Tiger is playing a Bridgestone ball this week (merged)

[DavePelz4]

To play Devils Advocate, #2, 4, 7, and 8 are the same thing just reworded. Everything else is valid though and I agree.

 

I think the issue comes back to that level of social awkwardness that seems to persist. As charismatic and charming as he can be, he still falls back on a lot of canned "tech speak" without providing any real explanation for what the hell he is talking about and IMO, he'd be better off saying nothing most of the time. The classic "non firing Glutes" comment being the prime example of this. If you're going to say it like that, it needs an explanation, otherwise you just look like a doofus. "Yeah my glutes just weren't firing, that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Well, when that whole area of your body has been immobilized for as long as mine has for rehab, things don't quite work right immediately and that immobility leads to some stiffness that i'll just need to work out". Instead he talks to everyone like they all know what these phrases like "release patterns" and "baseline shifting" mean and it just comes across as weird excuses when in reality he should just shed a little light on wtf he is actually talking about.

I (a non-psychology trained person) subscribe to the theory that many high performers come up with excuses to keep their ego intact as their ego gives them the confidence to "get it done" at such a high level. Michael Jordan, from what I've read and heard, falls squarely into this camp. The excuses come off as petty, childish, and whiny, but they likely also stave off some of the self-doubt that can be a career killer at that level of play. "It's not me, it's that d-mn spike hole that caused me to miss the putt." If such thinking allows you to hole the putt on the next green and collect $2M, then I understand it. I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

KP, you said it very succinctly. Tiger is like Maverick from Top Gun after Goose was killed. Tiger has a confidence problem and instead of saying that, he creates other reasons to hide the true issue. If you read what Ernie Els said about Tiger as related to this event, he knows his swing is good, he wants to see what's going on upstairs.

[Bingo1976]

Never skip legs day

[Hawkeye77]

To play Devils Advocate, #2, 4, 7, and 8 are the same thing just reworded. Everything else is valid though and I agree.

 

I think the issue comes back to that level of social awkwardness that seems to persist. As charismatic and charming as he can be, he still falls back on a lot of canned "tech speak" without providing any real explanation for what the hell he is talking about and IMO, he'd be better off saying nothing most of the time. The classic "non firing Glutes" comment being the prime example of this. If you're going to say it like that, it needs an explanation, otherwise you just look like a doofus. "Yeah my glutes just weren't firing, that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Well, when that whole area of your body has been immobilized for as long as mine has for rehab, things don't quite work right immediately and that immobility leads to some stiffness that i'll just need to work out". Instead he talks to everyone like they all know what these phrases like "release patterns" and "baseline shifting" mean and it just comes across as weird excuses when in reality he should just shed a little light on wtf he is actually talking about.

I (a non-psychology trained person) subscribe to the theory that many high performers come up with excuses to keep their ego intact as their ego gives them the confidence to "get it done" at such a high level. Michael Jordan, from what I've read and heard, falls squarely into this camp. The excuses come off as petty, childish, and whiny, but they likely also stave off some of the self-doubt that can be a career killer at that level of play. "It's not me, it's that d-mn spike hole that caused me to miss the putt." If such thinking allows you to hole the putt on the next green and collect $2M, then I understand it. I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

KP, you said it very succinctly. Tiger is like Maverick from Top Gun after Goose was killed. Tiger has a confidence problem and instead of saying that, he creates other reasons to hide the true issue. If you read what Ernie Els said about Tiger as related to this event, he knows his swing is good, he wants to see what's going on upstairs.

 

If he turns to Kelly McGillis for comfort I will vomit!

 

 

[TheGriftKings]

Tiger playing with Reed on thursday and in the pro am tomorrow

 

If I'm Tiger, I keep a close eye on my Scotty Cameron

 

+1

[BMC]

One thing's for sure, he'll get more TV time the any of the other pros shooting 75.

[Santiago Golf]

Looks like he still has the pretty significant head dip on that driver swing.

 

Alot good players "dip" their head, its not bad thing, as long as you are squatting

 

Moe Norman said, he felt he was getting shorter in the downswing

[G.O.A.T]

Playing a new ball is yet a new excuse for short game issues.

Dave, exactly what did Tiger do with a current or former family member of yours?

