Outside of firmness I cannot separate V1 from V1x

[SUITS]

Surely I am not the only one, but I have a very hard time telling the difference between the V1 and V1x for the most part. They feel different off the club face for sure. I can hit them both with good strikes off the tee and they end up within 5 yards of each other. Mid irons I really can’t tell much other than the X seems like it’s coming of a little hotter? I don’t practice chipping and pitching enough to tell a difference there. 
Wedges I seem to get more carry out of the X. 

Maybe if I got on a monitor and delivered some consistent strikes I could decide on one. Anyone else in this boat? How did you decide? 

[Go_Blue!]

21 or 23 model?

[MChamberlain]

I personally get an extra club out of the V1X. With the driver I have an easier time playing a cut with the V1 versus a straighter more penetrating flight with the V1X. With my long irons I can hold more greens with the V1, the V1X tends to land and release more, resulting in balls running off the back of the greens. Scoring irons is where I love the soft feel of the V1 the most and as far as putting I don't find a difference with either.  

 

have not had a chance to game the 23 model yet.

Edited February 1, 2023 by MChamberlain
forgot to mention some info

[ReidE5]

3 hours ago, SUITS said:

Surely I am not the only one, but I have a very hard time telling the difference between the V1 and V1x for the most part. They feel different off the club face for sure. I can hit them both with good strikes off the tee and they end up within 5 yards of each other. Mid irons I really can’t tell much other than the X seems like it’s coming of a little hotter? I don’t practice chipping and pitching enough to tell a difference there. 
Wedges I seem to get more carry out of the X. 

Maybe if I got on a monitor and delivered some consistent strikes I could decide on one. Anyone else in this boat? How did you decide? 

If you cant see a difference in performance then I would say just decide based on feel. 

I actually learned to love the v1x today after some testing.  I had always written it off due to feeling too firm.  I realized today even the firmest ball feels soft when you can find the center of the face (rare for me usually but not today).  I need the extra height and spin of the v1x so im sticking to that style ball. 

[Jeff58]

Well, I don’t know you, can’t see you, and don’t know what equipment you use, so anything I type is a generic guess only.

 

There’s a basic premise in golf that better=longer. In the case of V1 vs. V1x, that’s not applicable. One isn’t intended to be generically longer. The main intended difference is trajectory. The V1 reaches its apex sooner, typically has a lower maximum, and rolls further due to a lower descent angle. The X (and almost all X-type balls), has a later, and in many cases higher maximum.

 

There are also many instances where a player really won’t be able to induce the variation that the two models are designed to provide. A common one is SGI irons, particularly at slower swing speeds. The club’s launch, ball speed, and spin characteristics swamp the ball’s performance window. A player may also generally have overly high or low launch and/or spin production. In these cases, a ball often acts to partially compensate, and the results are nothing like the manufacturer intended.

 

IMO- if you are actually not producing the intended results with these models, you’re wasting your money paying the extra that’s charged for them. Lower priced models will produce results that are virtually identical.

[philly2kuk]

If we are talking about the ‘21 model I see a difference as the v1x spins more on all shots for me. I hit the v1 straighter and more consistently and it was this generation where I swapped from years of v1x to the v1. I’ll be redoing the testing in a few weeks time with the ‘23.

[elwhippy]

Just arrived in our local store today. V1 feels better than last model. V1X feels really hard. Must be close to 100 compression. Also felt better than last years model. 

[Abh159]

Total distance wise they are similar for me as well, but the X definitely launches/flies higher which can be good or bad depending on the wind.

 

Where I notice the biggest difference (aside from feel) is on wedge and short iron shots. I don't play the X simply because it's not uncommon for me to suck a 9 iron or PW back of the front of the green due to how much it spins.

[Big_BenB]

15 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

Well, I don’t know you, can’t see you, and don’t know what equipment you use, so anything I type is a generic guess only.

 

There’s a basic premise in golf that better=longer. In the case of V1 vs. V1x, that’s not applicable. One isn’t intended to be generically longer. The main intended difference is trajectory. The V1 reaches its apex sooner, typically has a lower maximum, and rolls further due to a lower descent angle. The X (and almost all X-type balls), has a later, and in many cases higher maximum.

