Taylormade M5 & M6 Woods - Pics added page 46

[mBiden2]

The Taylormade Rep came by the Golf Shop me and a buddy were doing our annual loft/lie distance checks before the season. He had the M5 460, M6 460 and both fairway woods as well. He let me put the M5 head in my gamer shaft and I was impressed. I hadn't warmed up and I only hit it twice but it was nice for sure. I really wanted to try the M5 Tour but he did not have one. None of the #'s stuck out other than neither hit was all that good and it was still performing. The real star was the M5 titanium 3 wood. Both my buddy and I hit that thing stupid good the 3 swings we each got out of it. A lot more testing to be done for sure, but initial looks and feel for me at least, left me wanting more.

 

Yeah, I have heard the star of the show will be the M5 fwys this year.

 

The tensei ck orange in the m5 fairway is only 72g in the x flex and yet the Mrc website show 78 grams. It’s also advertised at “75” vs the Mrc website as “70”. Pure made for shaft in a premium fairway as a stock option is disappointing.

 

I totally agree. I’m kind of confused at why they didn’t offer the PX smoke 80. Maybe they will at no extra cost as a custom option.

[Rig14Port]

My lord you can cut the BS with a knife. I'm surprised he could do this entire video while keeping a straight face.

 

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This guy was for sure Feelin' the Flow... Workin' it

[dcrocketman]

Do the tour stick heads have the plus sign on the hostel?

[WHC888]

watching all the "promo" videos and reading everything on the new driver.......few things...

 

1.) "speed injected"?? I thought TM said that they inject resin to "slow" the face down and make it legal.

 

2.) TM said during some of the video interviews that they make the face exceed the legal limits first, then "individually" test each one to see how much resin to put in in each head to dial it just below the threshold!! I can see that process being done with their tour players but I can't imagine they'd do that for mass produced heads for us average golfers?! Or part of that high price tag covers that process in their manufacturing facility??

[getitdaily]

watching all the "promo" videos and reading everything on the new driver.......few things...

 

1.) "speed injected"?? I thought TM said that they inject resin to "slow" the face down and make it legal.

 

2.) TM said during some of the video interviews that they make the face exceed the legal limits first, then "individually" test each one to see how much resin to put in in each head to dial it just below the threshold!! I can see that process being done with their tour players but I can't imagine they'd do that for mass produced heads for us average golfers?! Or part of that high price tag covers that process in their manufacturing facility??

 

Speed injected is marketing lingo. Don't overanalyze it.

 

If they truly are testing each head then it's part of the final head assembly and QA process. We don't know how much people or machine time it takes to test each head so we have to assume the additional cost is tied to that, at least partially. TM very well could have found an innovation in process where not much additional time.is spent on assembly so they blinded us with science and snookered us with marketing.

 

Price was going to jump anyway...

[chris975d]

watching all the "promo" videos and reading everything on the new driver.......few things...

 

1.) "speed injected"?? I thought TM said that they inject resin to "slow" the face down and make it legal.

 

2.) TM said during some of the video interviews that they make the face exceed the legal limits first, then "individually" test each one to see how much resin to put in in each head to dial it just below the threshold!! I can see that process being done with their tour players but I can't imagine they'd do that for mass produced heads for us average golfers?! Or part of that high price tag covers that process in their manufacturing facility??

 

I do personally think that the increase in retail cost is mainly attributed to the additional hands on steps with the testing/resin. When you see that the amount of resin added from head to head varies, including location (some will have it in both heel and toe, some toe only, some heel only...all determined by the actual testing), all of this almost has to be done by hand. That has to add to the cost of the club.

[Lemonde]

watching all the "promo" videos and reading everything on the new driver.......few things...

 

1.) "speed injected"?? I thought TM said that they inject resin to "slow" the face down and make it legal.

 

2.) TM said during some of the video interviews that they make the face exceed the legal limits first, then "individually" test each one to see how much resin to put in in each head to dial it just below the threshold!! I can see that process being done with their tour players but I can't imagine they'd do that for mass produced heads for us average golfers?! Or part of that high price tag covers that process in their manufacturing facility??

