Is pro golf hard on the body physically?

[vbb]

40 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

 

Years back we entered the "poor entitled me" world, that includes golf.  Oh, that hurts, ouch, pain, can't do it, have to though, what else can I do to make a million dollars?  

 

IMO lots of lazy people with entitled mentalities, don't want to put in the work but want money. 

I don't want to be an old curmudgeon, especially since I'm still in my early 40s, but yeah...I think I agree with this. And hey, if someone out there will pay you untold millions to do less, it isn't my place to tell you not to take it. Not at all. But I am certainly entitled to my opinions on what that says about your character, for whatever that's worth.

 

Again, I felt like what some of the guys were saying was utter BS and that the physical toll the pro golf game was taking was minor compared to the money they were getting paid...but I was (and still am) willing to be convinced that perhaps I'm oversimplifying it, and pro golf really is such an overwhelming grind that it makes sense why people are looking for a way out.

[bladehunter]

6 hours ago, golfandfishing said:

Maybe the first two, but those two keep their jobs even if they aren’t the best 200 or so on the planet. The doctors?  Lol. Laziest group of people on the planet for the most part. Less than 1% have demanding jobs. 

Wish I could like that 5k times.    Doctors I could write a book.  If you’re not an ER doc or in residency , you ain’t killing yourself. If your in private practice and it’s a well established practice - you are like a deity if you’ve set it up correctly.  Your the center of your orbit. Might not be wealthy if you chose bad specialty. . But in your building - please. They don’t even dictate their own notes now , much less enter their own notes into a chart manually.   They have a scribe that follows them lane to lane. Pareach !! Lazy doesn’t cover it.    It’s to the Point that they dont have a grasp on reality anymore.  So they can’t even see it.  Generalizing for sure. I can name a few old school surgeons  that are micro managers and extremely hands on.  But they are a non existent minority 

[physasst]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Wish I could like that 5k times.    Doctors I could write a book.  If you’re not an ER doc or in residency , you ain’t killing yourself. If your in private practice and it’s a well established practice - you are like a deity if you’ve set it up correctly.  Your the center of your orbit. Might not be wealthy if you chose bad specialty. . But in your building - please. They don’t even dictate their own notes now , much less enter their own notes into a chart manually.   They have a scribe that follows them lane to lane. Pareach !! Lazy doesn’t cover it.    It’s to the Point that they dont have a grasp on reality anymore.  So they can’t even see it.  Generalizing for sure. I can name a few old school surgeons  that are micro managers and extremely hands on.  But they are a non existent minority 

Well, that's easy. If we are too lazy for you, don't come see us when you need help. Personally, we don't have scribes at Mayo Clinic, I dictate all my notes, I work 60-70 hours every week, and that doesn't even count the coming in at 5 am many mornings to work on research projects, grant funding, etc.. Not to mention making decisions daily that dramatically impact peoples lives. Those weigh on you, more than anyone who hasn't practiced medicine can ever understand. Especially when something goes wrong, or a patient has a bad outcome. Or when you have to give devastating news to a patient...We have some of the highest burnout and suicide rates of any profession, but yeah.....we're lazy.  I'd never say that practicing medicine is the hardest job physically, but mentally and emotionally, it is among the most exhaustive. Especially at this time. I know many of my colleagues that are just leaving medicine altogether. There's entire websites to show physicians how to leave medicine and make money doing something else. 

[jonsnow]

22 minutes ago, physasst said:

Well, that's easy. If we are too lazy for you, don't come see us when you need help. Personally, we don't have scribes at Mayo Clinic, I dictate all my notes, I work 60-70 hours every week, and that doesn't even count the coming in at 5 am many mornings to work on research projects, grant funding, etc.. Not to mention making decisions daily that dramatically impact peoples lives. Those weigh on you, more than anyone who hasn't practiced medicine can ever understand. Especially when something goes wrong, or a patient has a bad outcome. Or when you have to give devastating news to a patient...We have some of the highest burnout and suicide rates of any profession, but yeah.....we're lazy.  I'd never say that practicing medicine is the hardest job physically, but mentally and emotionally, it is among the most exhaustive. Especially at this time. I know many of my colleagues that are just leaving medicine altogether. There's entire websites to show physicians how to leave medicine and make money doing something else. 