 

There are also many instances where a player really won’t be able to induce the variation that the two models are designed to provide. A common one is SGI irons, particularly at slower swing speeds. The club’s launch, ball speed, and spin characteristics swamp the ball’s performance window. A player may also generally have overly high or low launch and/or spin production. In these cases, a ball often acts to partially compensate, and the results are nothing like the manufacturer intended.

 

IMO- if you are actually not producing the intended results with these models, you’re wasting your money paying the extra that’s charged for them. Lower priced models will produce results that are virtually identical.

What model do you recommend that will provide the same spin for a player like myself who’s wasting money on them? I’ve become addicted to the spin into the green and every cheaper option I’ve tried just doesn’t do it. I shoot mid to high 80s.

[Pepperturbo]

I decide based on trajectory and how the ball behaves around the green, run-out and spin.  ProV1 and ProV1x do not behave the same for me.  However, AVX behaves much like ProV1, hard to tell the difference between those two. 

 

I play forged club heads, and use the sweet-spot most of the time, so identifying their differences is a waste, at impact they are similar.  My concern is how a ball performs in the air and down range and on the green.  Is it consistent and trustworthy on different green speeds.

 

ProV1 is too low and ProV1x spins too much off driver and irons, too high, but they are similar with wedges.  Over the years, I've played ProV1x, but Titleist has changed it to spin more; I don't need help spinning the ball.  When I found low-spin DASH, it's been in my bag ever since.  It makes an unusual click at impact, but I am past that; it gets me a bit more distance, good in wind, trajectory is ideal, yet spins nicely around the green like it's two brothers, ProV1x and ProV1.  I can throw it at the pin and know it will stick like Velcro.  It does what it's told. 

[B.Easy]

23 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

Well, I don’t know you, can’t see you, and don’t know what equipment you use, so anything I type is a generic guess only.

 

There’s a basic premise in golf that better=longer. In the case of V1 vs. V1x, that’s not applicable. One isn’t intended to be generically longer. The main intended difference is trajectory. The V1 reaches its apex sooner, typically has a lower maximum, and rolls further due to a lower descent angle. The X (and almost all X-type balls), has a later, and in many cases higher maximum.

 

There are also many instances where a player really won’t be able to induce the variation that the two models are designed to provide. A common one is SGI irons, particularly at slower swing speeds. The club’s launch, ball speed, and spin characteristics swamp the ball’s performance window. A player may also generally have overly high or low launch and/or spin production. In these cases, a ball often acts to partially compensate, and the results are nothing like the manufacturer intended.

 

IMO- if you are actually not producing the intended results with these models, you’re wasting your money paying the extra that’s charged for them. Lower priced models will produce results that are virtually identical.

This is quality commentary with good advice.

[Jeff58]

9 hours ago, Big_BenB said:

What model do you recommend that will provide the same spin for a player like myself who’s wasting money on them? I’ve become addicted to the spin into the green and every cheaper option I’ve tried just doesn’t do it. I shoot mid to high 80s.

If your swing mechanics support an X class ball, and your critical selection factor is spin and stopping power consistently across your irons, you’re the same as me. To me, there is no better ball than the V1x, and I use it religiously in competitive situations. I also do whatever I can to not have to buy them. Hunt them, use shop credit, buy PRACTICE boxes.

 

Some less expensive ball’s -

 

Z Star VX - Doesn’t produce quite the same landing angles and the feel is deader (more Srixon-ish), but they have good spin numbers and retain spin well on longer shots.

2020 Chrome Soft X - From DSG. $40 isn’t a great discount, but it’s a very good ball.

 

Vice Pro + - Kind of the opposite of the VX. Similar trajectory to the V1x but doesn’t seem to generate quite the stopping power. Also feels rather “lively/hot” which some don’t find appealing.

 

MTB-X - Spins a lot. Great combination of distance, landing angles, and spin retention. At around $30 / dozen in bulk, they should be killing the competition. My experience is that they’re maybe a little too hot for their own good, kind of like a 2019 P790, and at least the impression of consistency is slightly lacking.