 

As a result of all of this it finally makes some sense to get driver fit. Before I never wanted to chance receiving a dead head . This should illicit some spirited responses lol!

[ignitewvu]

Here's a question no one has asked.

 

My eyes tell me the M5 weights are identicle to M3 Weights??

 

Are they interchangable?

[BirdieBob]

Here's a question no one has asked.

 

My eyes tell me the M5 weights are identicle to M3 Weights??

 

Are they interchangable?

 

 

Yes...I asked and someone said...………….. "YES".

[Xdmike20]

I am curious as to why the M6 looks alot like the new F9 cobra driver with the speedback part on the bottom back of the head :blush2:

[Puttfordough91]

I am curious as to why the M6 looks alot like the new F9 cobra driver with the speedback part on the bottom back of the head :blush2:

Oh boy here we go..

[jokerusn]

I am curious as to why the M6 looks alot like the new F9 cobra driver with the speedback part on the bottom back of the head :blush2:

Oh boy here we go..

 

...again. Been mentioned already many times. The Adams 9015D also had that "speedback part". Not a revolutionary design feature at all.

[ago33]

Let me add more marketing BS for you: I really dislike the look of the sole on the M5 drivers. I thought I'd get used to it, but the lighter color carbon panel doesn't work for me. It looks kind of cheap and out of place on a $550 driver. The only thing I could come up with is TaylorMade wanting the sole of the driver to stand out now that the silver on top is so much smaller. No idea if that's true or not, just idle speculation.

 

But, am I going to bypass the M5 because of the sole aesthetics? No, I'll still get one. The driver from the address position is sexy as hell. Easily the best looking driver I've used and makes my M3 look old and crusty each time I've teed it up in the simulator since I hit the M5 in late November.

Anything on a M6 tour version fairway?

 

There are no plans to sell an M6 tour version fairway. If that exists in any form, we weren't told about it. The M6 does have a slightly taller face than did the M4 fairway, however.

 

From a size perspective, this is something interesting that I haven't seen mentioned. The M5 fairway is larger than the M3 fairway. If I recall correctly, the M5 fairway is ~165cc, whereas the M3 was ~140cc. The M6 is a little larger at ~185cc. The M6 was called the Jason Day fairway during the keynote, as he had a lot of input and the goal was to finally make him a fairway wood that he felt comfortable with.

 

Finally, there is no 3HL any more (I believe I've seen this mentioned). The reason given is that the M5 and M6 both launch higher than past models, so there is no need for a HL version.

Thanks happy about the M5 CC size then. M3 was too small for my liking.

 

Exactly. It was way too small. It was the best performing 3 wood when hit square but after a few beers it’s a scary club.

[jokerusn]

Let me add more marketing BS for you: I really dislike the look of the sole on the M5 drivers. I thought I'd get used to it, but the lighter color carbon panel doesn't work for me. It looks kind of cheap and out of place on a $550 driver. The only thing I could come up with is TaylorMade wanting the sole of the driver to stand out now that the silver on top is so much smaller. No idea if that's true or not, just idle speculation.

 

But, am I going to bypass the M5 because of the sole aesthetics? No, I'll still get one. The driver from the address position is sexy as hell. Easily the best looking driver I've used and makes my M3 look old and crusty each time I've teed it up in the simulator since I hit the M5 in late November.

Anything on a M6 tour version fairway?

 

There are no plans to sell an M6 tour version fairway. If that exists in any form, we weren't told about it. The M6 does have a slightly taller face than did the M4 fairway, however.

 

From a size perspective, this is something interesting that I haven't seen mentioned. The M5 fairway is larger than the M3 fairway. If I recall correctly, the M5 fairway is ~165cc, whereas the M3 was ~140cc. The M6 is a little larger at ~185cc. The M6 was called the Jason Day fairway during the keynote, as he had a lot of input and the goal was to finally make him a fairway wood that he felt comfortable with.

