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Billy Horschel and PGA Tour/DP World Tour Hypocrisy


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9 minutes ago, DaddySwagMaster said:

With regards to Billy Horschel.  Why didn't he play in the Travelers Championship?  If the PGA Tour argument is about stealing top talent to go play on another tour, that argument is hypocritical based on this example.  It's happened multiple times before too.  Sergio and others could easily have played the Travelers, but they choose to play in Europe instead.

 

Again, I understand the public perception and the prevailing agreement, but when you have PGA Tour players playing another tour at the same time a PGA Tour event is going on, and don't have a problem with it, and in fact not only allow it, but seemingly encourage it, it's hypocrisy when you come out guns blazing against the LIV Tour.

 

Taking this one step further.  So what if 20 or so players leave the PGA Tour for LIV.  Without OWGR points those 20 or so players will fade into insignificance in the next year or two.  You'll have new players taking their place on the OWGR, and winning majors, and winning PGA Tour events.  Frankly, watching Brooks leave the PGA Tour is like a breath of fresh air.  The guy is always pissed off at someone, and have you ever seen him smile once?  I live in Tallahassee, and am surrounded by everything FSU, and I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for Brooks, even as an FSU alumni.

 

Frankly, pretty much every player that has opted to go to LIV has a horrible public image, or indifferent at best.  I mean, people were celebrating Reed going there.  And Pat Perez?  Raise your hand if you even know when the last time he won a tournament was, or was relevent?  Bryson is a circus side show and is injured.  Does DJ even have a pulse?

 

I've yet to see one player going to LIV who actually gives me the impression that they will be hurting the PGA Tour by leaving.  So far, not a single player does that IMHO.

If LIV took complaining JT, i’d be all in on the PGAT and never watch LIV

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20 minutes ago, the bishop said:

The minimum requirement to maintain PGA Tour membership is 15 events/year.  That doesn't mean that if someone chooses to only play 15 events they can't play somewhere else (DP World Tour for example) on weeks they don't play the PGA Tour. Unless it's the LIV tour now of course.

I'm not a lawyer but I wonder if this may be a vulnerability for the PGA tour. Even though players are not employees I can see them having the ability to say if you accept membership with us you cannot play on other tours without approval.  Perhaps it becomes slippery when they grant permissions for certain events and not others.  They announced suspensions for players who played in London, they didn't wait for the first US event.  It's a reasonable assumption those players will play in the US based events but does that matter.  I imagine there's going to be a lot of lawyers making good money on this issue

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18 minutes ago, Cincy_Ken said:

I'm not a lawyer but I wonder if this may be a vulnerability for the PGA tour. Even though players are not employees I can see them having the ability to say if you accept membership with us you cannot play on other tours without approval.  Perhaps it becomes slippery when they grant permissions for certain events and not others.  They announced suspensions for players who played in London, they didn't wait for the first US event.  It's a reasonable assumption those players will play in the US based events but does that matter.  I imagine there's going to be a lot of lawyers making good money on this issue

Restraint of Trade comes to mind.

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It all comes down to the minimum number of events a member has to play in order to retain membership on the tour. The majors, The Players + WGC events count so realistically they only need to play 2-3 other events to retain membership on the DP World Tour.  PGA Tour is 12 tournaments (could stand corrected) so minus the 8-9 "major" tournaments a member would have to play 3-4 other events to retain membership provided they are in the top 125.

 

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28 minutes ago, Tpfol said:

As for Horschel, its a non-starter. The PGA tour has a "strategic alliance" with the LP tour and routinely allows players to play in events there provided they receive permission, which I am assuming was requested and granted.

 

Even before the partnership may players have maintained dual membership for years.  I believe all Ryder Cup players have to be Euro tour members; I believe that's why Casey didn't play for a long time.

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1 hour ago, Dave230 said:

The European (DP World Tour) have no events on American soil clashing with the PGA Tour, which is the key to the whole argument. Next week's event goes directly against the John Deere classic on American soil, taking a number of formerly PGA Tour players. The European Tour and PGA Tour always co-existed because they played for different geographical markets. And they even worked together so their tournaments wouldn't clash. Sergio Garcia has been playing both tours for over 20 years.

 

LIV Tour is going directly up against the PGA Tour in their territory, that's the difference.

This is a red herring.  IMO, it's not a question of where.  It's a question of who. 

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As it's pointed out, the PGA and DP are essentially sister tours so is it not the same thing if I elect buy a dozen balls from Golf Galaxy or Dicks vs buying from Amazon? Or choosing between Srixon and Cleveland irons vs Taylormade? 

 

Its clearly choosing between options that work together and complement each other or choosing another entity that is actively trying to take down the two sisters.

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1 hour ago, seis said:

I am one of the few on this site I think that like to watch Billy Horschel. If you know of him off the course he seems to be kind of a Europhile. He has played overseas more often recently and is a Euro soccer fan. This may explain more than a supposed ulterior motive for playing on the DP Tour this week, that and maybe some appearance money. He seems to be popular with golf fans overseas.

I’m not sure if overseas fans know who Horschel is.  They just like a pro who calls them buddy.  

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I can't see any logical reason that the Tour would deny Horschel a release when Travelers had commitments from the top four of the FedEx cup standings, along with half of the OWGR Top 10 + Spieth (OWGR #11 now 😪), Finau, Xander, etc.  That's a strong showing for Travelers and the fans this week, which translates into happy sponsors who won't notice that BH isn't in the field.

 

A player asking for a 8-14 or more releases annually for another tour, directly opposite PGA Tour events in the meat of the schedule, is quite another thing that's understandably not going to fly. Another tour that no sponsors would touch with a 10ft pole anyway doesn't have to even consider those things. Sure, play wherever you want when they don't have an event in that case, it only helps them...

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