 

Over the years I've posted that he is one of, if not THE, most talented player ever to play the game so let's keep this in context. I have immense respect for his talent but not a ton of respect for him on other regards. I'll leave his personal life out of the mix and focus strictly on the professional part. Let's consider some of his excuses for not playing well or withdrawing:

 

1. My glutes aren't firing.

2. I'm between patterns.

3. I'm vulnerable.

4. This is a different release pattern.

5. I'm going through baseline shifts.

6. We're going to go through the numbers and see what the spin rates are

7. I'm just having a hard time finding the bottom

8. Because of my old pattern, I was so steep

9. It's going to take time to get the feel of my hands where they need to be through the entire swing and shaping shots.

 

After you play a bad round do you make any of those excuses? Hopefully not. I had a terrible year with the driver in 2016 and my "excuse" was that I sucked hitting a driver. My glutes were fine, I wasn't between patterns, I just was bad with the driver. Period.

 

Let's not forget he just withdrew from an event where they doubled the number of tickets sold after he announced he was playing and just a few days later, he withdrew and all of the people who bought tickets expecting to see him play his first event in a long time were denied that opportunity. Not sure that refunds were given.

 

I believe that the game is better off with him competing. More competition and the better competition will only lead to seeing better golf and we all benefit. I hope he shoots lights out this week so all of the Tiger fans have that to hang on to during the off season. I hope he plays early, often and competes in calendar 2017. I hope he's in the mix in every major throughout the year. Seriously. That will lead to great excitement for all of us and great conversations on this site.

 

You're a ten handicap of course you dont know anything about being dialed in and what it really takes to beat golf courses everyday. You're lack of understanding is the cause for the hate you keep inside for tiger.

[bigbluefan1132]

and a Monster bag

[scratchswinger]

and a Monster bag

 

Cuz he's a beast, a Monster if you will.

[playa]

Has he ever come clean about why he never heads back towards Titleist equipment, or balls? I am on the fence if Cameron counts to him, or not...

 

Why wouldh't he just jump back to the ProV? Or Vokey wedges? I know he really enjoyed how Kuch's ball performed several years back when they played alternate shot in some event, but he seems like he's purposely eschewing Titleist.

So if tiger doesn't use titleist it can only be a snub, because he couldn't possibly believe that any equipment could be better than titleist. Got it.

[mwkbmw]

Playing a new ball is yet a new excuse for short game issues.

Dave, exactly what did Tiger do with a current or former family member of yours?

 

Over the years I've posted that he is one of, if not THE, most talented player ever to play the game so let's keep this in context. I have immense respect for his talent but not a ton of respect for him on other regards. I'll leave his personal life out of the mix and focus strictly on the professional part. Let's consider some of his excuses for not playing well or withdrawing:

 

1. My glutes aren't firing.

2. I'm between patterns.

3. I'm vulnerable.

4. This is a different release pattern.

5. I'm going through baseline shifts.

6. We're going to go through the numbers and see what the spin rates are

7. I'm just having a hard time finding the bottom

8. Because of my old pattern, I was so steep

9. It's going to take time to get the feel of my hands where they need to be through the entire swing and shaping shots.

 

After you play a bad round do you make any of those excuses? Hopefully not. I had a terrible year with the driver in 2016 and my "excuse" was that I sucked hitting a driver. My glutes were fine, I wasn't between patterns, I just was bad with the driver. Period.

 

Let's not forget he just withdrew from an event where they doubled the number of tickets sold after he announced he was playing and just a few days later, he withdrew and all of the people who bought tickets expecting to see him play his first event in a long time were denied that opportunity. Not sure that refunds were given.

 

I believe that the game is better off with him competing. More competition and the better competition will only lead to seeing better golf and we all benefit. I hope he shoots lights out this week so all of the Tiger fans have that to hang on to during the off season. I hope he plays early, often and competes in calendar 2017. I hope he's in the mix in every major throughout the year. Seriously. That will lead to great excitement for all of us and great conversations on this site.

 

You're a ten handicap of course you dont know anything about being dialed in and what it really takes to beat golf courses everyday. You're lack of understanding is the cause for the hate you keep inside for tiger.

 

You're (sic) command of the English language is impressive. Along with you're (sic) ability to know what a total stranger in an internet forum understands or not. You're (sic) lack of objectivity is the cause of the slobbering love you have for Tiger. See what I did there?

[the bishop]

Playing a new ball is yet a new excuse for short game issues.

Dave, exactly what did Tiger do with a current or former family member of yours?