 

Finally, there is no 3HL any more (I believe I've seen this mentioned). The reason given is that the M5 and M6 both launch higher than past models, so there is no need for a HL version.

Thanks happy about the M5 CC size then. M3 was too small for my liking.

 

Exactly. It was way too small. It was the best performing 3 wood when hit square but after a few beers it's a scary club.

 

This exactly.

[3woodvt]

Rick Shiels you tube review was deflating.

[ctfuzz21]

I am curious as to why the M6 looks alot like the new F9 cobra driver with the speedback part on the bottom back of the head :blush2:

 

Much like the Nike Vapor Flex from a few years go, as well...not a new concept and seemingly not proprietary either

[nfmoto]

 

 

Lol. But they have someone on here claiming 10 mph now and 1.55 smash. I'm flabbergasted that nobody else saw that post.

 

Trackman is probably under-reporting clubhead speed. Common issue.

 

Is this true ? I thought it over reported it ?

 

Depends on a lot of factors. COG, materials, strike location. High on face toward the toe will absolutely under-report (which seems to be his tendency).

 

if that is the case it is really off, and he swing in the 120 range. i doubt that it is that far off. and yes, it typically over reports club head speed to ball speed. See Tiger wood's 129 club head speed record last year as an example.

 

You get the fluctuation on tour because they tee the ball up all over the place and it is not centered in Trackman's window, additionally tiger hits driver more low and toward the heel. It doesn't "typically" do anything. It is 100% dependent on setup, strike, COG of the club, ROC, ect, and even then trackman isn't great at reading CHS. The ballspeed is all that matters here.

 

I don't own a single Taylormade club FWIW.

[DFDLT]

I don’t get how people are so underwhelmed. Center hits are maxed out. Companies are now trying to improve off center hits. Clubs are at or near the legal limit. I don’t see why people think every year these clubs are going to blow away the previous generation. I am just getting back into golf after quite a few years so any new clubs will completely destroy my old ones. If you are gaming an M3 or M4 then that won’t be the case. If I didn’t need different shafts then I would just buy last years models at a discount. Since I need different shafts I will just order the M6 direct from Taylormade with a shaft they offer for the same price or a minor upcharge for say the Evenflow white.

[geno4952]

1.55 smash ? Lol kingdom monitor on peds ?

Interesting for sure. I had a 1.56 factor at Callaway in Carlsbad almost 20 yrs ago which was the highest number they had seen at that time. Rare for sure. The highest I have ever had and I have been tested in two run at Callaway, one at Cleveland in Huntington Beach, three times at TM Kingdom in Carlsbad and twice at TM Kingdom at Reynolds Plantation GA.

 

So if the max smash factor is 1.50 then all the ones over 1.50 really don't mean anything because it is the machine being out of adjustment or just "mechanically confused"........is that correct or is it me that is confused....(a definite possibility) LOL!!!

 

Edit: God it was so much easier to go into a pro shop and pick out the persimmon driver you liked the look of best and call it a day........

[nfmoto]

1.55 smash ? Lol kingdom monitor on peds ?

Interesting for sure. I had a 1.56 factor at Callaway in Carlsbad almost 20 yrs ago which was the highest number they had seen at that time. Rare for sure. The highest I have ever had and I have been tested in two run at Callaway, one at Cleveland in Huntington Beach, three times at TM Kingdom in Carlsbad and twice at TM Kingdom at Reynolds Plantation GA.

 

So if the max smash factor is 1.50 then all the ones over 1.50 really don't mean anything because it is the machine being out of adjustment or just "mechanically confused"........is that correct or is it me that is confused....(a definite possibility) LOL!!!

 

Edit: God it was so much easier to go into a pro shop and pick out the persimmon driver you liked the look of best and call it a day........

 

That's correct. The other possibility is that the club is illegal, which isn't likely.

[jll62]

1.55 smash ? Lol kingdom monitor on peds ?

Interesting for sure. I had a 1.56 factor at Callaway in Carlsbad almost 20 yrs ago which was the highest number they had seen at that time. Rare for sure. The highest I have ever had and I have been tested in two run at Callaway, one at Cleveland in Huntington Beach, three times at TM Kingdom in Carlsbad and twice at TM Kingdom at Reynolds Plantation GA.