I had a feeling this was coming. Not sure where the idea doctors are lazy came from, got several friends who are GPs & a couple of family members who are surgeons. Lazy is about the farthest thing I can think of from my impression of their work ethic. 

[vbb]

I'm new to the "Doctors are lazy" take. Literally never heard that one before this thread. But aren't we a little far afield from the topic/discussion?

[khalespace]

5 minutes ago, vbb said:

I'm new to the "Doctors are lazy" take. Literally never heard that one before this thread. But aren't we a little far afield from the topic/discussion?

Many doctors are greedy, ambitious but you should never used the term "lazy" to describe them. Medical school is tough and no one lazy can get through it.

 

I don't know how pro golfers do it 8 to 10 hours a day every day. Sometimes I have too much free time but I can never practice for more than 2 hours a day.

Edited June 29, 2022 by khalespace

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, physasst said:

Well, that's easy. If we are too lazy for you, don't come see us when you need help. Personally, we don't have scribes at Mayo Clinic, I dictate all my notes, I work 60-70 hours every week, and that doesn't even count the coming in at 5 am many mornings to work on research projects, grant funding, etc.. Not to mention making decisions daily that dramatically impact peoples lives. Those weigh on you, more than anyone who hasn't practiced medicine can ever understand. Especially when something goes wrong, or a patient has a bad outcome. Or when you have to give devastating news to a patient...We have some of the highest burnout and suicide rates of any profession, but yeah.....we're lazy.  I'd never say that practicing medicine is the hardest job physically, but mentally and emotionally, it is among the most exhaustive. Especially at this time. I know many of my colleagues that are just leaving medicine altogether. There's entire websites to show physicians how to leave medicine and make money doing something else. 

Edit -   Not worth the argument.   Both of us are correct depending on where you point.    I’ve just been in the back room where the sausage is made.  Can’t Un see it. 

Edited June 29, 2022 by bladehunter

[golfandfishing]

57 minutes ago, vbb said:

I'm new to the "Doctors are lazy" take. Literally never heard that one before this thread. But aren't we a little far afield from the topic/discussion?

I’m sorry I brought it up, definitely distracted from a worthwhile topic by the OP. Also not sure why saying golf is physically demanding somehow means other sports are not. This shouldn’t be an either/or situation. Tour golf is physically demanding for sure. So is baseball, football, tennis, etc., this doesn’t make other sports less physically demanding somehow. 

[physasst]

1 hour ago, jonsnow said:

I had a feeling this was coming. Not sure where the idea doctors are lazy came from, got several friends who are GPs & a couple of family members who are surgeons. Lazy is about the farthest thing I can think of from my impression of their work ethic. 

Correct, and even in places that have scribes, this is usually put in place by the institution to force the physician and/or providers to see more patients. It’s all about revenue generation and RVUs. It’s not really about patient care anymore. Also, very few physicians own their own practices anymore. That is quickly becoming an obsolete thing. Almost everyone that’s a physician has a boss. Usually a hospital system that owns their practice.

[golfortennis]

8 hours ago, golfandfishing said:

It’s certainly not as demanding as football or baseball, but of course it is demanding. Do this next week:  Sunday night fly to a new city, check into a hotel and on Monday morning go to a difficult course and practice for 4 hours. On Tuesday play 18 holes and practice more. On Wednesday play 18 holes with 4 guys you don’t know who want to 69 with you and expect you to be the enthusiastic one. On Thursday through Sunday play 18 holes, practice afterwards twice. Sunday night fly to a new city and do all of this again until the next Sunday. Then do it all again except the Monday is a corporate outing where you give a clinic and play one hole with each group of a 144 player shotgun. 

 

Thats a pretty typical, maybe even light on the practice, 3 week stretch. How ya feelin?

 

 

That seems awfully specific.....  🤣

 

Just to chime in on the baseball and golf comparisons.  The big problem is people only ever see the game itself.  "Only 70 shots", or "only come to bat 3 times".  But golf is more than that.  There the hours upon hours of practice, making the same repetitive motion countless times, or the hours bent over working on your putting.  Baseball, you rarely see the work being put in in the batting cage, on the field.  These guys don't just show up at 6:30 and away we go.  

 

I think too many people fall for the media trope of "they play a kid's game for a living."  That's interesting, I never had to have a suitcase packed ahead of a ball game because right after the game we were flying out to the West Coast for a 10 day road trip.   As far as I know I was never on TV, nor did people pay money to see the games I was in. 