 

In the V1-class of balls, Vice and Maxfli are virtual clones to the actual V1. At the higher compression levels, they’re not quite as adept, and frankly, some degree of latitude must be given to play them.

[Big_BenB]

30 minutes ago, Jeff58 said:

If your swing mechanics support an X class ball, and your critical selection factor is spin and stopping power consistently across your irons, you’re the same as me. To me, there is no better ball than the V1x, and I use it religiously in competitive situations. I also do whatever I can to not have to buy them. Hunt them, use shop credit, buy PRACTICE boxes.

 

Some less expensive ball’s -

 

Z Star VX - Doesn’t produce quite the same landing angles and the feel is deader (more Srixon-ish), but they have good spin numbers and retain spin well on longer shots.

2020 Chrome Soft X - From DSG. $40 isn’t a great discount, but it’s a very good ball.

 

Vice Pro + - Kind of the opposite of the VX. Similar trajectory to the V1x but doesn’t seem to generate quite the stopping power. Also feels rather “lively/hot” which some don’t find appealing.

 

MTB-X - Spins a lot. Great combination of distance, landing angles, and spin retention. At around $30 / dozen in bulk, they should be killing the competition. My experience is that they’re maybe a little too hot for their own good, kind of like a 2019 P790, and at least the impression of consistency is slightly lacking.

 

In the V1-class of balls, Vice and Maxfli are virtual clones to the actual V1. At the higher compression levels, they’re not quite as adept, and frankly, some degree of latitude must be given to play them.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, I'll pickup a sleeve of each of these and test them out. Would you recommend buying ProV1x's from a place like lostgolfballs.com? I know the refurbished balls are a no go, but even Mint 5A seem like a better deal then buying new/cheaper balls that won't produce what I'm looking for.

[Vlade15]

On 1/31/2023 at 6:02 PM, SUITS said:

Surely I am not the only one, but I have a very hard time telling the difference between the V1 and V1x for the most part. They feel different off the club face for sure. I can hit them both with good strikes off the tee and they end up within 5 yards of each other. Mid irons I really can’t tell much other than the X seems like it’s coming of a little hotter? I don’t practice chipping and pitching enough to tell a difference there. 
Wedges I seem to get more carry out of the X. 

Maybe if I got on a monitor and delivered some consistent strikes I could decide on one. Anyone else in this boat? How did you decide? 

You are not the only one.  I get roasted on this forum every single time I bring this up.  Most golfers, imo, cannot tell a playable difference in premium golf balls minus feel (compression).  They listen to what the box tells them.  Oh, the ProV launches lower than the X?  Okay, it does!  Even though most tests show no noticeable, playable difference.  Check the differences at the end here and look at the flights - you are telling me you would truly notice the difference on the course?
 

 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 2/2/2023 at 12:48 PM, Vlade15 said:

You are not the only one.  I get roasted on this forum every single time I bring this up.  Most golfers, imo, cannot tell a playable difference in premium golf balls minus feel (compression).  They listen to what the box tells them.  Oh, the ProV launches lower than the X?  Okay, it does!  Even though most tests show no noticeable, playable difference.  Check the differences at the end here and look at the flights - you are telling me you would truly notice the difference on the course?
 

 

I notice more iron spin and greenside check with V1X. 10 yard pitches, and the balls separate more. BX shines greenside

[bomberman]

This model I assume from reviews along with the last version are very similar with the exception of feel for me.

[bogeyman71]

I can tell a fair amount of difference hitting into the wind with just about every club. The extra spin on the x doesn’t cut the wind as well v1.  I prefer the softer feel of the v1 but I’m going to give the 23x a try.  

[driveandputtmachine]

I am not WRX long, but I get by.   I have tried EVERY ball out there (not the newest models just released for 2023) except for the Maxfli old or new(which I plan on trying).  I heard that the Maxfli Tour X might be up my alley.

