How does a 3 handicap get 10 in a proam?

[DoughBack18]

Aaron Rodgers is listed as a 3.0 at Green Bay CC. I know that the course rating can adjust that when you play elsewhere, but 7 shots seems a little nuts considering the am’s aren’t playing anywhere near the tips during the ProAm. Am I missing something?

[Bob Cat]

Thought the same.  And, by the way, there's a lot of "I's" in Aaron Rodgers.

[mosesgolf]

Maybe Aaron Rogers is a WRX 3. Lol

[buckeyefl]

It's just more sandbagging nonsense. His partner was -1 I believe and their team as -25. 

 

Come on man. Luckily he got busted out by another NFL player on camera which was pretty hysterical.

 

I hear he's going to take up puppy kicking next.

Edited February 6, 2023 by buckeyefl

[Wasted_Talent]

4 minutes ago, buckeyefl said:

It's just more sandbagging nonsense. His partner was -1 I believe and their team as -25. 

 

 

 

+1

[Greenie]

Listening to the broadcast I got the idea he was a sandbagger from what and how the announcers commented about him.

[buckeyefl]

3 minutes ago, Gawbage_man said:

 

+1

My bad. -1 was the cut I think.

[third-times-a-charm]

It's easy to tailor your handicap up and down at a CC. What people say about that is a diff story.

[Hawkeye77]

No idea what their criteria is or how they let him have more strokes, I'm not sure you can call him a sandbagger when he maintains a 3 and the tournament gives him 10, unless he had some input into that, maybe he did, but definitely didn't deserve a 10, looking at course rating and slope from where I assume he played in the event he'd still be a 3, IMO.  If he's playing the same tees as the pros I assume he'd adjust up a bit, again, don't know how the tourney calculates.  

[m d g]

If you're a legit 3 at a moderately difficult country club then I think you would be about the same at Pebble Beach.

 

It's a beautiful course but not crazy difficult...

[farmer]

He hasn't played since August, and his Sunday afternoons have involved being banged around by large angry men.  Maybe whoever does these things made adjustments for that.

Edited February 6, 2023 by farmer

[TwistedSister]

According to The Sporting News... The Wisconsin State Golf Assn  states his index is 4.6  Not 3

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-golf-history-handicap-the-match/jrhsgh4cm0qi5qrkhvp4dbyw

 

sorry did not see the date of this article. 

 

But with a 3.0 index from the Blue tees(6800) he would have a course cap of 7.

And if ALL the Am caps were figured from the same scale should not be an issue.

Edited February 6, 2023 by TwistedSister

[caniac6]

He was playing with a Korn Ferry player, so they gave him extra shots.  Just kidding.

[dmecca2]

Not sure of the validity of this, but I heard from a popular podcast that they have weird handicapping rules at this event. Like if you miss the cut last year, your handicap is locked. So he was locked at a 10. Doesn't make much sense.

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

The Am part of the tournament is renowned for a few things:  celebrities and their hapless swings in usually cold, windy weather; Jack Lemmon never making the cut; and for sandbagging by the eventual winner. 

 

See, Kerry Packer rolling in with a 17 HDCP from the club he owned, and he and the Shark going net -42.  And breaking the previous record by 6.  The Shark contributed with a -4. 

 

How many -17s do you know, that manage to go net -38 over four rounds, at those courses in February?  The Shark having an interview with an Australian outlet that Packer actually admitted he was a 21, "but such was the integrity of the man" that he accepted the 17 the Committee used instead, was an added tweak to the nose.

 

LMFAO.

[dckmcfkkd]

Things don't add up. His partner was +1 and missed the cut. This had to be the most perfect ham and egg hole matchup in the history of best ball.

On his own ball, he would have had to shoot 73,73,73.................as a 10.

[getair23]

Larry Fitzgerald had this down to a science prior to A-Aron.

[Krt22]

 

 

2 minutes ago, dckmcfkkd said:

Things don't add up. His partner was +1 and missed the cut. This had to be the most perfect ham and egg hole matchup in the history of best ball.

On his own ball, he would have had to shoot 73,73,73.................as a 10.

His partner had 13 birdies over 3 days. A sandbagging 3 getting 10 means he had 30 strokes over 3 days, that is a lot of net birdies and likely had a few natural birdies on top. So not that unfathomable

[Shilgy]

52 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

 

 

His partner had 13 birdies over 3 days. A sandbagging 3 getting 10 means he had 30 strokes over 3 days, that is a lot of net birdies and likely had a few natural birdies on top. So not that unfathomable

I was about to post similar.  The pro being +1 does not mean Rodgers shot -27 net on his own ball.  There was a lot of ham and egging going on it appears. Not really that odd to be -26 net in a two man better ball over four days.

[forrester_fire]

Add "sandbagger" to the long list of reasons Aaron Rodgers is utterly unlikeable to anyone that isn't a Packer fanatic.

[mat562]

He was pushing for an eagle on a water hole in a vain effort to catch the 4-handicapper who was beating an LPGA pro?