 

There is a physical price to playing a sport professionally.  I've read on a hockey blog about guys wondering if, for their 10 pm pickup game they should have gone to the hospital after a severe ankle sprain or stuck it out like the pros do.  WTF?  Pros do it because it's their job.  We have to go to work in the morning if we're not required.  Nobody is going to give a crap that you "sucked it up for the team."  But the aches and pains of playing any sport professionally for a modest length of time or longer will linger a lot longer than any of us can imagine.     

[bladehunter]

50 minutes ago, physasst said:

Correct, and even in places that have scribes, this is usually put in place by the institution to force the physician and/or providers to see more patients. It’s all about revenue generation and RVUs. It’s not really about patient care anymore. Also, very few physicians own their own practices anymore. That is quickly becoming an obsolete thing. Almost everyone that’s a physician has a boss. Usually a hospital system that owns their practice.

Yes.  We’re saying similar things.  Whether I’m articulating it clearly is another question.  But you are describing the issue as I see it.  Ownership.  And even if they do have it now. The goal is building up capital/ numbers for buyout.  
 

The scribe issue is just a pet peeve of mine.  In reading my own chart I can pick out language or info that was never discussed and clearly from the scribe. And I’m very well aware that most scribes are as qualified or less qualified to be a physician than I am.  😂.   That’s a low low bar.  I personally think it’s a disconnect from patient to Doc. Either  Via memory for later  and or conversation for now during the visit.  I still recall when a doc would talk.  About you. While he wrote.  Sort of a shared dialogue that when you read your chart , jogged your memory of the visit.  No longer the case.  
 

i hope you read my last post before I edited it completely.  I said part of this.   I realize there are still good physicians.  Generalizing is generally wrong.  I have no issue wearing that human fault.  I just have such a bad taste in my mouth from so many incidents. None involving my own health really.  So not as biased as I sound.   And honestly because of these I’ve never expected  to live a long life purely because I’ve seen what type care is normal if you don’t have a 24/7 partial ( not impartial ) guard sitting bedside. I’m certain the Mayo Clinic is different than what I’ve seen in my neck of the woods.  Please accept my apologies.  

[vbb]

I am the OP and I'm kind of fascinated by this doctor conversation. I just thought, outside of the non-insurance practices like cosmetic plastic surgery, doctors had to hustle pretty hard to earn the big bucks. My sister in law is a pediatrician and she seems to work very hard for not as much money as I would have expected. I know that's the lower end of the doctor incomes, but still.

 

Anyway, I'm participating in the thread jacking. 

[Creedo77]

5 hours ago, nikeblades00 said:

I've always wondered about the caddies lugging those heavy bags all week. That has to be grueling. Im in pretty good shape and walk alot with my ultralight bag and I stay stiff. How common is low back tightness and hip and knee pain for caddies? I'm assuming alot of stretching and massages.

I’ve been fortunate to not have any issues. There’s a wide range of ages out there so some guys are more banged up than others.

 

The tour strap helps even out the weight as opposed to the old days of just single strapping the bag. 
 

 

[Naptime]

Actually, doctoring is quite stressful mentally.  Nobody dies from a double bogey.

[golferdude54]

The way the current pro golfers swing today, yes. All this ground force reaction jumping at impact craze along with lifting weights is injuring more pro golfers than ever before. The early 20s pro golfers swing like they've never even changed their swing since they were 5, with ballet toes at impact and dipping their heads too much, there's an age limit to swinging like that. Rory and JT are not gonna be able to walk when they're 50, and Bryson maybe even 40. Even Morikawa had a back injury last year or 2 years ago and he wasn't even 25 then.

 

Nicklaus never lifted weights during his career and neither did Snead or Hogan or Arnold Palmer, in fact I recall Frank Stranahan being the only golfer back in the old days lifting weights and that was because he was a competitive powerlifter. Gary Player lifted some but he did more bodyweight and cardio than lifting. Spieth hampered his career a lot due to getting a bone chip injury from lifting weights. The best way to do it would probably be to master yoga and go wild with bodyweight training like Herschel Walker and resistance band training like Tom Brady, now that's optimal strength and flexibility.

Edited June 30, 2022 by golferdude54

[BlackDiamondPar5]

4 hours ago, jonsnow said:

I had a feeling this was coming. Not sure where the idea doctors are lazy came from, got several friends who are GPs & a couple of family members who are surgeons. Lazy is about the farthest thing I can think of from my impression of their work ethic. 

