How does a 3 handicap get 10 in a proam?

[aenemated]

8 hours ago, m d g said:

It's a beautiful course but not crazy difficult...

 

Honestly, 9 and 10 are the only holes I'd call challenging. And really only because they can play long and there's a hell of a water hazard all down the right. 

 

I'd include 8 but the toughest of it was the green that they've apparently changed so if you're putting from the back; you don't have to worry about your ball rolling into the damn canyon anymore. 

 

Not saying I did that but ... 

Edited February 7, 2023 by aenemated

[mark m]

A 3.0 would be around 5 at those courses if they played from tees where the rating was over par 72. So how did he get 10?

 

A: The committee gave it to him. Maybe his celebrity was considered important and they wanted him in the mix, for ratings purposes? Instead of the CEO’s that very few care about. 
 

A tournament or handicap committee would  cut a player’s handicap if they thought he was a bagger. So don’t blame Rodgers.

 

EDIT: if they played at 71.8/134 (white tees, roughly 6083 yards), his CH would be 3. As a spectator/fan, do you feel manipulated?
 

This from GHIN = 3.0:

Edited February 7, 2023 by mark m

[munichop]

Anyone know what Mardy Fish shot and his hcp for the event?  He won at Lake Nona by a wide margin.  I think they should change this trophy from crystal to a sand bag from home depot...

[NetBogey]

Good thing GHIN has a handicap calculator and you can choose the player and course. GHIN says Rodgers would be a 7 from blues.  So they must be using other criteria for adjusting more.

[Krt22]

33 minutes ago, munichop said:

Anyone know what Mardy Fish shot and his hcp for the event?  He won at Lake Nona by a wide margin.  I think they should change this trophy from crystal to a sand bag from home depot...

I think he is a +2 or something right? I couldn't find anything official that lists all the amateur playing handicaps

[AzRoger]

Not sure why so many are calling Rodgers a sandbagger, unless his 3 handicap is higher than it should be but from watching him play in celebrity events I don't think it is. It's not like he selects the handicap he wants to play to in the tournament, the tournament committee figures that out, they might have some explaining to do.

[Krt22]

13 minutes ago, AzRoger said:

Not sure why so many are calling Rodgers a sandbagger, unless his 3 handicap is higher than it should be but from watching him play in celebrity events I don't think it is. It's not like he selects the handicap he wants to play to in the tournament, the tournament committee figures that out, they might have some explaining to do.

He went to the tournament director and said he wasn't going to show up unless he got 10 strokes, no doubt in my mind. So the director had a choice, make Aaron happy or bring in another 60+ vanity cap CEO

[mark m]

39 minutes ago, bryceyf said:

Good thing GHIN has a handicap calculator and you can choose the player and course. GHIN says Rodgers would be a 7 from blues.  So they must be using other criteria for adjusting more.

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 I believe the scores are posted from the tournament to his scoring record. The CR’s are 71.0, 71.8, 71.8. That gives him a CH of 3. A typical handicap allowance for Fourball would only lower it. (And the new scores did not lower his Index. The new 3 scores aren’t among the low 8 in the calculation.) They elevated him by 7. Did he have a lot of screen time?

[AzRoger]

4 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

He went to the tournament director and said he wasn't going to show up unless he got 10 strokes, no doubt in my mind. So the director had a choice, make Aaron happy or bring in another 60+ vanity cap CEO

 

I have a hard time believing that, it's not like Rodgers is a game changer for the tournament, he's quite boring to watch actually, similar to 99% of the other amateurs playing.

[Krt22]

14 minutes ago, AzRoger said:

 

I have a hard time believing that, it's not like Rodgers is a game changer for the tournament, he's quite boring to watch actually, similar to 99% of the other amateurs playing.

I was being sarcastic 

[MattyO1984]

16 hours ago, dmecca2 said:

Not sure of the validity of this, but I heard from a popular podcast that they have weird handicapping rules at this event. Like if you miss the cut last year, your handicap is locked. So he was locked at a 10. Doesn't make much sense.

 

We listened to the same podcast and came away with the same conclusion! I am heading to my Club later with a new suggestion for my handicap 🙂

[iBanesto]

I read the thread title as "How does a 3 handicap get a 10 for a prom?".

 

Quick answer is that it will never happen.

 

[mikewohlwend]

I tried looking up the team scorecard and can't find it. Only the pros

[dropkicked]

[ANimz]

Probably because Pebble Beach is a lot more difficult than whatever local courses he plays.  I've seen touring pro's throw up big numbers before as well.  It happens.

[Shilgy]

It’s simple really….if Rodgers insisted/asked to be at least a 10 it’s sandbagging……if the pro-am committee decided on their own to give him extra shots for entertainment value it’s not on him.  In reading various articles over the years on the clambake handicap system it is clear they tend to bump the “celebrity handicaps for entertainment value.  They certainly want to have big names on the leaderboard on celebrity Saturday.