 

Over the years I've posted that he is one of, if not THE, most talented player ever to play the game so let's keep this in context. I have immense respect for his talent but not a ton of respect for him on other regards. I'll leave his personal life out of the mix and focus strictly on the professional part. Let's consider some of his excuses for not playing well or withdrawing:

 

1. My glutes aren't firing.

2. I'm between patterns.

3. I'm vulnerable.

4. This is a different release pattern.

5. I'm going through baseline shifts.

6. We're going to go through the numbers and see what the spin rates are

7. I'm just having a hard time finding the bottom

8. Because of my old pattern, I was so steep

9. It's going to take time to get the feel of my hands where they need to be through the entire swing and shaping shots.

 

After you play a bad round do you make any of those excuses? Hopefully not. I had a terrible year with the driver in 2016 and my "excuse" was that I sucked hitting a driver. My glutes were fine, I wasn't between patterns, I just was bad with the driver. Period.

 

Let's not forget he just withdrew from an event where they doubled the number of tickets sold after he announced he was playing and just a few days later, he withdrew and all of the people who bought tickets expecting to see him play his first event in a long time were denied that opportunity. Not sure that refunds were given.

 

I believe that the game is better off with him competing. More competition and the better competition will only lead to seeing better golf and we all benefit. I hope he shoots lights out this week so all of the Tiger fans have that to hang on to during the off season. I hope he plays early, often and competes in calendar 2017. I hope he's in the mix in every major throughout the year. Seriously. That will lead to great excitement for all of us and great conversations on this site.

 

You're a ten handicap of course you dont know anything about being dialed in and what it really takes to beat golf courses everyday. You're lack of understanding is the cause for the hate you keep inside for tiger.

 

You're (sic) command of the English language is impressive. Along with you're (sic) ability to know what a total stranger in an internet forum understands or not. You're (sic) lack of objectivity is the cause of the slobbering love you have for Tiger. See what I did there?

AND you're a 5.5 hdcp so you're almost twice as smart as DavePelz4. Amiright?

[mwkbmw]

Dave, exactly what did Tiger do with a current or former family member of yours?

 

Over the years I've posted that he is one of, if not THE, most talented player ever to play the game so let's keep this in context. I have immense respect for his talent but not a ton of respect for him on other regards. I'll leave his personal life out of the mix and focus strictly on the professional part. Let's consider some of his excuses for not playing well or withdrawing:

 

1. My glutes aren't firing.

2. I'm between patterns.

3. I'm vulnerable.

4. This is a different release pattern.

5. I'm going through baseline shifts.

6. We're going to go through the numbers and see what the spin rates are

7. I'm just having a hard time finding the bottom

8. Because of my old pattern, I was so steep

9. It's going to take time to get the feel of my hands where they need to be through the entire swing and shaping shots.

 

After you play a bad round do you make any of those excuses? Hopefully not. I had a terrible year with the driver in 2016 and my "excuse" was that I sucked hitting a driver. My glutes were fine, I wasn't between patterns, I just was bad with the driver. Period.

 

Let's not forget he just withdrew from an event where they doubled the number of tickets sold after he announced he was playing and just a few days later, he withdrew and all of the people who bought tickets expecting to see him play his first event in a long time were denied that opportunity. Not sure that refunds were given.

 

I believe that the game is better off with him competing. More competition and the better competition will only lead to seeing better golf and we all benefit. I hope he shoots lights out this week so all of the Tiger fans have that to hang on to during the off season. I hope he plays early, often and competes in calendar 2017. I hope he's in the mix in every major throughout the year. Seriously. That will lead to great excitement for all of us and great conversations on this site.

 

You're a ten handicap of course you dont know anything about being dialed in and what it really takes to beat golf courses everyday. You're lack of understanding is the cause for the hate you keep inside for tiger.

 

You're (sic) command of the English language is impressive. Along with you're (sic) ability to know what a total stranger in an internet forum understands or not. You're (sic) lack of objectivity is the cause of the slobbering love you have for Tiger. See what I did there?

AND you're a 5.5 hdcp so you're almost twice as smart as DavePelz4. Amiright?

 

Probably not. He's a pretty smart guy. I'd bet he is smart enough to tell that I was responding to G.O.A.T., not him.

[Sean2]

Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but Bridgestone manufactured Nike's golf balls, so it's no big surprise that he would play a Bridgestone golf ball.

[DavePelz4]

AND you're a 5.5 hdcp so you're almost twice as smart as DavePelz4. Amiright?

 

That's not saying much Sir.