Yeah I also have family and friends that are specialist MDs. Lazy wouldn't even be a remotely accurate descriptor for them.  Is their job physically demanding like other hard labor discussed here? No of course not, but they still work a lot of hours and are under a lot of stress. 

 

But back to the original premise about pro golf being physically demanding. OK sure, but there are thousands of jobs that are far more demanding and abusive on the body. 

[Inexorable_Fate]

Give me a break with this boo hoo living out of a suitcase and nobody likes airports. These guys travel on private jets with their chef, masseuse, and 14 swing coaches. They stay in a luxury hotel or a house of a friend. They are not like normal Joes. They don't even cary their own bag. 

[physasst]

5 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Yes.  We’re saying similar things.  Whether I’m articulating it clearly is another question.  But you are describing the issue as I see it.  Ownership.  And even if they do have it now. The goal is building up capital/ numbers for buyout.  
 

The scribe issue is just a pet peeve of mine.  In reading my own chart I can pick out language or info that was never discussed and clearly from the scribe. And I’m very well aware that most scribes are as qualified or less qualified to be a physician than I am.  😂.   That’s a low low bar.  I personally think it’s a disconnect from patient to Doc. Either  Via memory for later  and or conversation for now during the visit.  I still recall when a doc would talk.  About you. While he wrote.  Sort of a shared dialogue that when you read your chart , jogged your memory of the visit.  No longer the case.  
 

i hope you read my last post before I edited it completely.  I said part of this.   I realize there are still good physicians.  Generalizing is generally wrong.  I have no issue wearing that human fault.  I just have such a bad taste in my mouth from so many incidents. None involving my own health really.  So not as biased as I sound.   And honestly because of these I’ve never expected  to live a long life purely because I’ve seen what type care is normal if you don’t have a 24/7 partial ( not impartial ) guard sitting bedside. I’m certain the Mayo Clinic is different than what I’ve seen in my neck of the woods.  Please accept my apologies.  

I did, and I’m sorry if I came across a bit harsh. I think the entire medical profession is a bit worn out after the last couple years. I know even in my specialty, patients are angrier, more better, less patient, and far more demanding than they have ever been. It’s tiresome. I think society as a whole is pretty angry after the last couple years and we are bearing a lot of that brunt. Let’s just talk golf.

 

M

[elwhippy]

I recall seeing the Mizuno / Nestle sponsored gym and physio trailers at Loch Lomond. A lot of young, fit looking players heading in for exercise and treatment. The modern Pro level swing is hyper aggressive and must do some serious damage. Not sure you will see the young bombers on the senior tours in 25 years time. 

[Short Pete]

The level of athleticism is way higher than it was 30 years ago. If you don't hit it 290 on the fly you don't tee it up on the Tour. So you need athleticism. The pros today are athletes, most of them work out, and the countless repetitions have to be hard on the body. 30 years ago guys like Corey Pavin could compete despite being 40 yards shorter. Where others hit 9 he hit 6, worked the ball like few others could and he made many many putts. That doesn't work anymore. Watch Bernhard Langer at Augusta. And yes, it's hard on the body playing that way and hitting your lob wedge 110 yards. Speed and control. It's almost the same in every sport. Look at tennis. Brad Gilbert was a Top Ten player for many years. The kind of game he has played is irrelevant nowadays. Everything is faster, the ball is hit harder from both sides. The strategic element is completely different nowadays.

 

But we know more about effective training that doesn't ruin the body, so it is a tradeoff.

[Bye]

It is, but along with the increased speeds the trainers are more aware of the perils and how to prevent injuries occurring.

 

A lot of it is muscle imbalances which overtime cause injury. I remember waking past Steve Elkington years ago at the old Suntory World Matchplay at Wentworth, his right shoulder was about 3 inches lower than his left. 

 

The article of elite golfers having a different shape hips has been posted on here before. That much repetition at speed is going add up over time.  

[Mike_C]

19 hours ago, amace04 said:

 

No argument to be made.

 

When's the last time you've seen a golfer snap their humerus by simply swinging a club?  Baseball is incredibly taxing on your body.   Then add in the sprinting, you've got the best of both worlds - athletic injuries from sprinting/cutting/etc, trauma injuries (hit by pitch, extreme stress on bones/joints/etc) and repetitive stress injuries (swinging/pitching, Tommy John, Obliques, etc. are super common)

 

Golf is nowhere near as taxing on the body as baseball.