 

For me and my swing currently, the Snell MTB-X and Z Star Diamond perform the best for me with mid irons, short irons, chipping and pitching. This is with solid irons(I am playing 0317ST's and they do pretty well with my 6 and 5 that are foam filled), in a short stint with P790's, even though I tend to be on the high spin side, the Snell MTB black was better.  The Snell X and Srixon Diamond stop quicker with mid and short irons and the short irons do not over spin like I have seen with other balls.  You can read machine testing from other online places, and read what the box says, but until you try it for yourself you do not know how it will behave for your delivery.

 

There are better balls by a little off of the tee for me, but not by much, and not enough to override what I see with scoring clubs.  I can always change my putters milling, insert, or whatever if a ball feels to firm or soft.

[RHenderson]

Long time Pro V player here and for me the V1X launches higher, with Driver & Irons, where I notice it mostly is on approach shots, much higher ball flight and about a 1/2-3/4 a club short on distance. I've tried the new 2023 Models and have to say the Regular Pro V1 seems more like the Left Dot or AVX, where it has lower more penetrating ball flight than last years model but still has good green side spin, where the 2023 Pro V1 X is simply a ball I personally cannot play. I do feel like the X is softer feeling off the irons, wedges and putter over last years ball and it certainly will be a ball a lot of guys choose, just not the right ball for me.

 

I know it's been said before but every serious golfer needs to do their own Golf Ball test's, live on course under playing conditions. I know I spent most of last year testing golf balls and it truley does make a difference finding the right ball for your game.     

[jjmurry]

1 hour ago, RHenderson said:

Long time Pro V player here and for me the V1X launches higher, with Driver & Irons, where I notice it mostly is on approach shots, much higher ball flight and about a 1/2-3/4 a club short on distance. I've tried the new 2023 Models and have to say the Regular Pro V1 seems more like the Left Dot or AVX, where it has lower more penetrating ball flight than last years model but still has good green side spin, where the 2023 Pro V1 X is simply a ball I personally cannot play. I do feel like the X is softer feeling off the irons, wedges and putter over last years ball and it certainly will be a ball a lot of guys choose, just not the right ball for me.

 

I know it's been said before but every serious golfer needs to do their own Golf Ball test's, live on course under playing conditions. I know I spent most of last year testing golf balls and it truley does make a difference finding the right ball for your game.     

This is the same for me. I've long switched back and forth between the Left Dash and PROV1 because I prefer the lower spin on the approach shots into greens. For me, I do most of my ball testing from the 150-200 range, which is not ideal. I notice that's where balls play most differently, and to a lesser extent around the green. 

 

For me, I wish I had a ball that spun like the ProV1x around the green, had the approach characteristics of the Left Dash, and the driver characteristics of the ProV1x. I need some more spin on my driver to help keep the ball in the air a bit more. So because of that I tend to lean towards the ProV1 because I know my approaches will not come up short, and I have a decent amount of spin around the green unlike the Left Dash.

 

Anyone have any other suggestions to try to achieve that unicorn status? 😛 I'm desperate here

[Bye]

1 hour ago, jjmurry said:

This is the same for me. I've long switched back and forth between the Left Dash and PROV1 because I prefer the lower spin on the approach shots into greens. For me, I do most of my ball testing from the 150-200 range, which is not ideal. I notice that's where balls play most differently, and to a lesser extent around the green. 

 

For me, I wish I had a ball that spun like the ProV1x around the green, had the approach characteristics of the Left Dash, and the driver characteristics of the ProV1x. I need some more spin on my driver to help keep the ball in the air a bit more. So because of that I tend to lean towards the ProV1 because I know my approaches will not come up short, and I have a decent amount of spin around the green unlike the Left Dash.

 

Anyone have any other suggestions to try to achieve that unicorn status? 😛 I'm desperate here

Same for me too. 

 

I liked the idea of play Pro V1X even down to preferring the red number! Can't remember if they have switched the colours over this year (not important really). 

 

But it's just not the best option for me, and the V1 just seems to work better. Small margins.

 

I hit 3 pitches with left dash the other day, that was enough!