[the bishop]

Probably not. He's a pretty smart guy. I'd bet he is smart enough to tell that I was responding to G.O.A.T., not him.

 

And my comment was really directed at G.O.A.T, not you.

[egr2teup]

Have there been any reports of the difference between the Nike and Bridgestone ball Tiger's going to put in play? I recall that his Nike ball was the softest on tour.

 

Might he opt for something a little firmer to compensate for loss of swing speed?

[mwkbmw]

Probably not. He's a pretty smart guy. I'd bet he is smart enough to tell that I was responding to G.O.A.T., not him.

 

And my comment was really directed at G.O.A.T, not you.

 

Gotcha. Hard to tell since my comment was quoted. No worries.

[Judge440]

and a Monster bag

 

Cuz he's a beast, a Monster if you will.

 

So bad. :D

[Valtiel]

Have there been any reports of the difference between the Nike and Bridgestone ball Tiger's going to put in play? I recall that his Nike ball was the softest on tour.

 

Might he opt for something a little firmer to compensate for loss of swing speed?

 

Given that he might be putting the super low spin combo of the M2/Tensei White in play, I think he sticks with the softer ball. Anything firmer and he'd have a hard time working the ball off the tee, unless he is getting away from that and just wants to hit em' high and straight, which honestly wouldn't be such a bad change given his often erratic driving.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Does anyone actually know for a fact that Bridgestone just didn't make the Nike ball by slapping a Nike logo on Bridgestone balls?

[Holy Moses]

Does anyone actually know for a fact that Bridgestone just didn't make the Nike ball by slapping a Nike logo on Bridgestone balls?

 

Definitely not the RZNs

[geesecougar2]

Haven't used a Bridgestone ball in a long time. I remember them performing really well but shredding really easily. So got really expensive.

 

Tiger wouldn't have that problem though!

[ChillyDipper]

If anyone with access to the information could post some Bridgestone ball sales figures over the next two weeks versus the previous two, that would be swell.

[interstate_45]

Never hit this ball. need to try it. sales are going to go through the roof.

[storm319]

In response to Bridgestone producing Nike balls in the past:

 

Rock Ishii originally started with Bridgestone Tire in 1989 and eventually moved to their sports division (marketed under the Precept brand). He moved to Nike in 1996. Rock was the primary designer of every Nike branded golf ball. Nike outsourced production to Bridgestone (not design). However, it is unclear if Rock's designs required licensing any patents from Bridgestone or other competitors. I believe Nike went elsewhere sometime in 2010 with the first release by the new producer being the 20xi line (RZN material produced by Dupont).

 

Outsourcing production based on internal R&D is extremely common (in this industry, this happens for the majority of major OEM clubheads). Years ago, most golf ball production in the US was outsourced to Bridgestone and Dupont because they were the experts when it came to rubber production (with Acushnet and Spaulding producing their own). Ultimately people tend to give more credit to the producer than the designer when in reality it should be the other way around. Think of it as the producer simply "follows directions" while the designer "creates the directions".

[grm24]

In response to Bridgestone producing Nike balls in the past:

 

Rock Ishii originally started with Bridgestone Tire in 1989 and eventually moved to their sports division (marketed under the Precept brand). He moved to Nike in 1996. Rock was the primary designer of every Nike branded golf ball. Nike outsourced production to Bridgestone (not design). However, it is unclear if Rock's designs required licensing any patents from Bridgestone or other competitors. I believe Nike went elsewhere sometime in 2010 with the first release by the new producer being the 20xi line (RZN material produced by Dupont).

 

Outsourcing production based on internal R&D is extremely common (in this industry, this happens for the majority of major OEM clubheads). Years ago, most golf ball production in the US was outsourced to Bridgestone and Dupont because they were the experts when it came to rubber production (with Acushnet and Spaulding producing their own). Ultimately people tend to give more credit to the producer than the designer when in reality it should be the other way around. Think of it as the producer simply "follows directions" while the designer "creates the directions".

You always have great info. Especially on golf balls. Thanks.

[rangersgoalie]

Take a look at the USGA conforming ball list

 

There are at least 7

330 s. Balls approved

 

In the early 2000s I had basically 3 different Tour Accuracy balls to choose from,

With different spin and launch characteristics. It was really amazing

[stinger_gc]

Why is he wearing a nike shirt if he just started the TGR clothing line.

[Holy Moses]

Why is he wearing a nike shirt if he just started the TGR clothing line.

 

10-15 million reasons why