 

 

A friend of mine broke his arm just like that in little league, I almost got hit by the pitch sitting in the dugout.

 

As for golf, it is physically taxing, not as much as the level as in other sports, but by the repetitions.  It doesn't take much, even from what seems like a nagging little injury to push you out from being one of the best few hundred in the world, down to being just one of the best few thousand in the world.   That is the he difference between being a tour player and  selling insurance......

[MtlJeff]

12 hours ago, Naptime said:

Actually, doctoring is quite stressful mentally.  Nobody dies from a double bogey.

 

Especially if there's a good doctor nearby, and considering most are lazy AF, a golf course is a good place to find one

 

 

 

 

 

🙂

Edited June 30, 2022 by MtlJeff

[golfortennis]

16 hours ago, khalespace said:

Many doctors are greedy, ambitious but you should never used the term "lazy" to describe them. Medical school is tough and no one lazy can get through it.

 

I don't know how pro golfers do it 8 to 10 hours a day every day. Sometimes I have too much free time but I can never practice for more than 2 hours a day.

 

I think lazy is a misplaced complaint for the arrogance a large number of them have.  There is a "how dare you question me" component, a "I've decided before you tell me anything what we're going to do", sprinkled with the fact the patient is being pushed through like on an assembly line, it can appear lazy, because the patient feels like they have made no contribution to the discussion, even though it's their own health they are discussing.

 

That's not every doctor, of course.  And in certain areas of medicine, you need that arrogance, sort of like a fighter pilot, because who wants an indecisive doctor performing heart surgery, but in most areas, the arrogant ones could stand to cool it.  I've dealt with both types, and thankfully my current GP is not among the ones I've just described.  

 

I know I'm pushing the derailing, but @physasst, why is it that docs don't tend to own their own practices anymore?

[MtlJeff]

18 hours ago, vbb said:

I don't want to be an old curmudgeon, especially since I'm still in my early 40s, but yeah...I think I agree with this. And hey, if someone out there will pay you untold millions to do less, it isn't my place to tell you not to take it. Not at all. But I am certainly entitled to my opinions on what that says about your character, for whatever that's worth.

 

Again, I felt like what some of the guys were saying was utter BS and that the physical toll the pro golf game was taking was minor compared to the money they were getting paid...but I was (and still am) willing to be convinced that perhaps I'm oversimplifying it, and pro golf really is such an overwhelming grind that it makes sense why people are looking for a way out.

 

I think everyone has a price where they will trade character for that sweet , sweet money. Myself included ....And no matter how much you make the idea of more i'm sure is always appealing.

 

I like my job now and do fine. If some company offered to 3x or 4x my salary and also guarantee it for like 10 years, except the job was boring and not challenging mentally etc....I mean i'd probably do it still.

 

Like Forrest Gump said to Lieutenant Dan when he told him they didn't have to worry about money anymore...."Good! One less thing"

[bscinstnct]

How did this get on MDs? 🤣

 

Well, years ago, my Mom had a scare with what was initially thought was liver cancer 😱

 

We got her to a hospital with specialists and the head surgeon was the biggest rock star I’ve ever seen. 
 

She was no more than 45 years old and she literally had the lives of dozens in her hands at any given time. 
 

She would be surrounded by an entourage residents and young surgeons doing rounds, each hanging on her every word.

 

She had to manage the communications and collaboration with multiple specialists for evey patient, radiologists, pulmonary, cardiac, 

 

And do it all in a fluid, every changing, landscape of diagnosis, and disease evolution. 
 

Oh, and perform surgery, of course, on patients liver/pancreatic systems. Cutting out 3/4 of someone’s liver, can you imagine?
 

And then, she had to manage her “office hours”. Assessments and follow ups, a waiting room of patients and families to whom she had deliver good news, or the worst news. 
 

Every day. 
 

Fortunately, my Mom didn’t have cancer, and it was this effective collaboration that determined the initial diagnosis, done at a non-specialist hospital, was incorrect. 
 

