used throughout the full shaft in the white and orange and only in the tip of the black. Also the pro white uses boron in the top and the pro orange uses MR70 in the tip while the black uses nothing. The black is also 40T fiber throughout and the white and orange pro use 46T. 

[Gtyler14]

9 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

The white and orange both have pro in the name and the black does not. They all have 1k fibers in the handle but MRC doesn’t specify how much is in each. XLINK resin tech is used throughout the full shaft in the white and orange and only in the tip of the black. Also the pro white uses boron in the top and the pro orange uses MR70 in the tip while the black uses nothing. The black is also 40T fiber throughout and the white and orange pro use 46T. 

MCA said it one of their stoutest profiles and is basically a white with less feel because of not having the extra materials. From my understand it’s achieving a certain feel and not a made for.

[third-times-a-charm]

4 hours ago, Gtyler14 said:

MCA said it one of their stoutest profiles and is basically a white with less feel because of not having the extra materials. From my understand it’s achieving a certain feel and not a made for.

Theres really no such thing as a made for anymore. The term is just still used when a shaft - behind the scenes - was made with a clubhead OEMs contract in mind, thats all. Its a separation of materials and they all 'work just fine'.

 

I mentioned this a few posts earlier by my intent on arguing these semantics is not to say a shaft doesnt perform. It's "dont piss on me and tell me it's raining".

 

With True Temper is was the Evenflow line and then the Riptide line and then the Smoke iM10 line. All Callaway contracts - Gee whiz, the riptide was orange and so was the Mavrik colors. The iM10 was green and so was the Epic colors. Imagine that!. 

 

With Fujikura it was Taylormade who wanted the Ventus name without the expensive tech in it so they made the initial run of Ventus shafts without Velocore for a huge Taylormade conract in the SIM line - which then was released to other clubmakers as stock options in 2021. When a shaft like the Tensei Black comes out and instantly goes into a new OEM head you can read between the lines easily. And the TSr line is all black and so is the Tensei Black - and there has never been a 'black' Tensei ever before. Prob a coincidence. 😂

 

MRC needed an equally "cheap" competitor to the HZRDUS Black which since it's inception has been the defacto low/low 'stock shaft' that people chose from virtually all clubmakers. It's also a "$250 shaft".

 

No shaft maker one is creating a $350 upcharge shaft and out of the goodness of their hearts providing it to a clubmaker for $55 each so they can use it for their retail rack clubs as stock. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by third-times-a-charm

[Marty86]

While that's true remember that Fuji mada Ventus shafts without Velocore to TM for their Sims. That I would quantify as a made-for since that's not even offered. 

[jasman29]

On 10/25/2022 at 4:46 PM, Warrick said:

So, you got a 13/5 as opposed to 11/3?

 

 Thanks 

Correct, mine came with 13/5 weight configuration

[uglande]

On 10/25/2022 at 4:02 PM, Warrick said:

Are heavier weights available for the TSR4?

Yes, there are some people selling the official Titleist weights for TSR but they are not plentiful. Eventually the after-market companies will be offering them online and there will be boatloads of them for cheap. But that hasn't happened yet.

 

By the way, I just figured out that the weights for the TSR2 fairway woods are the same as for the TSR2 and TSR4 drivers, meaning they are interchangeable parts, not that they are necessarily the same weight.

Edited October 27, 2022 by uglande

[Cellis]

On 10/25/2022 at 11:25 AM, Warrick said:

Anyone playing the TSR4 with success at a lower swing speed (105ish)?

 

I can’t stand the shape and size of most modern heads, still stuck on a 2016 Callaway GBB.

I fluctuate 106-109 and play TSR4. I have found more center strikes than I ever have with it as well. I love the smaller head shape and also feel like I can feel where the club is much better than a large shape head. I do not have numbers to back it up, but eye test vs TSR3, TSR4 was giving me better results and felt much better. Also with the swappable weights, I feel as though I have 2 drivers in 1 now as well.

[hagimihale]

7 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Theres really no such thing as a made for anymore. The term is just still used when a shaft - behind the scenes - was made with a clubhead OEMs contract in mind, thats all. Its a separation of materials and they all 'work just fine'.

 

With True Temper is was the Evenflow line and then the Riptide line and then the Smoke iM10 line. All Callaway contracts - Gee whiz, the riptide was orange and so was the Mavrik colors. The iM10 was green and so was the Epic colors. Imagine that!. 

 

Being on this site =  aftermarket shafts rule and OEM shafts suck.  LMAO.  I went to a fitting a few years ago, and the tech put a Riptide in my hands.  I decided that I didnt like it before I ever hit it.  And then watched it give me the best dispersion of any shaft I hit that day. Go figure.

[hagimihale]

Oh, and despite posting elsewhere a few weeks ago that I had no intention of upgrading from the TSi3....  I now have a TSR3 en route.  Had some credit at Dicks, and got a steal on an upgrade to the VA Drago.  

 

Hi, my name is Chris, and I'm a ho...

[Gareth]

So my new TSR 2 driver and TSR 3 18 degree 5 wood landed today whilst the TSR 2+ is on back order. Will take them out Saturday with the OEM supplied HZRDUS Black 4G shafts whilst waiting for the new custom fit BTG and Accra shafts to arrive.

 

Very excited to hit the course this weekend   😍

Edited October 27, 2022 by Gareth
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