 

So if the max smash factor is 1.50 then all the ones over 1.50 really don't mean anything because it is the machine being out of adjustment or just "mechanically confused"........is that correct or is it me that is confused....(a definite possibility) LOL!!!

 

Edit: God it was so much easier to go into a pro shop and pick out the persimmon driver you liked the look of best and call it a day........

 

That's correct. The other possibility is that the club is illegal, which isn't likely.

 

As has been mentioned in this thread, TrackMan will sometimes under report swing speed and that can lead to high smash factors. I've yet to have a top notch fitter worry about smash factor or swing speed during a TrackMan driver fitting. It is literally never mentioned. All they focus on with me are ball speed, launch angle, spin, and whatever the ball is doing down range during flight. It's all about the ball.

 

The bottom line with the shot in question is that you either trust the ball speed number off the TrackMan, or you're implying TaylorMade somehow juiced the TrackMan to over report ball speed and make the club look good. There is really no in between. If the TrackMan was juiced somehow, I would have seen higher ball speed numbers during my fitting, but I did not.

 

Having been there and watched this particular shot, seeing its flight and where it landed in comparison to the earlier shots in his fitting (and having played golf with this individual for 15+ years), I believe the ball speed number 100%.

[larciel]

Time to avoid tmag. $550??? $399 for fwy??

 

Cobra and TourEdge needs to step up NOW.

 

Callaway has followed the Tmag down the drain by releasing Epic Fail @ $550

 

I thought Titelist was the greedy guys.

[bladehunter]

I don't get how people are so underwhelmed. Center hits are maxed out. Companies are now trying to improve off center hits. Clubs are at or near the legal limit. I don't see why people think every year these clubs are going to blow away the previous generation. I am just getting back into golf after quite a few years so any new clubs will completely destroy my old ones. If you are gaming an M3 or M4 then that won't be the case. If I didn't need different shafts then I would just buy last years models at a discount. Since I need different shafts I will just order the M6 direct from Taylormade with a shaft they offer for the same price or a minor upcharge for say the Evenflow white.

 

 

you dont see why ?? wth/ " everyone gets faster " or whatever the tag line is for 30 something sleeps now ..Lets dont act as if seeing gains are unreal expectations per the marketing promises...

[bladehunter]

1.55 smash ? Lol kingdom monitor on peds ?

Interesting for sure. I had a 1.56 factor at Callaway in Carlsbad almost 20 yrs ago which was the highest number they had seen at that time. Rare for sure. The highest I have ever had and I have been tested in two run at Callaway, one at Cleveland in Huntington Beach, three times at TM Kingdom in Carlsbad and twice at TM Kingdom at Reynolds Plantation GA.

 

So if the max smash factor is 1.50 then all the ones over 1.50 really don't mean anything because it is the machine being out of adjustment or just "mechanically confused"........is that correct or is it me that is confused....(a definite possibility) LOL!!!

 

Edit: God it was so much easier to go into a pro shop and pick out the persimmon driver you liked the look of best and call it a day........

 

That's correct. The other possibility is that the club is illegal, which isn't likely.

 

As has been mentioned in this thread, TrackMan will sometimes under report swing speed and that can lead to high smash factors. I've yet to have a top notch fitter worry about smash factor or swing speed during a TrackMan driver fitting. It is literally never mentioned. All they focus on with me are ball speed, launch angle, spin, and whatever the ball is doing down range during flight. It's all about the ball.

 

The bottom line with the shot in question is that you either trust the ball speed number off the TrackMan, or you're implying TaylorMade somehow juiced the TrackMan to over report ball speed and make the club look good. There is really no in between. If the TrackMan was juiced somehow, I would have seen higher ball speed numbers during my fitting, but I did not.

 

Having been there and watched this particular shot, seeing its flight and where it landed in comparison to the earlier shots in his fitting (and having played golf with this individual for 15+ years), I believe the ball speed number 100%.