[JAM01]

I’ve churned through numerous Tour balls the past few years always looking for the grail, including most DTC balls. Settled on the 2023 Prov1. Just works all around for me. Might even stick with the white instead of the yellow when it shows up soon. Is it snobbish to say it I must use the Plant #3 ball from the USA, and not the #4 plant in Thailand? 

[UNDY24]

1 hour ago, JAM01 said:

I’ve churned through numerous Tour balls the past few years always looking for the grail, including most DTC balls. Settled on the 2023 Prov1. Just works all around for me. Might even stick with the white instead of the yellow when it shows up soon. Is it snobbish to say it I must use the Plant #3 ball from the USA, and not the #4 plant in Thailand? 

 

Not at all! It's your money!

[Hat Trick]

I have also bounced around trying different balls looking for the "best one" for my game but always come back to the V1X.  So now I am sticking with it.  When I spoke with the Titleist ball fitting guy he told me most players (despite what their website says) fit into the V1X.  Unless you have high swing speeds (I don't - low to mid 90s for me) most people need the extra height and spin the V1X offers even if it just a little more than the V1 at lower swing speeds to keep the ball in the air and hold greens. 

 

I think the most important thing (as has been said so often) is to find a ball you like and stick with it.  For me that is the V1X.  I know price is a consideration for some, but the golf ball is the cheapest thing I buy each year compared to everything else.  So I splurge on the V1X.  

[Is Golf Fun or Work]

I'd go with which one feels best around the greens all else being basically equal

[Avidswampthing66]

On 2/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, Big_BenB said:

What model do you recommend that will provide the same spin for a player like myself who’s wasting money on them? I’ve become addicted to the spin into the green and every cheaper option I’ve tried just doesn’t do it. I shoot mid to high 80s.

The Maxfli X and Snell MTB-X fit that bill nicely.  Great balls lower price w/o much sacrifice.

[Avidswampthing66]

On 2/7/2023 at 8:56 AM, jjmurry said:

This is the same for me. I've long switched back and forth between the Left Dash and PROV1 because I prefer the lower spin on the approach shots into greens. For me, I do most of my ball testing from the 150-200 range, which is not ideal. I notice that's where balls play most differently, and to a lesser extent around the green. 

 

For me, I wish I had a ball that spun like the ProV1x around the green, had the approach characteristics of the Left Dash, and the driver characteristics of the ProV1x. I need some more spin on my driver to help keep the ball in the air a bit more. So because of that I tend to lean towards the ProV1 because I know my approaches will not come up short, and I have a decent amount of spin around the green unlike the Left Dash.

 

Anyone have any other suggestions to try to achieve that unicorn status? 😛 I'm desperate here

Sounds like CSX LS should get a hard look!  Much better feel than -Dash and has all the other attributes you listed

Edited February 17, 2023 by Avidswampthing66

[wfrogge1]

Been playing the new ProV1 for three weeks now along with the new V1x.  The difference is minimal and TBH I have no shocking revelations to add here.  The V1x might be a few yards longer off the tee but its honestly hard to tell the difference. The V1x does checkup more on the greens but TBH I could play either ball...... the difference isn't a deal breaker.  Yesterday was a windy and fairly warm day and it was a good test for the new V1x.  For me at least both the V1 and V1x were about the same in the wind. 

This is going to come down to feel and I think ill go with the V1x. I was a left dash player for years so the "clicky" feel doesn't turn me off.  I dare to say the gap between the ProV1x left dash and the new ProV1x is minimal. 

[SwooshLT]

Give the newest Bridgestone BX a look

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 2/2/2023 at 12:48 PM, Vlade15 said:

You are not the only one.  I get roasted on this forum every single time I bring this up.  Most golfers, imo, cannot tell a playable difference in premium golf balls minus feel (compression).  They listen to what the box tells them.  Oh, the ProV launches lower than the X?  Okay, it does!  Even though most tests show no noticeable, playable difference.  Check the differences at the end here and look at the flights - you are telling me you would truly notice the difference on the course?
 

 

That’s only initial launch. The cover aerodynamics of the V1 keep it in a lower window.