So, as in every profession, you got your rockstars and your underperformers. But I never thought of MDs as “lazy”

Edited June 30, 2022 by bscinstnct

[vbb]

34 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

I think everyone has a price where they will trade character for that sweet , sweet money. Myself included ....And no matter how much you make the idea of more i'm sure is always appealing.

 

I like my job now and do fine. If some company offered to 3x or 4x my salary and also guarantee it for like 10 years, except the job was boring and not challenging mentally etc....I mean i'd probably do it still.

 

Like Forrest Gump said to Lieutenant Dan when he told him they didn't have to worry about money anymore...."Good! One less thing"

Yes, I agree, everyone likely has their price.  And given the fact that money is an important aspect of the world whether we like to admit it or not, having enough money to feel secure is definitely something that I understand. 

 

Though it has wandered a bit, this thread was truly about the idea that some of the pro golfers that are now playing on the LIV tour have stated that playing less events is very important to them because of family concerns and their health.  The family concerns I understand... the travel with any professional sport is onerous and I'm sure it is nice to spend more nights at home rather than all over the place.  The health part is what I was a little confused by though.  I understand golfers get injured, and I understand nagging injuries can derail a tournament, season and sometimes a career.  I just did not think that was anything but a rare occurrence on the PGA.  In other sports we all know that one injury can end it all...football, basketball, baseball, hockey...and those injuries can happen any night at any time in a freak accident.  But in golf, I just didn't think the difference between playing 20 tournaments in a year vs. 12 from an injury prone standpoint was really a big consideration.  But maybe for a guy like Koepka, who has been injury prone... or DeChambeau, who swings so violently that he has to know his time on tour is limited, grabbing the guaranteed money right now is the only way that they can ensure they're going to make big money.

I just don't think people are avoiding golf primarily for health reasons.

[farmer]

My opinion, which counts because I'm an old guy, is that there are way too many reps, and not enough recovery.  Travel is kind of a hassle, but, c'mon. they have people who make the arrangements, they fly 1st class if not privately, they stay at the resort to which the course is affixed, or the Ritz.  They're not eating at MickeyD's, but top restaurants.  This is CEO travel, not Willy Loman flying economy to bf ND and staying in a Motel 6.

BTW, to whomever mentioned it, hanging drywall anywhere sucks.

[physasst]

9 hours ago, golfortennis said:

 

 

I know I'm pushing the derailing, but @physasst, why is it that docs don't tend to own their own practices anymore?

Mostly for financial reasons. It’s hard to run a practice. Physicians by and large want to enjoy some quality of life. A lot of the younger physicians don’t wanna work the crazy hours that older physicians used to. It’s a lot easier to simply worry about patients and medicine and not about business and finances. Plus there’s a lot of pressure to try and compete. Large academic centers will often put significant financial pressure on small practices until they are absorbed. Insurance costs are through the roof, reimbursements aren’t always great and require a lot of times for any medical specialty, not necessarily surgical, really high volumes in order to keep the doors open. Physicians just really don’t wanna deal with it anymore. But, then you end up with the medical monoliths that we have now throughout America. Back to your regularly scheduled topic.

[TiScape]

On 6/29/2022 at 3:30 PM, golfortennis said:

 

 

That seems awfully specific.....  🤣

 

Just to chime in on the baseball and golf comparisons.  The big problem is people only ever see the game itself.  "Only 70 shots", or "only come to bat 3 times".  But golf is more than that.  There the hours upon hours of practice, making the same repetitive motion countless times, or the hours bent over working on your putting.  Baseball, you rarely see the work being put in in the batting cage, on the field.  These guys don't just show up at 6:30 and away we go.  

 

I think too many people fall for the media trope of "they play a kid's game for a living."  That's interesting, I never had to have a suitcase packed ahead of a ball game because right after the game we were flying out to the West Coast for a 10 day road trip.   As far as I know I was never on TV, nor did people pay money to see the games I was in. 

 

There is a physical price to playing a sport professionally.  I've read on a hockey blog about guys wondering if, for their 10 pm pickup game they should have gone to the hospital after a severe ankle sprain or stuck it out like the pros do.  WTF?  Pros do it because it's their job.  We have to go to work in the morning if we're not required.  Nobody is going to give a crap that you "sucked it up for the team."  But the aches and pains of playing any sport professionally for a modest length of time or longer will linger a lot longer than any of us can imagine.     

Noticed it’s ‘Golf or tennis’ quoting ‘golf and fishing’. Life is good! 😊 haha