 

 

I never said i doubted the ball speed . I just doubt it IF the clubhead speed is correct... id say hes swinging 118 or better or maybe 115 and a dead perfect strike

[scott_Donald]

I didn't watch the golf live last night, but saw the PGA Tour instagram clip of McIlroy smashing it but to me that seems his normal ball flight, ball speed from last year.

 

1 sample size so hard to judge but.......

 

I love my M3 so not looking to change myself this year.

[bladehunter]

hit some tp5x ( current model ) on trackman this morning .. I did see 2 mph average over 18 v1x...BUT i didnt see a gain over chrome soft X or either bridgestone ball. It kind of backs up what ive been saying for a year .. the 18 v1x is a really really bad golf ball ... I saw it on course at a club short and really short on driver .. I wonder how many pro players actually use it ? Im betting very few ... Most likely using several of the custom iterations or the older v1x that is loved.

 

 

edit - ill also add that was hitting inside to outside net as its pouring rain here ... Id still lile to see the real flight and distances , roll etc .. and plan to test it and the new balls when they come out

[sbjinx]

I don't get how people are so underwhelmed. Center hits are maxed out. Companies are now trying to improve off center hits. Clubs are at or near the legal limit. I don't see why people think every year these clubs are going to blow away the previous generation. I am just getting back into golf after quite a few years so any new clubs will completely destroy my old ones. If you are gaming an M3 or M4 then that won't be the case. If I didn't need different shafts then I would just buy last years models at a discount. Since I need different shafts I will just order the M6 direct from Taylormade with a shaft they offer for the same price or a minor upcharge for say the Evenflow white.

 

 

you dont see why ?? wth/ " everyone gets faster " or whatever the tag line is for 30 something sleeps now ..Lets dont act as if seeing gains are unreal expectations per the marketing promises...

 

With all the hush hush, resin injection, etc if the new drivers didn’t add 10+ mph in ball speed and 20 yards on off center hits it was going to get flamed by the community.

[SwingBlues]

Looks like there's a hidden Jailbreak Tech just in the M5??

 

 

 

Nice find...

 

Don't recall the M3 having a jailbreak like support system and it's a similar track to the M5 abliet, yeah, it's Y vs T track. I guess the WRX guy who use to do the X-Ray driver heads may want to take a few pictures to confirm.

 

Wonder what Callaway will say about that...

[dcmidnight]

Rick Shiels you tube review was deflating.

 

Really?

 

I thought he did himself a disservice. It was like he was so obsessed with measuring ballspeed - he completely ignored the other numbers.

 

If I saw correctly - his ballspeed was about the same as a bunch of other clubs. OK, boo hoo, everyone didnt get faster. But then he breezed through the final chart which showed that the M5 launched higher with way lower spin than his "ideal range". His carry distance was 5 yards high than the high end of that range and the total distance was 8 yards farther.

 

edit - screenshot added

 

 

 

Would have really expected him to highlight - AND BE EXCITED BY - those results. But instead he seemed so sad at the end of the video talking about, awhhh what a downside it was that he didn't see more ballspeed. He also said on offcenter hits he still missed fairways? No kidding. A couple shots of the drivers showed tee marks all over the place.

 

Personally I'd have to go back and try hard to find drivers that gave him these numbers.

 

FWIW the sound of the M5 compared to the M3 is what stood out to me.

[chris975d]

Looks like there's a hidden Jailbreak Tech just in the M5??

 

 

 

Nice find...

 

Don't recall the M3 having a jailbreak like support system and it's a similar track to the M5 abliet, yeah, it's Y vs T track. I guess the WRX guy who use to do the X-Ray driver heads may want to take a few pictures to confirm.

 

Wonder what Callaway will say about that...

 

It looks like that's in a place that would be supporting the carbon crown. I doubt that would be working like Jailbreak does, as I'd doubt that anchoring the carbon crown to the sole would prevent or limit overall deformation at impact like Jailbreak does, since the Jailbreak rods in Callaway are in the titanium (stronger area) portion of the club.