[ANimz]

9 minutes ago, ANimz said:

Probably because Pebble Beach is a lot more difficult than whatever local courses he plays.  I've seen touring pro's throw up big numbers before as well.  It happens.

Disregard, I read that wrong.  I thought it meant a 10 on a hole, not 10 for the tournament.  

[Krt22]

1 hour ago, mikewohlwend said:

I tried looking up the team scorecard and can't find it. Only the pros

It's rigged...just like the NFL

[jwhite86]

20 hours ago, forrester_fire said:

Add "sandbagger" to the long list of reasons Aaron Rodgers is utterly unlikeable to anyone that isn't a Packer fanatic.

Even as a Packer fanatic, he's utterly unlikeable 

[Pepperturbo]

It's said, GBCC is a Par 72, 7097yds from back Black tees, 74.2 rating and 141 slope.  Using those numbers, a 3 index is a 4 on the course; my 4 index converts to 5.  From the Blue/Grey 6432 yds, 70.8/132 yardage, I am still a 5. 

 

Guessing, he probably doesn't play the back tees at home and maybe hasn't played in a while.  The PB tournament committee has their own way of adjusting handicaps, upward, looking to make the amateurs feel better about their score at the end of the day.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Pepperturbo

[mark m]

5 hours ago, mikewohlwend said:

I tried looking up the team scorecard and can't find it. Only the pros

I noticed the same issue - no hole by hole scoring posted online for the pro-am - for the Dunhill Links championship last fall in Scotland. Previously they did. Things have changed. It must be to protect our precious “elites”, the committees, and sponsors from prying eyes and some laughter. Transparency is not in the mix - it’s not how they roll. 

[Pepperturbo]

22 minutes ago, mark m said:

Transparency is not in the mix

Yep.  IMO, a great deal of minor topics don't necessitate costly transparency, least of all amateurs scores from a ProAm.

[Frankensteins Monster]

On 2/6/2023 at 10:01 AM, DoughBack18 said:

Aaron Rodgers is listed as a 3.0 at Green Bay CC. I know that the course rating can adjust that when you play elsewhere, but 7 shots seems a little nuts considering the am’s aren’t playing anywhere near the tips during the ProAm. Am I missing something?

He’s a quarterback that has played for the Packers. History has shown they aren’t honest.

[Hawkeye77]

22 hours ago, aenemated said:

 

Honestly, 9 and 10 are the only holes I'd call challenging. And really only because they can play long and there's a hell of a water hazard all down the right. 

 

I'd include 8 but the toughest of it was the green that they've apparently changed so if you're putting from the back; you don't have to worry about your ball rolling into the damn canyon anymore. 

 

Not saying I did that but ... 

 

I found several very interesting and challenging - 6 the most challenging. 
 

Kind of one of those “depends” things I guess. Ability play into it, conditions (ours were benign) and good position, especially on and around several greens as I learned the hard way. Would love to play it again. Missing fairways was not benign for sure, especially on the wrong side. All IMO. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Hawkeye77

[the700level]

They do a terrible job of broadcasting the amateurs.  I want to see leaderboards with handicaps and scores to handicap to see who’s sandbagging and who’s 50 over their cap

[TM_HOYER]

How does a 3 become a 10? He loses to the Detroit Lions … TWICE.

[Pepperturbo]

1 hour ago, the700level said:

They do a terrible job of broadcasting the amateurs.  I want to see leaderboards with handicaps and scores to handicap to see who’s sandbagging and who’s 50 over their cap

Why?? 

 

Tournament pros are the main focus, reason we don't see much amateur play, unless they are celebrities.  To play, amateurs pony up to 25k for their spot in the ProAm, plus they spend big bucks when not playing.  

[klebs01]

23 hours ago, Krt22 said:

I think he is a +2 or something right? I couldn't find anything official that lists all the amateur playing handicaps

fish as well as soly from NLU. None if them played as pluses. None of the pros played based on their cap.  It makes sense if they get a few extra strokes, the normal handicaps do as well. 

[DoughBack18]

2 hours ago, the700level said:

They do a terrible job of broadcasting the amateurs.  I want to see leaderboards with handicaps and scores to handicap to see who’s sandbagging and who’s 50 over their cap

I may be wrong, but it certainly felt like a decade + ago the amateurs were a way bigger focus on the broadcast, especially on Saturday. Not that I’m a huge fan of them, but I remember guys like George Lopez and Andy Garcia getting plenty of air time in their day. I think at one point Peter Kostis even did that Konica Minolta Bizhub swing vision thing on a lot of the am’s when they tee’d off on 17. 

[Bob Cat]

10 hours ago, DoughBack18 said:

I may be wrong, but it certainly felt like a decade + ago the amateurs were a way bigger focus on the broadcast, especially on Saturday. Not that I’m a huge fan of them, but I remember guys like George Lopez and Andy Garcia getting plenty of air time in their day. I think at one point Peter Kostis even did that Konica Minolta Bizhub swing vision thing on a lot of the am’s when they tee’d off on 17. 

 

You are correct.