[Krt22]

14 minutes ago, forrester_fire said:

Add "sandbagger" to the long list of reasons Aaron Rodgers is utterly unlikeable to anyone that isn't a Packer fanatic.

Aaron Rodgers is the man. I am not at all a Packer fanatic. 

[Krt22]

5 hours ago, Shilgy said:

I was about to post similar.  The pro being +1 does not mean Rodgers shot -27 net on his own ball.  There was a lot of ham and egging going on it appears. Not really that odd to be -26 net in a two man better ball over four days.

Apparently golf digest writers don't understand how best ball tournaments work either smdh

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/aaron-rodgers-clubs-used-2023-att-pebble-beach-pro-am

 

"Rodgers, who carries a 3.0 Index from Green Bay (Wisc.) C.C. (Rodgers is the quarterback of the NFL's Green Bay Packers) but was playing to a 10-handicap for the event, helped his team by 27 strokes as his partner, Silverman, shot one over par for the three rounds."

[Shilgy]

Just now, Krt22 said:

Apparently golf digest writers don't understand how best ball tournaments work either smdh

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/aaron-rodgers-clubs-used-2023-att-pebble-beach-pro-am

 

"Rodgers, who carries a 3.0 Index from Green Bay (Wisc.) C.C. (Rodgers is the quarterback of the NFL's Green Bay Packers) but was playing to a 10-handicap for the event, helped his team by 27 strokes as his partner, Silverman, shot one over par for the three rounds."

SMDHx2

 

If, as posted above by you iirc , Silverman made 13 birdies then Rodgers also made -13 and they ham and egged their way to parring, or net parring the other 26 holes.  Without looking at hole by hole that is what the math says. It’s likely Rodgers contributed a few more net birdies as they may have had a few holes where both bogeyed.

 

The media always posts this as “the am helped his team by 27 strokes or whatever but that is not the same as Rodgers shooting net -27 for four rounds.

[Yuck]

7 hours ago, TwistedSister said:

According to The Sporting News... The Wisconsin State Golf Assn  states his index is 4.6  Not 3

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-golf-history-handicap-the-match/jrhsgh4cm0qi5qrkhvp4dbyw

 

sorry did not see the date of this article. 

 

But with a 3.0 index from the Blue tees(6800) he would have a course cap of 7.

And if ALL the Am caps were figured from the same scale should not be an issue.

 

5 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Apparently golf digest writers don't understand how best ball tournaments work either smdh

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/aaron-rodgers-clubs-used-2023-att-pebble-beach-pro-am

 

"Rodgers, who carries a 3.0 Index from Green Bay (Wisc.) C.C. (Rodgers is the quarterback of the NFL's Green Bay Packers) but was playing to a 10-handicap for the event, helped his team by 27 strokes as his partner, Silverman, shot one over par for the three rounds."

He did help his team by 27 strokes, but he could do that even if he had no natural birdies at all.  As long as his net score on a hole was less than his pro, he helped.  The issue, regardless of what score he shot is that he was a 3.0 index last August.  Even if he had played since then and shoot 100’s every time, the hard cap rule in the World Handicap process would limit him to a max HDCP of 8.  

 

I assume that the Pro AM does did use GHIN HDCPS.

[Krt22]

2 minutes ago, Yuck said:

 

He did help his team by 27 strokes, but he could do that even if he had no natural birdies at all.  As long as his net score on a hole was less than his pro, he helped.

Without seeing his entire card, there is no way to draw that conclusion. 

[munichop]

There is no way Rogers is a legit 10.  The conditions were quite difficult for the pros with the weather and wind.   Remember the  handicap is based on what you do when you are playing well.  Even at and index of 4.6 getting 10 at this event is a joke.  He had plenty of time to practice before the event.  The Packers season ended before the playoffs this year.

[Yuck]

9 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Without seeing his entire card, there is no way to draw that conclusion. 

Without seeing his card, we do know he helped his pro by 27 shots.  

 

What we don’t know which holes or what he shot.  That is why I said he “could” have done it without making a natural birdie.

[Shilgy]

It appears he posted 82/83/87

 

Lets be real…..a 3 would probably be about a 5 or 6 course handicap on those courses…..a 5 should average about 8 over the course rating per the USGA.  So he really is in line with expectations.

 

I cannot believe I’m a Minnesota native and defending Rodgers.🤬 Just feels wrong.

[Krt22]

3 minutes ago, Yuck said:

Without seeing his card, we do know he helped his pro by 27 shots.  

 

What we don’t know which holes or what he shot.  That is why I said he “could” have done it without making a natural birdie.

Tell me you don't know how best ball works without telling me you don't know how best ball works, lol. Of all the things to double down on this is an odd one. Their team score and his pro's gross total score are two different things

 

8 minutes ago, munichop said:

There is no way Rogers is a legit 10.  

He's not. It seems like the tournament makes up their own handicaps.

Edited February 7, 2023 by Krt22